I refuse to worship such a violent god.

[QUOTE="diz360"]

That's what I'm saying. Science discounts the supernatural - it does not deal with it.

Science comes from men and their understanding of nature. The supernatural is, by definitaion, excluded from science. That's why atheists don't believe in it.

LJS9502_basic

Science does NOT address the supernatural. That's not what you are saying.:|

It discounts it, does not deal with, excludes it and does not address it.

Where is the difference in those terms?

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

????? All of those quotes are taken from the Old Testament, not the New Testament. Christians follow the New Testament. Learn your facts before blaming Christians dude! Yes, we do follow a majority of Old Testament scriptures, but it is the New Testament that has the Word of Jesus. And it is such that we follow to a T.

And please show me where Jesus killed anyone!!!!

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Science itself doesn't deal with the supernatural, by definition.Decessus

Scientists do not study the supernatural, that is correct. However, that doesn't mean that the discoveries that are made through science cannot prove supernatural explanations false.

Science has shown that a human virgin birth is impossible and could never have happened naturally.

You're not getting it. Evolution can occur with a guiding force behind it as it were. Therefore, theres is NO discrepancy. Now I have to get to bed. I'm sure this thread will show up again. In the meantime....try thinking on a different plane for once and see what you can come up. Not necessarily a belief in God....don't fret.

LJS9502_basic

I'm not suggesting that evolution can't be guided by some unseen force, although personally I don't believe there is such a thing. The point that I'm trying to make is that the Christian concept of God is what is incompatible with the theory of evolution. This guiding force that you are referring to is not a Christian idea and isn't what this discussion is about.

This discussion is about whether or not it is possible for a human virgin to give birth. The answer is no, it is not possible.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Wslacker

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

????? All of those quotes are taken from the Old Testament, not the New Testament. Christians follow the New Testament. Learn your facts before blaming Christians dude! Yes, we do follow a majority of Old Testament scriptures, but it is the New Testament that has the Word of Jesus. And it is such that we follow to a T.

And please show me where Jesus killed anyone!!!!

While the Old Testament may not be the focus of Christianity (it is the foundation, however), you still worship the same God.

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Theempire30

Apparantly you haven't read the New Testament.

[QUOTE="diz360"]

That's what I'm saying. Science discounts the supernatural - it does not deal with it.

Science comes from men and their understanding of nature. The supernatural is, by definitaion, excluded from science. That's why atheists don't believe in it.

LJS9502_basic

Science does NOT address the supernatural. That's not what you are saying.:|

the entire universe is natural. there is no evidence of the existence of anything outside or above nature, thus there is nothing there for science to deal with outside of nature.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Science itself doesn't deal with the supernatural, by definition.CptJSparrow

Scientists do not study the supernatural, that is correct. However, that doesn't mean that the discoveries that are made through science cannot prove supernatural explanations false.

Science has shown that a human virgin birth is impossible and could never have happened naturally.

There are no supernatural theories. Only assertions. Theories have to be far more robust to survive scientific scrutiny.

Science only deals with positive proof. Disproof is a logical impossibility.

There is scientific hypotheses supporting hermaphrodite virgin births, but only to female offspring.

This is the divide between science and the supernatural (including theism). How can both be believed at the same time?

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Science itself doesn't deal with the supernatural, by definition.CptJSparrow

Scientists do not study the supernatural, that is correct. However, that doesn't mean that the discoveries that are made through science cannot prove supernatural explanations false.

Science has shown that a human virgin birth is impossible and could never have happened naturally.

I do, however, feel that subscribing to one particularly well-evidenced theory of science, adding supernatural theories to or around it, and rejecting another equally significant theory to be absurd, as well as showing that someone is not genuine in their science (e.g. believing in theistic evolution and rejecting astrophysics).

I'd like to first point out that I don't think I said genes cause evolution. I said that our understanding of evolution is partly based on our understanding of genetics. Our understanding of genetics says that a human virgin birth has never happened because it cannot happen. The genetic phenomenon known as genomic imprinting makes it impossible.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Theempire30

Would you consider worshipping a non-violent God?

