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#101 -GeordiLaForge-
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the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

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We can literally see all the way back to just after the big bang using waves that are invisible to the human eye. And all of the galaxies are flying away from one another at an exponential rate, meaning they keep going faster and faster, since there is nothing there to slow them down. The "Big Bang theory" is the best explanation that I've seen, and I doubt that it will ever be discredited.
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#102 Ontain
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[QUOTE="dbd333"]They've been doing experiments for a long time and it seems to work better than reading some religious manuscript.cee1gee
actually it is not too far apart from a religions belief...both are mostly guesses..which is why religion and science always argue with one another

are you really saying that scientific method is no more credible about the world than thousand year old texts?
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#103 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="motorstormhater"]

the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

-GeordiLaForge-

We can literally see all the way back to just after the big bang using waves that are invisible to the human eye. And all of the galaxies are flying away from one another at an exponential rate, meaning they keep going faster and faster, since there is nothing there to slow them down. The "Big Bang theory" is the best explanation that I've seen, and I doubt that it will ever be discredited.

Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

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#104 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Simpler, I hate that it's almost all based on experimentation.needled24-7

ummm, i don't see how else something could be tested doing something other than an experiment.

No, that's true. You experiment to test ideas. As you can see just above that, I meant that so many scientific discoveries happened because they put a proverbial cat and dog in a bag to see what happened, even if they had no idea the results. Maybe I haven't stated that clearly.
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#105 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="motorstormhater"]

the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

Darthmatt

We can literally see all the way back to just after the big bang using waves that are invisible to the human eye. And all of the galaxies are flying away from one another at an exponential rate, meaning they keep going faster and faster, since there is nothing there to slow them down. The "Big Bang theory" is the best explanation that I've seen, and I doubt that it will ever be discredited.

Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

Yeah! Just like that joke respiration, I mean I sure don't see any oxygen do you?
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#106 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="motorstormhater"]

the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

Darthmatt

We can literally see all the way back to just after the big bang using waves that are invisible to the human eye. And all of the galaxies are flying away from one another at an exponential rate, meaning they keep going faster and faster, since there is nothing there to slow them down. The "Big Bang theory" is the best explanation that I've seen, and I doubt that it will ever be discredited.

Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

Wow... :|:?

Let me ask you... do you not think any light exists beyond the visible spectrum?

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#107 foxhound_fox
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Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

Darthmatt


No. there are wavelengths of light that the human eye cannot see... particularly all wavelengths that fall outside the aptly named "visible spectrum." Such as x-rays. Black holes are x-ray emission sources, and we can only "see" them with special observatory satellites.

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#108 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

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No. there are wavelengths of light that the human eye cannot see... particularly all wavelengths that fall outside the aptly named "visible spectrum." Such as x-rays. Black holes are x-ray emission sources, and we can only "see" them with special observatory satellites.

Then why cant you x-ray a ghost? They are invisible too>... By the way, I wish science would invent a better way to type in sarcasm.

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#109 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

Darthmatt


No. there are wavelengths of light that the human eye cannot see... particularly all wavelengths that fall outside the aptly named "visible spectrum." Such as x-rays. Black holes are x-ray emission sources, and we can only "see" them with special observatory satellites.

Then why cant you x-ray a ghost? They are invisible too>... By the way, I wish science would invent a better way to type in sarcasm.

I got your joke there, as my post was intense sarcasm as well.

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#110 quiglythegreat
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i love science alot and always watch science channels its my favorite subject but i really dislike how they make these outrageous claims such as the earth was born 9.6 billion years ago..why cant they just admit they have no idea...what scientific claims do you find ridiculous?

cee1gee

the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

motorstormhater
lol but yeah, I mean, what evidence is it based on? not even a shred of logic to the conclusion that the Earth is 9.6 billion years old.
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#111 Bourbons3
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i love science alot and always watch science channels its my favorite subject but i really dislike how they make these outrageous claims such as the earth was born 9.6 billion years ago..why cant they just admit they have no idea...what scientific claims do you find ridiculous?

cee1gee
They have a better idea than whatever people get from a book.
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#112 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="motorstormhater"]

the big bang theory. What proof have they seen that lead them to come up with this idea? is their some spot in the universe with traces of explosive residue? i doubt it

Darthmatt

We can literally see all the way back to just after the big bang using waves that are invisible to the human eye. And all of the galaxies are flying away from one another at an exponential rate, meaning they keep going faster and faster, since there is nothing there to slow them down. The "Big Bang theory" is the best explanation that I've seen, and I doubt that it will ever be discredited.

Invisible to the eye? you mean like its magic. I don't believe in magic.

