I just realised why there are no wars on American soil...

Also iam sure China wouldnt mind giving it a Go

u dont have to control the hole region look a japan in WW2 invading china they just controlled the most best parts the major port cities of China and the captial

Norg

If you really think about it:

China invades the East Coast... Washington, D.C., New York City, Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston. Then, move on over to the West Coast, through the Pacific. Take Hawai'i, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Diego, Sacramento. With these staple cities either captured or in ruins, the majority of the USA would fall. Structurally, economically, industrially, morally, and in population. In California alone, 36 million people would be gone. New York? 20 million. Each of these main cities are the powerhouses oftheir states. Is itpossible? In myopinion, it isn't out of thequestion. Eventhe most sophisticated dam can only handle somuch water before it breaks. China has over 1 billion citizens. We have just over 600 million. I think its altogether possible, if not likely, considering our tumultuous times. Consideringthe USA's arrogance, and China having some allies, maybe even from western Europe. I think it all depends on how well foreign policy is handled in the next decade.

TirOrn

You're treating it like our military is just going to stand there and hand over the states. No one would dare mount an invasion of america with our military as strong as it is.

Two words: Epic fail.

[QUOTE="lol_haha_dead"]

I've always wondered why there were never any wars on American soil besides the Civil War. Yes, you can count the bombing of Hawaii but, the Japanese did it by air. They didn't have the balls to come and fight us on the ground. So any ways, the reason why people don't step on our soil is because America has the 2nd Amendment, which is the right to bear arms. The United States citizens could kill any foreign soildier that tries to terrorize our streets. See, the citizens in Iraq can barely do anything to protect themselves because their country would NEVER let them bear arms. NEVER. So, that's why America is indestructible. Who can beat a country where millions of it's citizens have their own weapons? Just imagine American soldiers in the streets of New Orleans killing Iraqi soldiers while American Citizens with their shotguns are also killing Iraqi soldiers that try to threaten them.

Any other countries in the world that allows their citizens to bear arms? I'm not sure?

mrbojangles25

actually, every household in Iraq has an armed family member, usually with an assault rifle. In fact, US and allied soldiers have to make special allowences when inspecting houses.

One AK47...thats ok. A cache of weapons...not OK.

As for your post on the whole, there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of nations that allow their citizens to have weapons.

Switzerland is the perfect example of what you think the US is: why do you think they have been left alone and neutral for so long? Because any army that invades would be facing the most well-trained and well-armed militia in Europe. I forgot the numbers exactly, but when you graduate high school you can either go to college, or go in the army...and neary every household has an assault rifle is it. Not to mention military-type training.

But no...I dont think anyone has not invaded the US because theyre scared of its citizens. I think people havent invaded because our army is insanely good, and leagues ahead of anyone else's. A buddy of mine just got back from wargames in Europe and he said that while the German army was well-trained, they just did not stand a chance.

I was just in Switzerland. 100% of their population goes through boot camp. Every single one. 3 weeks, yes, but every single one. After that, they rotate every few years or so, and stay active until they are in their 40's. Ranking members until they are in their 50's. Switzerland's citizens are constantly asked by their government if they want to maintain the militia, and they have always answered "yes" in their political referendums. Full pay and benefits is obviously also provided for the time the person is in the military.Also, Switzerland is THE most democratic country in the world. Seems fitting.

[QUOTE="TirOrn"]

If you really think about it:

China invades the East Coast... Washington, D.C., New York City, Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston. Then, move on over to the West Coast, through the Pacific. Take Hawai'i, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Diego, Sacramento. With these staple cities either captured or in ruins, the majority of the USA would fall. Structurally, economically, industrially, morally, and in population. In California alone, 36 million people would be gone. New York? 20 million. Each of these main cities are the powerhouses oftheir states. Is itpossible? In myopinion, it isn't out of thequestion. Eventhe most sophisticated dam can only handle somuch water before it breaks. China has over 1 billion citizens. We have just over 600 million. I think its altogether possible, if not likely, considering our tumultuous times. Consideringthe USA's arrogance, and China having some allies, maybe even from western Europe. I think it all depends on how well foreign policy is handled in the next decade.

phillo99

You're treating it like our military is just going to stand there and hand over the states. No one would dare mount an invasion of america with our military as strong as it is.

Two words: Epic fail.

For all the patriotism in the world, the US couldn't save D.C. in 1814. Granted, we were a new nation, but patriotism was at an all time high. Granted also, military tech was not as high as today. However, the times are the times. Britain didn't exactly have weapons of mass destruction either.

