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Being tolerant does not mean liking or believing in other religions, but it means respecting them and not openly disgrace or attack them. I dont attack Christians or Christianity at all, I simply stated my opinion. before loling at others, try and open your mind a little more.GazaAli
Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.
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#52 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Being tolerant does not mean liking or believing in other religions, but it means respecting them and not openly disgrace or attack them. I dont attack Christians or Christianity at all, I simply stated my opinion. before loling at others, try and open your mind a little more.clayron
Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.

dont take things out of context. I'm free to dislike any religion I want, as long as I dont disgrace it or attack it specifically. Religious tolerance does not mean agreeing or liking other religions.
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Oh, I agree. Whenever I hear a Christian pray to Jesus, it sort of grinds on my nerves too.

That a thing I despise as well. Christians shouldn't pray to Jesus. However, I will explain 2 reasons, albeit briefly, why many do. 1. Jesus is the supposed son of God, or God in the flesh rather. If this is in fact the case praying to Jesus is akin to praying to the God above. If God views himself and Jesus as one and the same then there is no issue. If he doesn't, then he is going to be maaaad. 2. Jesus is the supposed son of God. If this is in fact the case, you pray to Jesus in hopes that he can, for lack of a better way to describe it, preach your case to God. If the son of God is willing to heed your prayers and bring him to the almighty power then God may look favorable upon your prayers. Its the same reason why many catholics pray to saints.

I understand why some of them do it. I just don't agree with it. Sure it grinds my nerves, but I keep my mouth shut and take it in stride. I would never go around attacking them for it or telling them how wrong I think they are for it.
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I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.GazaAli


I can't say I've met too many Christians who call Mary God's wife, even thought that would seem to be the logical conclusion.

Logic doesn't tend to matter when it comes to religion though. I guess that's what makes it religion in the first place.

I guess it was a lot easier centuries ago for people to claim they had a direct line to God. If anyone does it these days, people say they're either a fraud or that they're crazy.

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#55 clayron
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Being tolerant does not mean liking or believing in other religions, but it means respecting them and not openly disgrace or attack them. I dont attack Christians or Christianity at all, I simply stated my opinion. before loling at others, try and open your mind a little more.GazaAli
Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.

dont take things out of context. I'm free to dislike any religion I want, as long as I dont disgrace it or attack it specifically. Religious tolerance does not mean agreeing or liking other religions.

You're right. I apologize for calling you intolerant.
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Haters gonna hate

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#57 StopThePresses
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Being tolerant does not mean liking or believing in other religions, but it means respecting them and not openly disgrace or attack them. I dont attack Christians or Christianity at all, I simply stated my opinion. before loling at others, try and open your mind a little more.clayron
Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.

How about the KKK version of Christianity?
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God=Every other God that comes after/before him.

I don't believe in any religion, therefore, other religions are not spared my decisive glance.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.StopThePresses



I can't say I've met too many Christians who call Mary God's wife, even thought that would seem to be the logical conclusion.

Logic doesn't tend to matter when it comes to religion though. I guess that's what makes it religion in the first place.

I guess it was a lot easier centuries ago for people to claim they had a direct line to God. If anyone does it these days, people say they're either a fraud or that they're crazy.

How is Mary being G-d's wife the logical conclusion? Granted I obviously don't believe the whole son of G-d theory - but if I go out on a limb, I still don't see that as the logical conclusion.

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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Being tolerant does not mean liking or believing in other religions, but it means respecting them and not openly disgrace or attack them. I dont attack Christians or Christianity at all, I simply stated my opinion. before loling at others, try and open your mind a little more.StopThePresses
Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.

How about the KKK version of Christianity?

what is that version about :P
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#61 clayron
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How about the KKK version of Christianity?StopThePresses
KKK version of Christianity?
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#62 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.jalexbrown



I can't say I've met too many Christians who call Mary God's wife, even thought that would seem to be the logical conclusion.

Logic doesn't tend to matter when it comes to religion though. I guess that's what makes it religion in the first place.

I guess it was a lot easier centuries ago for people to claim they had a direct line to God. If anyone does it these days, people say they're either a fraud or that they're crazy.

How is Mary being G-d's wife the logical conclusion? Granted I obviously don't believe the whole son of G-d theory - but if I go out on a limb, I still don't see that as the logical conclusion.