If I found a god that dint murder people, doesn't ask for money every time we go to church, and a god that docent pick favorites. I wouldn't worship him because I'm very happy being an Atheist, but I would respect that religion. So far I don't think there's any religions like that though.

He asks to give 10% of out earnings each week. And he picks favorites when a baby dies it goes to heaven and not hell. We die now and if were not "saved" we go to hell. He gives them a chance and we get stuck in hell.

Because when you were a baby could you think as well as you do now............strike that stupid question. The point is is that babies can't really think so if they die God has to give them a chance. Same goes with mentally incapable people, but if you can think than you can make the choice on your own.

[QUOTE="Krendog"]

Four corners. North South East and West, and for the other stuff continue to read on.

Decessus

7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

7:4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The passage is clearly not referring to the Cardinal directions. I agree with you that it is a metaphor, but it isn't a metaphor for north, south, east, and west. It's simply a metaphor for the entire earth. People use the same phrase today.

That sound about right.

[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Theempire30

Would you consider worshipping a non-violent God?

If I found a god that dint murder people, doesn't ask for money every time we go to church, and a god that docent pick favorites. I wouldn't worship him because I'm very happy being an Atheist, but I would respect that religion. So far I don't think there's any religions like that though.

He asks to give 10% of out earnings each week. And he picks favorites when a baby dies it goes to heaven and not hell. We die now and if were not "saved" we go to hell. He gives them a chance and we get stuck in hell.

There's many things we don't understand either, you don't see us going to heaven without getting saved. And if god was real he would reward the church endlessly.

If the church is loyal to Him then yes, but some churches are corrupt or flawed. You can't reward an employer who is doing a bad job, but you can reward one that is doing a good job. Look at the church in Korea. That guy has a couple 100,000 or a million people.

[QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="diz360"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] where does god say in the bible "please, give me 10% of your earnings"? also, the new testament doesn't say that you should titheTheempire30

Not 10%, but all of it, Here are plenty of verses from psalms and luke

Donations are a regular part of church-going.

In switzerland, you automatically donate 4% of your earnings to the swiss church unless you specifically sign a disclaimer stating you don't want to at the council offices there.

And you could have more if you kept it. The bible tells to give 10% or more to everyone, some people can't gets jobs, some lost it all and are living in the streets. Does god find the ones that cant give sinners? Or does he pick favorites and not let them pay. Also I know it sounds wrong when I said he picks baby's to go to heaven if they die and not grown people. But you have to understand he makes it clear that we are all equal to his eyes, if he lets anyone enter into heaven without getting saved he is picking a favorite. Baby or a grown person, poor or rich.

And I understand why you don't want to worship a violent God. I've read the Old Testament, and I only noticed God do violent acts to really evil people. I mean really evil.

And I'm done with these kinds of threads. They consist of "I'm right you're wrong" kind of arguments. I don't like them one bit. So you may never see me post in these kinds of threads anymore. I'm not scared. I just don't want to see banned people anytime of the week.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="diz360"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] where does god say in the bible "please, give me 10% of your earnings"? also, the new testament doesn't say that you should titheFireball2500

Not 10%, but all of it, Here are plenty of verses from psalms and luke

Donations are a regular part of church-going.

In switzerland, you automatically donate 4% of your earnings to the swiss church unless you specifically sign a disclaimer stating you don't want to at the council offices there.

And you could have more if you kept it. The bible tells to give 10% or more to everyone, some people can't gets jobs, some lost it all and are living in the streets. Does god find the ones that cant give sinners? Or does he pick favorites and not let them pay. Also I know it sounds wrong when I said he picks baby's to go to heaven if they die and not grown people. But you have to understand he makes it clear that we are all equal to his eyes, if he lets anyone enter into heaven without getting saved he is picking a favorite. Baby or a grown person, poor or rich.

