I just want to vent

I know people are going to say blog it, but I don't care.

My wrestling team and I got hammered this past weekend at our state wrestling tournament (this is a school sponsered trip). One of the kids had a seizure, almost died, and we called the hospital. So of course the coaches and the school fonud out. Now there is a good chance we are all going to get kicked out of our private high school, and I'm a senior! All of the coaches are going to get fired, the team might get cut from the school. I'm sure the college I'm going to is going to tell me not to enroll this fall. I don't know what to do.

Not much you can do. Maybe apologize to those high in the schools leadership structure.

Blog it!

No he got a seizure from the underage drinking we were doing. stupid4

When did I ever say I was mad at the school?

Perhaps you shouldn't have gotten hammered. I reserve no sympathy for irresponsibility.Zackariel

Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good?

[QUOTE="Zackariel"]Perhaps you shouldn't have gotten hammered. I reserve no sympathy for irresponsibility.stupid4

Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good?

You presumably knew what you were doing and the way it could impact your life for the worse. Why should I feel bad? It would be like me feeling good if you were never caught.

Act like the adult you'll soon be and this **** won't happen. It's that simple. That goes for your entire wrestling team and every other human on Earth.

Are you a good wrestler? or are you the type that wraps himself in garbage bags to lose weight?AAllxxjjnn

What do you mean? Everybody does that. That is how you lose weight. And I have won state twice and I was going to wrestle for Brown University, but now that isn't going to happen probably.

[QUOTE="Zackariel"]Perhaps you shouldn't have gotten hammered. I reserve no sympathy for irresponsibility.stupid4

Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good?

The only way you won't go to college is if you don't want to. You might not get into a particularly good one, but someone is bound to take you.

Sounds to me like you screwed yourself over.

I'm sorry...

Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good? stupid4

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[QUOTE="Zackariel"]Perhaps you shouldn't have gotten hammered. I reserve no sympathy for irresponsibility.Zackariel

Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good?

You presumably knew what you were doing and the way it could impact your life for the worse. Why should I feel bad? It would be like me feeling good if you were never caught.

Act like the adult you'll soon be and this **** won't happen. It's that simple. That goes for your entire wrestling team and every other human on Earth.

chill maybe....

Yes it was stupid, and your only hope is to go to the principal and just explain everything and be straight up about anything. Show how bad you feel, do something for the school, do something for your friend who had a seizure.

But most likely you are screwed as I'm sure they have a no tolerance rule.

anyone saying that "it was his fault he got trashed" ...

... i don't think the punishment fits the crime.

if anything, you should be suspended and kicked off the team, NOT kicked out of school, especially since it's your last year and you are so close to graduating and going to college, this severe of a punishment would only serve to shaft you.

i say a 10-week inschool suspension, expulsion from all extra-curricular activites, no punishment for the coaches as they didn't know about it and no one can be expected to prevent every type of poor conduct, that's ridiculous and oppresive.

your school is overreacting and is taking the wrong approach. they should not expel you, they are obviously acting on emotion and passion rather than reason, and the college you want to go to should not decline your admittance.

people need to get real and grow the **** up.

any involved get punished. those not involved do not. and you should still get to graduate and go to college.

this reminds me of a movie, "Scent of a Woman" with Al Pacino and Chris O' Donnell. Very good movie, you should rent it. i highly reccomend it.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]Normally I would agree with you, but now I'm not going to college and I don't get to wrestle anymore. Sound good? foxhound_fox

The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

As for the team members getting kicked off, I understand that.

As for the coaches being fired, I don't understand that. Unless they knew about it, provided the alcohol, or were required to be with the students at all times (and weren't).

As for your scholarship offer being revoked, I'd figure that they would check your record before doing that. I'd advise you plead with them and make your case that its your only offense, if the underage drinking is your only offense. Or, go to an underage alcohol counseling, because that could help you look better in the college administration's eyes.

Whatever the results are, this is a perfect example of actions being carried out before weighing the reactions (or consequences).