I of course does not believe that Mary is the wife of God. But stoptherecess point is that since we have a father and a son, its only natural to have a wife. This is just the logical explanation of what he meant, nothing more.

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#63 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="clayron"] Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.

dont take things out of context. I'm free to dislike any religion I want, as long as I dont disgrace it or attack it specifically. Religious tolerance does not mean agreeing or liking other religions.

You're right. I apologize for calling you intolerant.

No hard feelings :)
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

I can't say I've met too many Christians who call Mary God's wife, even thought that would seem to be the logical conclusion.

Logic doesn't tend to matter when it comes to religion though. I guess that's what makes it religion in the first place.

I guess it was a lot easier centuries ago for people to claim they had a direct line to God. If anyone does it these days, people say they're either a fraud or that they're crazy.

GazaAli

How is Mary being G-d's wife the logical conclusion? Granted I obviously don't believe the whole son of G-d theory - but if I go out on a limb, I still don't see that as the logical conclusion.

I of course does not believe that Mary is the wife of God. But stoptherecess point is that since we have a father and a son, its only natural to have a wife. This is just the logical explanation of what he meant, nothing more.

The logical thing to me is that G-d can do anything and trying to pigeon-hole Him into our rules is much more illogical.

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#65 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] How is Mary being G-d's wife the logical conclusion? Granted I obviously don't believe the whole son of G-d theory - but if I go out on a limb, I still don't see that as the logical conclusion.

jalexbrown

I of course does not believe that Mary is the wife of God. But stoptherecess point is that since we have a father and a son, its only natural to have a wife. This is just the logical explanation of what he meant, nothing more.

The logical thing to me is that G-d can do anything and trying to pigeon-hole Him into our rules is much more illogical.

The more logical thing to me is that God in the first place does not apply to out rules and nature, so having a son is illogical. But since Christians already gave God the notion of fatherhood and Jesus being his son, might as well give him a wife. Im being Hypothetical here and English is not my first language, so I try to simplify what Im saying.
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I have made it very clear that I dislike all religions. ~Although, I think because Christians are the most common on GS, the most insults will go to them.
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[QUOTE="clayron"] KKK version of Christianity?

The KKK supports WASPS, or White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]How about the KKK version of Christianity?clayron
KKK version of Christianity?

The KKK consider themselves to be a Christian organization. If you want to look into it, Google it. I don't want modded for providing unacceptable links.
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I have made it very clear that I dislike all religions. ~Although, I think because Christians are the most common on GS, the most insults will go to them. optiow
There's a difference between disliking religion and waging war on them like some atheists do. Which one are you?
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"]How about the KKK version of Christianity?StopThePresses
KKK version of Christianity?

The KKK consider themselves to be a Christian organization. If you want to look into it, Google it. I don't want modded for providing unacceptable links.

I do not understand. As a Christian organization I do not see an issue. I may have an issue with the hate spread by the KKK, but not with their religious beliefs. I do not see how they can differ too vastly from my own. But if they wish to preach hate, then that is there business, not mine. It has never affected me in one way or another, and I am sure that, in there opinion, they have valid reasons to believe what they do. You know what I might have to contradict myself. If they are using Christianity to spread hate then I may have an issue. But I think that has less to do with their religious beliefs and more with how they are using religion with a malicious intent.
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="clayron"] Open my mind? You completely dislike a religion and its people because it disagrees with your beliefs. There is not a single religion I look down upon for its beliefs. I would say I am pretty open minded.GazaAli
How about the KKK version of Christianity?

what is that version about :P

Well, if you don't know, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is a white supremacist group. They are similar to Nazis in a lot of ways. There was a time when they had a lot of power and influence, but fortunately today they don't have very large numbers (compared to what they once did) and they don't do much aside from hold their bigoted rallies. They call themselves a Christian group, but they are about as Christian as Al-Qaeda is Muslim.

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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="clayron"] KKK version of Christianity?

The KKK consider themselves to be a Christian organization. If you want to look into it, Google it. I don't want modded for providing unacceptable links.

I do not understand. As a Christian organization I do not see an issue. I may have an issue with the hate spread by the KKK, but not with their religious beliefs. I do not see how they can differ too vastly from my own. But if they wish to preach hate, then that is there business, not mine. It has never affected me in one way or another, and I am sure that, in there opinion, they have valid reasons to believe what they do. You know what I might have to contradict myself. If they are using Christianity to spread hate then I may have an issue. But I think that has less to do with their religious beliefs and more with how they are using religion with a malicious intent.