And I understand why you don't want to worship a violent God. I've read the Old Testament, and I only noticed God do violent acts to really evil people. I mean really evil.

And I'm done with these kinds of threads. They consist of "I'm right you're wrong" kind of arguments. I don't like them one bit. So you may never see me post in these kinds of threads anymore. I'm not scared. I just don't want to see banned people anytime of the week.

Getting banned is not a risk, if the Terms of use are followed.

If you've read the old testament, you must have skipped the many acts of violence and vengefulness, or interpreted them differently. The subjects of gods vengeance were the entire planet at one point, aside from Noah's family. Surely that must have included innocent children and and some other righteous people. Not to mention first-born Egyptians nd the choice of 100 dying or 1 person saved - and hundreds more besides.

I've read the rationalists here qualifying their lacks of faith. Seeing as there is no rational basis for faith, it does seem odd that theists try and do same in these threads. I can understand your exasperation.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Silver_Dragon17

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Anamosa41

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

it's not a good point, it's an irrelevant point. look at the actions of christians, not the book. care to explain how the crusades were not violent? how about the inquisition?

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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|giton

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

it's not a good point, it's an irrelevant point. look at the actions of christians, not the book. care to explain how the crusades were not violent? how about the inquisition?

[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Anamosa41

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

it's not a good point, it's an irrelevant point. look at the actions of christians, not the book. care to explain how the crusades were not violent? how about the inquisition?

you get your facts from movies? please, don't post in this thread again.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|giton

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

it's not a good point, it's an irrelevant point. look at the actions of christians, not the book. care to explain how the crusades were not violent? how about the inquisition?

you get your facts from movies? please, don't post in this thread again.

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

giton

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|giton

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

it's not a good point, it's an irrelevant point. look at the actions of christians, not the book. care to explain how the crusades were not violent? how about the inquisition?

you get your facts from movies? please, don't post in this thread again.

Even though they probably hired hundreds of soldiers because some people did say that you cant base it on a movie alone. The crusades were very violent to gain Christian land in the middle east. They did carry the cross into all their battles. And for like the 6th time that is all Old Testament but it doesn't hide the fact that its still the bible. I'm more then sure that I can find plenty of New Testament things. And stop quoting me on things that I have been quoted like 4 pages back.

[QUOTE="giton"]

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

Anamosa41

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="giton"]

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="giton"]

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

Anamosa41

the new testament may have toned down the violent rhetoric, but it is still pretty violent. look what jesus did to those poor devils and innocent pigs in matthew 8:32 and mark 5:12-13 and luke 8:27-37.

also, you can't deny that the OT is applicable to christianity - that's no defense. you believe every word in the bible, right? Acts 3:23 (see 3:12 to 3:26) peter says that "every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people" That is a clear reference to Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

and how about the fact that god is planning mass murder at the 2nd coming? isn't that violent? see Thessalonians 1:10. read the entire book of revelations.

in Colosians 1:19-20 it says that god makes peace through blood.

how about the fact that god plans to kill people who don't believe in him? John 3:18 and 3:36.

there's more. if you don't see that as violent, you're missing something. also, the disciples frequently drew on examples from the old testament to illustrate their points or just to affirm them. you can't hide behind the notion that the old testament is violent and the new testament is not.

giton, this guy will never change his opinion.CptJSparrow

i know. i'm already tiring of it.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="giton"]

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

Anamosa41

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="giton"]

the bible is no better source of facts than a movie.

people do not need the bible to understand what is right and what is wrong. and not only that, the bible gets it wrong a lot. that's what the OP was posting about.

giton

the new testament may have toned down the violent rhetoric, but it is still pretty violent. look what jesus did to those poor devils and innocent pigs in matthew 8:32 and mark 5:12-13 and luke 8:27-37.

also, you can't deny that the OT is applicable to christianity - that's no defense. you believe every word in the bible, right? Acts 3:23 (see 3:12 to 3:26) peter says that "every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people" That is a clear reference to Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

and how about the fact that god is planning mass murder at the 2nd coming? isn't that violent? see Thessalonians 1:10. read the entire book of revelations.

in Colosians 1:19-20 it says that god makes peace through blood.

how about the fact that god plans to kill people who don't believe in him? John 3:18 and 3:36.

there's more. if you don't see that as violent, you're missing something. also, the disciples frequently drew on examples from the old testament to illustrate their points or just to affirm them. you can't hide behind the notion that the old testament is violent and the new testament is not.

