I swear to God...Bush had BETTER NOT!

Judging by the humiliating way the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have gone, war with Iran would be the biggest disaster that America has ever done. It would be far worse than Vietnam. The US military is already completely overstretched keeping Iraqi insurgents and Taliban at bay (not very successfully mind you) and a war with Iran would have serious negative impacts on the worlds oil supplies and America's economy, not least the funding for the war.

US Generals will quit if Bush orders war with Iran - UK Times

Why are US military Generals threatening to quit over Iran, breakdown of points:

1. The US military is completely overstretched. There are very few soldiers left to invade Iran. That means they would have to pull out of Iraq first which would mean failure in Iraq.
2. Right now because of the overstretched military the only military action the US can undertake is a bombing campaign of Iran, but that would acheive very little except for civilian death. The Iranians would ally themselves with the hardliners in Iran. It would make it harder for the US to launch a ground invasion. (Bombing campaigns do NOT win you wars, take a look at Vietnam, Iraq 2003 or Afghanistan for proof. It would achieve very little.)
3. Iran is a major oil exporter, a war with Iran would lead to a decrease in oil supply and push oil prices even higher. Like paying $100 a barrel for oil, just wait till that figure passes $200.
4. The US does NOT have the money to launch a new war. It's already overspending, on the brink of a recession and the dollars going down faster than a hooker. Bush's wars are bankrupting the US. An incease in oil prices is just going to make the recession even worse.
5. War with Iran would spread even more "terrorism", would unite many different Mujahideen factions and the Ayatollah would have no hesitation launching a true Jihad. Hundreds of thousands of Shi'ites and Muslims would be commanded to fight for the protection of Iran. That is something which the US would find next to impossible to win. Imagine fighters coming from Russia, Europe, China, Pakistan, Egypt, Arabian Gulf etc.
6. These wars are not Americas to fight, they are for Israel's protection. Essentially zionists in the US are controlling US foreign policy to get the US to fight a Israels proxy war.

Adm. William Fallon resigns after Magazine finds he is challenging Bush's intentions to wage war with Iran.

Quote: "Fallon, commander of U.S. Central Command headquarters responsible for the Middle East, said earlier this month that he would quit after Esquire magazine described him as urging President George W. Bush to avoid war with Iran."

A war with Iran would be one of the biggest mistakes the US has ever committed in its history.

Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
maheo30

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
jlh47

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
maheo30

Bush and Ahmadinejad don't seem too different then. Get them in a cage and have a fist fight. As for Israels military supremacy, they're so good that Hezbollah kicked their ass in August 2006. 3000 Hezbollah soldiers vs the might of the Israeli army and Hezbollah won.

Quote: "And the Israel's army was "not prepared" for last-minute "failed" ground offensive, which saw Israeli troops launch an attack just hours before an agreed ceasefire.

Mr Winograd concluded: "We found grave failings in the decision-making ... both on the military and political levels."

Also Hamas is gaining strength by the day.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
Hoobinator

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

[QUOTE="Palax"]How can you blame Iran for beefing up it's military and developing nukes when you have idiots like G.W. Bush threatning war. To me it just sounds like a good idea defensively.Crusher89

QFT not only that but u guys have nukes so how can u say they shouldn't have them. whos had the most wars in the past 100 yrs who is the bigger threat?

I'm a little confused with your stance by the wording of your answer, but to answer your question I suppose it depends on which side of the fence your standing on. If your an Iranian the U.S. probably looks pretty damned threatning like with all her accusations of "war" from it's president, the U.N. sanctions, and probably the most damning would be the invasion of that entire neighboring country. Factors such as the ones listed above have the tendency to scare people into military action.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
jlh47

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

Where exactly did he say he'd cleanse the Ameican people??? And Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The only letter I found was an open letter to the American People sent in November 2006, where he wants dialogue with the people, but no mention of killing.

If you're gonna spout propaganda and lies at least back it up with something credible. :roll:

[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]What I don't seem to understand is that some/most of our soldiers aren't old enough to legally have a beer, but are old enough to die for their country. Just a thought.teh_destroyer

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
Hoobinator

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

Where exactly did he say he'd cleanse the Ameican people??? And Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The only letter I found was an open letter to the American People sent in November 2006, where he wants dialogue with the people, but no mention of killing.

If you're gonna spout propaganda and lies at least back it up with something credible. :roll:

i'm not spouting out propaganda... the guy denies that the holocaust ever happened and also wants israel wiped from the face of the planet...

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/09/upurassibub_threaten.html

Meanwhile Upurassibub President Abdul Bin Goatfakkir has issued the following threat: "Because the Pope has chosen to call us evil and inhuman, we are extending the threat of death from Infidel dogs to Infidel cats as well. Any Christian cats found praying in the country of Upurassibub will be shot."

the guy is crazy

An invasion would be bad, to say the least. But if we're absolutely, 100% sure that Iran has nuclear weapons with intent to use them, we cannot allow them to do so.SmashBrosLegend

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
jlh47

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

Where exactly did he say he'd cleanse the Ameican people??? And Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The only letter I found was an open letter to the American People sent in November 2006, where he wants dialogue with the people, but no mention of killing.