Basically that's just it: the KKK uses religion to make their opinions seem more...righteous, I guess.
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Basically that's just it: the KKK uses religion to make their opinions seem more...righteous, I guess.jalexbrown
Well then it would seem I would have an issue with how they use religion and less with the actual religion. But then again, if a religion preached hate I do not think I would judge unless people took it to an extreme and began getting violent. At that point I may, possibly, turn my nose up at that religion and its teachings.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] The KKK consider themselves to be a Christian organization. If you want to look into it, Google it. I don't want modded for providing unacceptable links.

I do not understand. As a Christian organization I do not see an issue. I may have an issue with the hate spread by the KKK, but not with their religious beliefs. I do not see how they can differ too vastly from my own. But if they wish to preach hate, then that is there business, not mine. It has never affected me in one way or another, and I am sure that, in there opinion, they have valid reasons to believe what they do. You know what I might have to contradict myself. If they are using Christianity to spread hate then I may have an issue. But I think that has less to do with their religious beliefs and more with how they are using religion with a malicious intent.

Basically that's just it: the KKK uses religion to make their opinions seem more...righteous, I guess.

They bend religion to their own interpretation like everyone else. It's just that their interpretation is far more ****ed up than most.
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] How about the KKK version of Christianity?

what is that version about :P

Well, if you don't know, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is a white supremacist group. They are similar to Nazis in a lot of ways. Once upon they had a lot of power and influence, but fortunately today they don't have very large numbers (compared to what they once did) and they don't do much aside from hold their bigoted rallies. They call themselves a Christian group, but they are about as Christian as Al-Qaeda is Muslim.

thanks for the info.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] what is that version about :P

Well, if you don't know, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is a white supremacist group. They are similar to Nazis in a lot of ways. Once upon they had a lot of power and influence, but fortunately today they don't have very large numbers (compared to what they once did) and they don't do much aside from hold their bigoted rallies. They call themselves a Christian group, but they are about as Christian as Al-Qaeda is Muslim.

thanks for the info.

Usually that phrase is used sarcastically around here, so I'm not sure what to make of it. :P I don't know how familiar you are with U.S. history. *shrug*
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] There's a difference between disliking religion and waging war on them like some atheists do. Which one are you?

I dislike and argue with them, but I would never fire bomb them or anything if that is what you mean.
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="clayron"] I do not understand. As a Christian organization I do not see an issue. I may have an issue with the hate spread by the KKK, but not with their religious beliefs. I do not see how they can differ too vastly from my own. But if they wish to preach hate, then that is there business, not mine. It has never affected me in one way or another, and I am sure that, in there opinion, they have valid reasons to believe what they do. You know what I might have to contradict myself. If they are using Christianity to spread hate then I may have an issue. But I think that has less to do with their religious beliefs and more with how they are using religion with a malicious intent.

Basically that's just it: the KKK uses religion to make their opinions seem more...righteous, I guess.

They bend religion to their own interpretation like everyone else. It's just that their interpretation is far more ****ed up than most.

I'm not sure what to make of this statement. Most Jews that I know follow schools of interpretation that have been around for at least 1,500 years. They're not rushing out to twist it up how they want it.
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[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] There's a difference between disliking religion and waging war on them like some atheists do. Which one are you?

I dislike and argue with them, but I would never fire bomb them or anything if that is what you mean.

You dislike the people or just their beliefs?
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#80 optiow
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] You dislike the people or just their beliefs?

Their beliefs. Although people can be annoying also (as some humans just are).
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Christianity is the largest western religion, generally seen as the most legitimate, and often tied to conservatism in America. Being the largest it draws the most attention and considering the liberal lean of most universities it draws the most attacks. Islam, Buddhism, and other religions are treated, imo, as other cultures instead of religions and are thus treated differently than Christianity. There are probably countless other factors that contribute to the attacks that christianity draws to itself, though, I know that almost every atheist book I have read attack christianity exclusively, this is probably due to the fact that it has the strongest philosophical foundation due to many western philosophers throughout history being christian.

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[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] You dislike the people or just their beliefs?

Their beliefs. Although people can be annoying also (as some humans just are).