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. im_really_rich

anyone saying that "it was his fault he got trashed" ...

... i don't think the punishment fits the crime.

if anything, you should be suspended and kicked off the team, NOT kicked out of school, especially since it's your last year and you are so close to graduating and going to college, this severe of a punishment would only serve to shaft you.

i say a 10-week inschool suspension, expulsion from all extra-curricular activites, no punishment for the coaches as they didn't know about it and no one can be expected to prevent every type of poor conduct, that's ridiculous and oppresive.

your school is overreacting and is taking the wrong approach. they should not expel you, they are obviously acting on emotion and passion rather than reason, and the college you want to go to should not decline your admittance.

people need to get real and grow the **** up.

any involved get punished. those not involved do not. and you should still get to graduate and go to college.

this reminds me of a movie, "Scent of a Woman" with Al Pacino and Chris O' Donnell. Very good movie, you should rent it. i highly reccomend it.

im_really_rich

The school can kick out whoever they want, especially students that break the law and end up in the hospital. It isn't the school that needs to grow up. The coaches are personally responsible for the kids (they are like guardians since the parents aren't there) and are just as responsible for letting them wander off into a bar or wherever they got drunk.

As for the coaches being fired, I don't understand that. Unless they knew about it, provided the alcohol, or were required to be with the students at all times (and weren't).

JERMINITIS

A coach is taking the place of the parent. He becomes the students' guardian during the trip. If the students screw up, the parents can blame the coach and, by extension, the school he represents. It leaves the door open for lawsuits. Depending on the state, the coach could go to jail for his irresponsibility. If he was watching them like he should have been (they are technically minors, remember), this wouldn't have happened.

There's really not much you can do except man up, apologize, and accept responsibility. I got a disorderly conduct this summer for throwing waterballoons at cars, and my friend's "friend" ratted us out. The police hassled us a bit but I made sure I accepted responsibility and didn't whine and complain.xXBuffJeffXx

For sure. Earlier this week when we had our "trial" I acted very remorseful.

You school is gonna get canned because a kid had a seizure? Whoever decided to can your school is a moron.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]There's really not much you can do except man up, apologize, and accept responsibility. I got a disorderly conduct this summer for throwing waterballoons at cars, and my friend's "friend" ratted us out. The police hassled us a bit but I made sure I accepted responsibility and didn't whine and complain.stupid4

For sure. Earlier this week when we had our "trial" I acted very remorseful.

Yeah, I know it sucks. The cops were basically dirtbags to us, but I had to pretend that I was really remorseful for something that wasn't a big deal.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]There's really not much you can do except man up, apologize, and accept responsibility. I got a disorderly conduct this summer for throwing waterballoons at cars, and my friend's "friend" ratted us out. The police hassled us a bit but I made sure I accepted responsibility and didn't whine and complain.stupid4

For sure. Earlier this week when we had our "trial" I acted very remorseful.

don't act, be.

just some advice.

In my opinion, I think you should really be given a second chance based on yours past history.

I just feel so bad for my teammate who had the seizure. He could have died. stupid4

Imagine if he had and you'll feel better.

The important thing at this point isn't going to school or your friend or your coach: the important thing is that you learn. If you don't, everything else that happened is meaningless; if you do, everything else that happened is meaningless by comparison.

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As for the coaches being fired, I don't understand that. Unless they knew about it, provided the alcohol, or were required to be with the students at all times (and weren't).

Zackariel

A coach is taking the place of the parent. He becomes the students' guardian during the trip. If the students screw up, the parents can blame the coach and, by extension, the school he represents. It leaves the door open for lawsuits. Depending on the state, the coach could go to jail for his irresponsibility. If he was watching them like he should have been (they are technically minors, remember), this wouldn't have happened.

Well duh,

My old man is a teacher. Numerous times we'd take school trips, either one-day or overnight trips. On one of those trips, a kid got arrested for theft. By your judgement, he could have been arrested as well. :?