If you're gonna spout propaganda and lies at least back it up with something credible. :roll:

i'm not spouting out propaganda... the guy denies that the holocaust ever happened and also wants israel wiped from the face of the planet...

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/09/upurassibub_threaten.html

Meanwhile Upurassibub President Abdul Bin Goatfakkir has issued the following threat: "Because the Pope has chosen to call us evil and inhuman, we are extending the threat of death from Infidel dogs to Infidel cats as well. Any Christian cats found praying in the country of Upurassibub will be shot."

the guy is crazy

And Bush and Israel want to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth. Tit-for-tat situation. You call me names I'll call you names. Only difference is the media isn't on Ahmadinejads side, so he doesn't get the voice or support.

We don't need to get involved...Israel will take care of it for us. They will be more efficient about it too...DeathStar17

Yeah I mean it was great the way Israel destroyed Hamas and Hezbollah.... oh wait...

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Ahmadinejad is a guy that has said many times his purpose in this life is to bring about the return of the Mahdi or Mehdi. His views have even radicalized a bit with him being linked to messianism. They are a threat. Bush isn't kidding around. This guy is a radical and needs to be stopped. Israel should go in there and wipe them out but they won't. With their Iron Fist technology they have the strongest military in the world. Iran has been strengthening their military in a freakish way. They are up to something. We'll find out what that is when we, like idiots, pull out of Iraq.
Hoobinator

yeah i know, that guy is crazy. he just sent a letter to Bush telling him to surrender or he'll cleanse (kill) every last citizen of the U.S.

Link please for confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

Where exactly did he say he'd cleanse the Ameican people??? And Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The only letter I found was an open letter to the American People sent in November 2006, where he wants dialogue with the people, but no mention of killing.

If you're gonna spout propaganda and lies at least back it up with something credible. :roll:

i'm not spouting out propaganda... the guy denies that the holocaust ever happened and also wants israel wiped from the face of the planet...

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/09/upurassibub_threaten.html

Meanwhile Upurassibub President Abdul Bin Goatfakkir has issued the following threat: "Because the Pope has chosen to call us evil and inhuman, we are extending the threat of death from Infidel dogs to Infidel cats as well. Any Christian cats found praying in the country of Upurassibub will be shot."

the guy is crazy

And Bush and Israel want to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth. Tit-for-tat situation. You call me names I'll call you names. Only difference is the media isn't on Ahmadinejads side, so he doesn't get the voice or support.

umm no they don't... they don't want iran to get nuclear weapons...

[QUOTE="Palax"]How can you blame Iran for beefing up it's military and developing nukes when you have idiots like G.W. Bush threatning war. To me it just sounds like a good idea defensively.Crusher89

QFT not only that but u guys have nukes so how can u say they shouldn't have them. whos had the most wars in the past 100 yrs who is the bigger threat?

[QUOTE="Crusher89"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]How can you blame Iran for beefing up it's military and developing nukes when you have idiots like G.W. Bush threatning war. To me it just sounds like a good idea defensively.DivergeUnify

QFT not only that but u guys have nukes so how can u say they shouldn't have them. whos had the most wars in the past 100 yrs who is the bigger threat?

Ahmadinejad did not vow to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. More western propaganda.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Crusher89"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]How can you blame Iran for beefing up it's military and developing nukes when you have idiots like G.W. Bush threatning war. To me it just sounds like a good idea defensively.Hoobinator

QFT not only that but u guys have nukes so how can u say they shouldn't have them. whos had the most wars in the past 100 yrs who is the bigger threat?

fff

edit: and by the way- where did I ever imply Iran said it?

the country of...Upurassibub!? Did you just make that up? and what's this about Goatfakkir?

Let me break this down:

Upurassibub--Up your ass...something

Goatfakkir--Goat f***er

Tell me I'm wrong, but this sounds like something The Onion would come up with.

Still, it's quite funny.

TC, your topic title makes it sound like you'd actually do something if he did...

but what would you do? nothing

REforever101

What will I do? Nothing. There's nothing I can do. I'm just expressing my discontent with our P.O.S. government. This war was over in 2003. The only thing we're doing now is creating a more unstable world market and furthering our conquest in the Middle East. Hell, Obama will get shot if he becomes president because he's different and some white radicalist won't like that change. Clinton will get shot if she becomes president because some sexist won't like the change she brings. When McCain inevitably becomes president (to my deep regret) he'll just make everything worse, drag the war on for another 5 years and in the end we would have ended up invading Greenland because the U.S. thought that terrorists were hiding in the ice.

We don't need to get involved...Israel will take care of it for us. They will be more efficient about it too...DeathStar17

You're deluding yourself into thinking that Israel will be able to efficiently take care of Iran. Israel does not have the logistic capability to neutralize targets in Iran nor its military range can overcome the geographic obstacles. In other words, Israel cannot mount such a campaign by itself, for logistical and geographical reasons.

U.S. military assistance to Israel, however, is another different story...