For all the patriotism in the world, the US couldn't save D.C. in 1814. Granted, we were a new nation, but patriotism was at an all time high. Granted also, military tech was not as high as today. However, the times are the times. Britain didn't exactly have weapons of mass destruction either.

TirOrn

Why are you bringing up the war of 1812? Totally irrelevant.

No war is irrelevant. The war of 1812 demonstrates that no matter how infallible a nation may presume to be, it can still be damaged/destroyed. The patriotism during the months preceding the burning of Washington is unmatched in history, and look what happened then. Look at how patriotic some are now. It seems the false sense ofinfallibility is the predecessor to fallibility.

Ya exactly, US didn't really become a national power until WWII, though u could argue Spanish american war.

No war is irrelevant. The war of 1812 demonstrates that no matter how infallible a nation may presume to be, it can still be damaged/destroyed. The patriotism during the months preceding the burning of Washington is unmatched in history, and look what happened then. Look at how patriotic some are now. It seems the false sense ofinfallibility is the predecessor to fallibility.

TirOrn

Yes. It is irrelevant. You really think it will be a cakewalk for the chinese to take over america? Really? And that some western European nations will join in? I could just say that to conquer europe, all I have to do is take London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, and BAM! I conquered Europe. It's totally possible, right?

Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that we have the strongest military in the world.

[QUOTE="TirOrn"]

No war is irrelevant. The war of 1812 demonstrates that no matter how infallible a nation may presume to be, it can still be damaged/destroyed. The patriotism during the months preceding the burning of Washington is unmatched in history, and look what happened then. Look at how patriotic some are now. It seems the false sense ofinfallibility is the predecessor to fallibility.

phillo99

Yes. It is irrelevant. You really think it will be a cakewalk for the chinese to take over america? Really? And that some western European nations will join in? I could just say that to conquer europe, all I have to do is take London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, and BAM! I conquered Europe. It's totally possible, right?

Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that we have the strongest military in the world.

Individual nations? Yes. Europe is not an entity comprised of one nation. There are many, as you know. However, in the relatively recent past:

Adolf Hitler - Battle of Britain, London; If the Luftwaffe would have succeeded that night, in all likeliness, Britain would have fallen.
Adolf Hitler - Paris, France; France fell at the capture of Paris.
The Allies - Berlin, Germany; By taking Berlin, they officially destroyed any power that Germany held over its citizens to motivate a battle force.
Adolf Hitler - Moscow, Russia; During the Red Winter, thousands of German troops died to take Moscow. Had they succeeded, Hitler knew that they would have succeeded in destroying the Eastern Front.

Patriotism has everything to do with us having the strongest military in the world. Without pride in one's army/navy/air force, it won't exist. The reason behing innovation is to keep that which we love the most safe. It's when we think that we are indestructible that we will ultimately fail. The USA succeeds best when it is humble and modest.

Wars fought on american soul: Revolutionary War, Mexican-American War, War of 1812, Civil War and WW2

During the WW2 the Japanese did invade Alaska, but a top general was asked after the war why they didn't invade the Western U.S., after our Pacific fleet was shattered, and he stated the same reason you are stating, every American had a gun. The Japanese also never predicted we would band together as quickly as we did. They thought we were a mismatch of different cultures that wouldn't get it together to come out fighting before they secured the Pacific

^ Yes it's because we have very good defences. Besides, nobody has the BALLS to invade us. They would get owned.

Jfisch93

Because there's no place to launch and attack from effectively. In WW2 the americans used those islands in the pacific and used england for europe, both very close to where they were intending to invade. There is no place you can do that to america from unless you were working with the mexicans or canadians, and it is highly unlikely they would turn their back to america. Basically attacking america while your forces can't be stationed nearby is suicide. Imagine if england didn't exist, I'd wager the majority of american casualties would have been from ships sunk by uboats.