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]The punishment doesn't fit the crime. foxhound_fox

Yes, punishment should fit the crime, otherwise we just all might as well abandon logic and reason.

Things HAVE to make sense and should be tough, but fair. Things need to be just and reasonable, otherwise it's totalitarian and fascist and nazi and all that other stuff.

I went to a private Catholic school for 11 years and they are nazis there. The rules are stupid, you have to follow the damn dress code and you get in trouble if your shirt is not tucked it and they suck. They just plain suck and deserve all the resentment and contempt they get. You have to go to a school mass every damn week and "Glory and praise to our God" and blah blah blah cliquey elitist sick degerate pieces of ****.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]The punishment doesn't fit the crime. foxhound_fox

Oh, and talk to me when you learn to 'use your head' and 'think for yourself' instead of just blindly following orders.

[QUOTE="Zackariel"][QUOTE="JERMINITIS"]

As for the coaches being fired, I don't understand that. Unless they knew about it, provided the alcohol, or were required to be with the students at all times (and weren't).

JERMINITIS

A coach is taking the place of the parent. He becomes the students' guardian during the trip. If the students screw up, the parents can blame the coach and, by extension, the school he represents. It leaves the door open for lawsuits. Depending on the state, the coach could go to jail for his irresponsibility. If he was watching them like he should have been (they are technically minors, remember), this wouldn't have happened.

Well duh,

My old man is a teacher. Numerous times we'd take school trips, either one-day or overnight trips. On one of those trips, a kid got arrested for theft. By your judgement, he could have been arrested as well. :?

He could have been. He's in charge of minors. He probably didn't, though, since none of them were hurt in this theft.

If it's a "well duh" moment, then why are you confused? It's a simple thing: Coach doesn't watch kids under his care, kids get in trouble, coach gets in trouble.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="im_really_rich"]The punishment doesn't fit the crime. im_really_rich

Yes, punishment should fit the crime, otherwise we just all might as well abandon logic and reason.

Things HAVE to make sense and should be tough, but fair. Things need to be just and reasonable, otherwise it's totalitarian and fascist and nazi and all that other stuff.

I went to a private Catholic school for 11 years and they are nazis there. The rules are stupid, you have to follow the damn dress code and you get in trouble if your shirt is not tucked it and they suck. They just plain suck and deserve all the resentment and contempt they get. You have to go to a school mass every damn week and "Glory and praise to our God" and blah blah blah cliquey elitist sick degerate pieces of ****.

What were you saying earlier about arguing from emotion? Policies and laws exist for a reason, and getting kicked out of school for breaking drug laws on a school-sponsored trip is not excessive or even uncommon punishment.

[QUOTE="JERMINITIS"][QUOTE="Zackariel"]

A coach is taking the place of the parent. He becomes the students' guardian during the trip. If the students screw up, the parents can blame the coach and, by extension, the school he represents. It leaves the door open for lawsuits. Depending on the state, the coach could go to jail for his irresponsibility. If he was watching them like he should have been (they are technically minors, remember), this wouldn't have happened.

Zackariel

Well duh,

My old man is a teacher. Numerous times we'd take school trips, either one-day or overnight trips. On one of those trips, a kid got arrested for theft. By your judgement, he could have been arrested as well. :?

He could have been. He's in charge of minors. He probably didn't, though, since none of them were hurt in this theft.

If it's a "well duh" moment, then why are you confused? It's a simple thing: Coach doesn't watch kids under his care, kids get in trouble, coach gets in trouble.

Its a 'well duh' to your mentioning that the coach/teacher is a guardian representative. I'm clear on that.

Where you and I fail to meet, is that I say its unclear whether or not the coach(s) was/were supposed to be with each student 24/7. If so, then yes, punishment should be dealt out accordingly. If not, and the students had their own room, then the students could have went to go get alcohol in the middle of the night. And, whoever contributed to them should be dealt with.

Oh, and talk to me when you learn to 'use your head' and 'think for yourself' instead of just blindly following orders. im_really_rich