Wait, so you're saying microwaves are "magic?"
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#113 Vaasman
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The one thing I don't like about science is that there is a lot of information we learn that ends up being useless. A lot of resources are spent researching things like the age of the earth or the evolutionary process, when they would be much better spent on new engineering technology, and finding alternative sources of energy.

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#114 tocklestein2005
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I believe all science. the end.

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#115 muff07
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[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="muff07"]

Actually C-14 (Or Caron dating as it's commonly reffered to) is only acurate to 14,000 years due to the relativly short half-life of the Caron atom. The oldest rocks in the world have been dated to2.45 Billion years old using Uranium and other Unstable isotopes half-lifes to atain date. After2.45 billion years it goes down to theories on how long certain sequences of events are thought to have take eg. Cooling of Earth from molten fire ball to a cool solid outter crust.

But the Big Bang is based on all are current knowledge on the cosmos and universe and predictions/simulations from computers. It's much like how people thought the world was flat, a new idea could emerge from new information.

But the biggest thing that (Almost) proves the Big Bang theory is that The further away a selestial object is the further the shift to the red side of the spectrum it is, I.e the further away something is the faster it is moving away (Also meaning the universe is expanding) and this must have occured from a single point.

SamusFreak

I thought carbon dating using Carbon-14 was accurate up to roughly 50,000 years.

correct, it is accurate to around 50000-65000. after that the peices become to small to work with. there are many though that have much long half-lives( and ones with much shorter)

No Thats Argon that is accurate to 50,000 thousand years which is commonly mistaken for Carbon dating..... It's called Carbon dating but doesn't actually use the Carbon atom to work out the age of the rock.

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#116 Serraph105
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What is so outrageous about that? Carbon dating has given them the idea of it being that old. Its not a definite figure but its probably in the area.Big_Bad_Sad
What this guy said. Also its just the theory people go by until proven otherwise.

edit also things like "Come on" and "Something tells me" are not real arguments so unless you want to come here with proof or evidence that actually contradicts what scientists say don't bother saying anything.

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#117 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] lol but yeah, I mean, what evidence is it based on? not even a shred of logic to the conclusion that the Earth is 9.6 billion years old.

4.5, and it is called both The Hubble Law and Radiometric dating.
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#118 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] lol but yeah, I mean, what evidence is it based on? not even a shred of logic to the conclusion that the Earth is 9.6 billion years old.Vandalvideo
4.5, and it is called both The Hubble Law and Radiometric dating.

ownage feels pretty good doesnt it vandal?
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#119 cee1gee
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This is how they determine crimes where there was no witness, they put together the pieces of evidence and reasoning to create the most likely outcome even though no one was there to see it happen.

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im talking a
The Earth is 4.6 billion. Who the hell said 9.6 billion?MattUD1
i was just giving an example
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#120 cee1gee
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] lol but yeah, I mean, what evidence is it based on? not even a shred of logic to the conclusion that the Earth is 9.6 billion years old.Serraph105
4.5, and it is called both The Hubble Law and Radiometric dating.

ownage feels pretty good doesnt it vandal?

he has a point, and 4.5 billion? why not 3.5 billion? we know 100 percent they didnt count up to that lol we all know 2 + 2 is 4 because humans MADE that..but we dont know the age of the earth
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#121 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="Locke562"] I thought carbon dating using Carbon-14 was accurate up to roughly 50,000 years.muff07

correct, it is accurate to around 50000-65000. after that the peices become to small to work with. there are many though that have much long half-lives( and ones with much shorter)

No Thats Argon that is accurate to 50,000 thousand years which is commonly mistaken for Carbon dating..... It's called Carbon dating but doesn't actually use the Carbon atom to work out the age of the rock.

no. Carbon14 datign is accurate to about 50000 to 60000 years. Argon-argon dating is accurate to billions of years.

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#122 Teenaged
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Ya, I mean, the earth is 6000 years old right?

9 billion years is just ...............too much. :? How can it be this old? Thats offensive to earth, which I am sure is sensitive with her age. I mean have some respect here...

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#123 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="dbd333"]They've been doing experiments for a long time and it seems to work better than reading some religious manuscript.cee1gee
actually it is not too far apart from a religions belief...both are mostly guesses..which is why religion and science always argue with one another

Religion is a guess from imagination, science (in this case at worst can be characterised as...) imagination from facts.

In other words, the arbitrary nature of science here is that it connects arbitrarily existing facts, while religion arbitrarily creates the "facts" and then arbitrarily connects them.

There's huge difference.

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#124 GabuEx
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This thread has managed to reach seven pages in length without the topic creator listening to a single reply.

While impressive, I think it's about time this thread was put to sleep. :P