People still worship gods? I thought Jesus was just another children's character at this point... Grow up.Zero5000X

Who cares.. fighting over religion is pathetic.Zaeryn

no one is literally fighting. it's more of a debate, though at times it disintegrates to name calling.

but to answer you, everyone should care. believers and religionists seek to establish and police society according to their anti-human views, compelling you and everyone else to live by their creeds and dogma, making all people subject to their punishments. they are dangerous, distorters of rationality, anathema to a free society, and supporters of coercion and government.

"Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest" -- Denis Diderot

So if you refuse to worship a violent god, who would you worship. Some Panzy ass p*ssy who picks flowers and sells candy to school children. I mean, I 'm not religious, but if I worship a god, I want to be worshipping someone who can and will smote a b*tch for praying to a golden cow. Worship a peaceful god if you want, you'll just have your ass smoted in the end at heavens gate whereever the f*ck you end up. But as for me, if I want a god, I want f*cking Dirty Harry to kill for my sins.droge085

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]People still worship gods? I thought Jesus was just another children's character at this point... Grow up.Anamosa41

and yet I'm not the one who believes in a supernatural being. Whos religion contradicts itself over and over, and has a book that basically pwnz itself.

I think we should embrace violent religion. I mean, we should go back to beheadings, crucifiction, boiling people alive all that ****. Hell, violence and vengeance are very religiously motivated so why not exploit the stuff? I assure you if we start crucifying people again crime will go way down in this country, hell put that stuff on tv and evangelicals everywhere will skip church to watch that ****. They'll be getting off everytime one of these convicts is executed anyway so why the hell not? **** prisons too, we don't need them. Steal a snickers? Beheading. Jaywalking? Throw em into the fire. Religious nutjobs will be all over this ****.Headbanger88

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="droge085"]So if you refuse to worship a violent god, who would you worship. Some Panzy ass p*ssy who picks flowers and sells candy to school children. I mean, I 'm not religious, but if I worship a god, I want to be worshipping someone who can and will smote a b*tch for praying to a golden cow. Worship a peaceful god if you want, you'll just have your ass smoted in the end at heavens gate whereever the f*ck you end up. But as for me, if I want a god, I want f*cking Dirty Harry to kill for my sins.droge085

you're probably going to get modded... just so you know.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]People still worship gods? I thought Jesus was just another children's character at this point... Grow up.Zero5000X

and yet I'm not the one who believes in a supernatural being. Whos religion contradicts itself over and over, and has a book that basically pwnz itself.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="droge085"]So if you refuse to worship a violent god, who would you worship. Some Panzy **** who picks flowers and sells candy to school children. I mean, I 'm not religious, but if I worship a god, I want to be worshipping someone who can and will smote a**** for praying to a golden cow. Worship a peaceful god if you want, you'll just have your ass smoted in the end at heavens gate whereever the**** you end up. But as for me, if I want a god, I want******* Dirty Harry to kill for my sins.droge085

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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]People still worship gods? I thought Jesus was just another children's character at this point... Grow up.Anamosa41

and yet I'm not the one who believes in a supernatural being. Whos religion contradicts itself over and over, and has a book that basically pwnz itself.

Just read the passages the TC posted. First God wants you to kill everyone for every little tidbit then he wants you to love everyone...WTF? The Bibile also idicates the world is roughly 6,000 years old which modern science has disproven. It also sugests the world is flat which science and rationality have disproven... The main guy in the book is the son of God basically because he said he was.