Okay, that's certainly fair enough.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Okay, that's certainly fair enough.

I am glad you think so. Although many say I am mean in real life because I do not go to Church.
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[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Okay, that's certainly fair enough.

I am glad you think so. Although many say I am mean in real life because I do not go to Church.

Going to church does not make someone a nice person. A nice person is a nice person regardless of religious beliefs or practices.
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#85 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Okay, that's certainly fair enough.

I am glad you think so. Although many say I am mean in real life because I do not go to Church.

People say you're mean for not going to church? Not only do I not see how that makes you mean, but I also applaud you for living the life that you believe in.
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[QUOTE="clayron"] Going to church does not make someone a nice person. A nice person is a nice person regardless of religious beliefs or practices.

Unfortunately I am quite a mean person in real life, I can not deny that - but people blame it on my lack of religious beliefs. [QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] People say you're mean for not going to church? Not only do I not see how that makes you mean, but I also applaud you for living the life that you believe in.

Yes, they actually do. I get quite annoyed at it, which actually contributes to why I argue against religion a lot on GS.
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#87 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="optiow"] Yes, they actually do. I get quite annoyed at it, which actually contributes to why I argue against religion a lot on GS.

I'd say that you have a pretty good reason to be pissed off at people that would make such an assertion. I personally have religious beliefs, but I never judge another person's worth or kindness on how much they agree with them.
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#88 optiow
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] I'd say that you have a pretty good reason to be pissed off at people that would make such an assertion. I personally have religious beliefs, but I never judge another person's worth or kindness on how much they agree with them.

That is good of you, I applaud that thought. Are you Christian? (curious)
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Specifically on the Buddhism example, Buddhism isn't necessarily a 'supernatural' religion, rather it's a series of guidelines laid down by a historical figure who (probably) existed. Of course, some interpretations of Buddhism do lean on the supernatural, but innately it does not require these elements. Contrast that with Christianity, there is no doctrine that Jesus was simply a man whose moral guidelines are a good idea to follow. Alongside must be accepted his divinity, his miracles and his resurrection, which is why academics may mock Christianity in a way they won't Buddhism.
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#90 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] I'd say that you have a pretty good reason to be pissed off at people that would make such an assertion. I personally have religious beliefs, but I never judge another person's worth or kindness on how much they agree with them.

That is good of you, I applaud that thought. Are you Christian? (curious)

No, I'm not at all Christian. I'm kind of Jewish, but I don't really directly associate myself with the religion. I share very similar beliefs, but I'm not actually a member of the religion if that makes any sense. (Probably not. :P)
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#91 Cataclism
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="hydralisk86"] The God of Islam may be similar to the Christian or Jewish God, but there are differences. Msulims don't believe Jesus died for mankind's sins, but Christians believe he did.hydralisk86
I am talking about the actual God not the prophets associated with the various religions. All of the religion pray to the same God.

Don't quote me on this, but isn't it true that Islam's God was said to be good and evil, while the Christian god was only Holy? There are differences.

No. The Bible itself says that God is both good and evil. Not really sure in which book but I'm willing to bet it's the old testament.

EDIT: Found it.

Isaiah 45: 7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

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#92 Kle0
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I belive it's because they are educated about God and go to Church since they were joung, and thus learning anything about a different type of religion would be interesting to them... This year at school they taught us about other religions in the world, and I was personally amused by Hinduistic ideas and beliefs.. So i'ts about interest in sth new, if you ask me
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#93 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Well, if you don't know, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is a white supremacist group. They are similar to Nazis in a lot of ways. Once upon they had a lot of power and influence, but fortunately today they don't have very large numbers (compared to what they once did) and they don't do much aside from hold their bigoted rallies. They call themselves a Christian group, but they are about as Christian as Al-Qaeda is Muslim.

thanks for the info.

Usually that phrase is used sarcastically around here, so I'm not sure what to make of it. :P I don't know how familiar you are with U.S. history. *shrug*

oh you :), I really mean it, you clarified something I did not know, which means now I know something new, which is dam cool. And Im not really familiar with US history.
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#94 foxhound_fox
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Aside from the leaning towards gnostic-atheistic anarchism, I've only ever noticed tolerance from secular universities. People who are more educated are more willing to be tolerant. What you are probably seeing is just the overly vocal minority.