Because there's no place to launch and attack from effectively. In WW2 the americans used those islands in the pacific and used england for europe, both very close to where they were intending to invade. There is no place you can do that to america from unless you were working with the mexicans or canadians, and it is highly unlikely they would turn their back to america. Basically attacking america while your forces can't be stationed nearby is suicide. Imagine if england didn't exist, I'd wager the majority of american casualties would have been from ships sunk by uboats.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Because there's no place to launch and attack from effectively. In WW2 the americans used those islands in the pacific and used england for europe, both very close to where they were intending to invade. There is no place you can do that to america from unless you were working with the mexicans or canadians, and it is highly unlikely they would turn their back to america. Basically attacking america while your forces can't be stationed nearby is suicide. Imagine if england didn't exist, I'd wager the majority of american casualties would have been from ships sunk by uboats.

fillini

I was going to mention cuba, but did you see what already happened when russia tried to setup shop there? Even still operating out of such a small country would be a huge risk as well, american bombers from the mainland would probably eat you alive, along with the US navy. Chances of you even making it to shore coming from cuba are slim IMO of course. (Talking in terms of present day)

I was going to mention cuba, but did you see what already happened when russia tried to setup shop there? Even still operating out of such a small country would be a huge risk as well, american bombers from the mainland would probably eat you alive, along with the US navy. Chances of you even making it to shore coming from cuba are slim IMO of course. (Talking in terms of present day)

Espada12

Never say, never;)

I think it's pretty much a geographical thing, not having to do with the 2nd ammendment. Also, I do not believe that anyone has ever invaded a nuclear power.Engrish_Major

Once again I feel the need to remind people of what happened at Horishima....

The U.S. is the largest armed camp in the world. It's not our military an invader should fear, it's Joe, Bubba and Poppa.

br0kenrabbit

If i was trying to invade America i would just bomb the hell out of every town that thought they could fight, simple shock and awe. After the first 500 towns are wiped off the map without even setting eyes on the enemy, the others will soon lose the will to "Bare Arms"

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I think it's pretty much a geographical thing, not having to do with the 2nd ammendment. Also, I do not believe that anyone has ever invaded a nuclear power.LostProphetFLCL

Once again I feel the need to remind people of what happened at Horishima....

If i was trying to invade America i would just bomb the hell out of every town that thought they could fight, simple shock and awe. After the first 500 towns are wiped off the map without even setting eyes on the enemy, the others will soon lose the will to "Bare Arms"

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I think it's pretty much a geographical thing, not having to do with the 2nd ammendment. Also, I do not believe that anyone has ever invaded a nuclear power.fillini

Once again I feel the need to remind people of what happened at Horishima....

The point is we were attacked while having nuclear capability.....

Whatever happened to the Spanish American War? Did people just forget about that?Vandalvideo

What about the American revolutionary war? Silent-Hal

The point is we were attacked while having nuclear capability.....

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

If i was trying to invade America i would just bomb the hell out of every town that thought they could fight, simple shock and awe. After the first 500 towns are wiped off the map without even setting eyes on the enemy, the others will soon lose the will to "Bare Arms"

fillini

Any country planning on invading the USA would have one hell of an arsonal. And i'd assume that the US military would be in ruins by that stage. Also, 500 nukes would be enough to wipe the USA off the map and then some.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Whatever happened to the Spanish American War? Did people just forget about that?MattUD1

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

The point is we were attacked while having nuclear capability.....

Engrish_Major

OK are people serious here?

The bombing of Hiroshima

"The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively."

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

The point is we were attacked while having nuclear capability.....

OK are people serious here?

The bombing of Hiroshima

"The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively."

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]No we weren't. We didn't have nuclear capability when they attacked us.Engrish_Major

OK are people serious here?

The bombing of Hiroshima

"The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively."

Ahh yeah I am not thinking clearly. Yeah we didn't have the technology developed when they initially attacked so yeah......

there is a dude down the street with a Sherman Tank with 7 rounds. i am not sure how he got it but i dont think invaders would expect a random civilian to have a tank.ferret-gamer

That is awesome:lol:

Sounds like a great defense plan too. Give random civialians tanks:lol:

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]there is a dude down the street with a Sherman Tank with 7 rounds. i am not sure how he got it but i dont think invaders would expect a random civilian to have a tank.LostProphetFLCL

That is awesome:lol:

Sounds like a great defense plan too. Give random civialians tanks:lol:

there is a dude down the street with a Sherman Tank with 7 rounds. i am not sure how he got it but i dont think invaders would expect a random civilian to have a tank.ferret-gamer

And you have never asked yourself is that normal. I mean what if this guy gets nuts or something and start a rampage. no offence to anyone but I don't think that is normal. No civilian should have arms.

I own 9 guns. I challenge any one person or grouphere to try and take my house.

It would be like a small scale reenactment of D-Day, only there aren't 6 billion people to storm the yard, there's about 20 of you and I have over 400 rounds of ammunition.

-TheSecondSign-

Hmmm...burn the house down maybe??

Never say, never;)

mamkem6

Why, are you planning something :?

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]there is a dude down the street with a Sherman Tank with 7 rounds. i am not sure how he got it but i dont think invaders would expect a random civilian to have a tank.Engrish_Major

That is awesome:lol:

Sounds like a great defense plan too. Give random civialians tanks:lol:

Seriously, just imagine if they had tanks strategically placed in suburbs under the ownership of someone qualified? God no enemy would EVER see that coming:lol:

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Whatever happened to the Spanish American War? Did people just forget about that?Vandalvideo

Now i wonder did we still "own" guam and the philipines when the japanese invaded then the would be more evidence the Japan invading US soil during WW2

In "Independence Day" we fought off those aliens. Technically it took place in american air space, but you get the picture.

No, you're entirely off base. The reason why people do not invade America is because they are simply too far away it's hard to cross the oceans with soldiers.. storm a beach and then establish a base to proceed further into our country. And we did have a conflict on our land.. it was between mexico over Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War

Repost:

Wars fought on american soul: Revolutionary War, Mexican-American War, War of 1812, Civil War and WW2

During the WW2 the Japanese did invade Alaska, but a top general was asked after the war why they didn't invade the Western U.S., after our Pacific fleet was shattered, and he stated the same reason you are stating, every American had a gun. The Japanese also never predicted we would band together as quickly as we did. They thought we were a mismatch of different cultures that wouldn't get it together to come out fighting before they secured the Pacific

The war of 1812. Duh, Mexico invaded U.S. soil.

Well, having a massive OCEAN on BOTH SIDES helps, it has to be said..... But I also think it's true that anyone dumb enough to try it would get *****-slapped back to wherever they came from pretty fast....

[QUOTE="phillo99"]

[QUOTE="TirOrn"]

No war is irrelevant. The war of 1812 demonstrates that no matter how infallible a nation may presume to be, it can still be damaged/destroyed. The patriotism during the months preceding the burning of Washington is unmatched in history, and look what happened then. Look at how patriotic some are now. It seems the false sense ofinfallibility is the predecessor to fallibility.

TirOrn

Yes. It is irrelevant. You really think it will be a cakewalk for the chinese to take over america? Really? And that some western European nations will join in? I could just say that to conquer europe, all I have to do is take London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, and BAM! I conquered Europe. It's totally possible, right?

Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that we have the strongest military in the world.

Individual nations? Yes. Europe is not an entity comprised of one nation. There are many, as you know. However, in the relatively recent past:

Adolf Hitler - Battle of Britain, London; If the Luftwaffe would have succeeded that night, in all likeliness, Britain would have fallen.
Adolf Hitler - Paris, France; France fell at the capture of Paris.
The Allies - Berlin, Germany; By taking Berlin, they officially destroyed any power that Germany held over its citizens to motivate a battle force.
Adolf Hitler - Moscow, Russia; During the Red Winter, thousands of German troops died to take Moscow. Had they succeeded, Hitler knew that they would have succeeded in destroying the Eastern Front.

Patriotism has everything to do with us having the strongest military in the world. Without pride in one's army/navy/air force, it won't exist. The reason behing innovation is to keep that which we love the most safe. It's when we think that we are indestructible that we will ultimately fail. The USA succeeds best when it is humble and modest.

You don't get it, do you? You can't just say "Oh, just take this and this, and then I'll be ruler of America!" You don't realize that since we have the strongest military, invasion is impossible. It won't and can't happen.

Battle of Britain was fought over many months. Not one night.

Paris: The french surrendered paris. There was no fight for Paris.

Berlin: Only after having to destroy the rest of Nazi germany, which was not a cakewalk.

Moscow: Take a lesson from Napoleon, capture of Moscow=/= victory in russia. The soviets just moved all of their industry east of the Urals, so moscow would have been just another city captured. You know nothing of the eastern front. Absolutely nothing. In fact, you have no knowledge in this area.

And, I was refering to your statement that everyone is falsely patriotic about our military. The way we think has no bearing on the fact that our military is the most powerful.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]there is a dude down the street with a Sherman Tank with 7 rounds. i am not sure how he got it but i dont think invaders would expect a random civilian to have a tank.mamkem6

And you have never asked yourself is that normal. I mean what if this guy gets nuts or something and start a rampage. no offence to anyone but I don't think that is normal. No civilian should have arms.