I think I have some solid points for proof that there is no god.

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#1 Vilot_Hero
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Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered.

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense).

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible.

I think science can prove that god is not real.

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#2 Jester070
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your argument failed. and by the way, God isnt just from christianity and the bible. by disproving the bible, you have not disproved God.

Oh, and i wanted to say this.. there are whole websites dedicated to discussions on this topic. i think it would be smarter to go there, instead of posting all these religious threads in OT, of all places..

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#3 Lockedge
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Your first point is the only one that holds any ground. There's no such thing as miracles, or someone winning/receiving something "by the grace of god". It's coincidence and will.

But please, aren't there enough religious threads?

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#4 DrSponge
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There's nothing that can prove God doesn't exist.
I'm an atheist, by the way.
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#6 Vilot_Hero
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Give me a reason why the bible holds every credit of truth in It?

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#7 tratyu92
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No matter what you do, no matter how much you try, the religious people are not going to stop believing in "God".
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#9 Vilot_Hero
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

Give me a reason why the bible holds every credit of truth in It?

4seal

Ummm... Jesus was a real person. Even the romans say he was real and that he was crucifyed. There. Happy?

Do you have anything official or am I just suppose to beleive your words?(Which I probably don't).
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#10 sammysalsa
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your argument is pretty weak, and if you were truly attacking it from a scientific point of view then you would say;

i do not need to prove god dosen't exist when there is no proof that he does exist to begin with.

Things such as:

What is god? is IT a physical entity, a gas cloud, a living creature, an asteroid, if so, then what?

How can it affect us? it cannot hear us as sound dosen't travel in a vacuum, other reasons?

im actually struggling to think of reasons because there is little to no description of what god actually is and how it has any influence on this planet in the first place... it is pretty unbeleivable in this day and age.

(IMO, plz disregard if in disagreement... no offence intended!)

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dont you ever think that whoever wrote the bible was bored? and just wrote stories because he thought it would be a good book for children to read? i dunno maybe in some parts of the bible
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Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered. You can't honestly use this argument because other people will say "well God answered my prayers and therefore he exists."

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense). The point of the bible is that it wasn't just written by anyone but written by prophets and itself is the word of God. Technically, it could have been written by anyone but the point is that since people believe it was written by those people, it is therefore important.

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

I think science can prove that god is not real. I'd like to see this scientific study please

Vilot_Hero

I'm an athiest too but these arguments aren't that strong.

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there is a lot more to prayer than just praying for what you want then getting it. a prayer shouldn't be treated the same as a "wish".

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#14 Vilot_Hero
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dont you ever think that whoever wrote the bible was bored? and just wrote stories because he thought it would be a good book for children to read? i dunno maybe in some parts of the bible monkey2go
Exactly what I'm thinking. There is no proof that the bible is 100%correct or even close to correct for that matter.
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The atheists real test of faith is when they get a cancer diagnosis.

Youre fate is sealed my friend, or should I say wormfood

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#16 SIapshot
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Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered.

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense).

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible.

I think science can prove that god is not real.

Vilot_Hero
Some religions believe that God is pure energy. Since e=mc2, God is everywhere.
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#17 domatron23
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Conclusive proof that there is no God? Oh boy oh boy.

Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered.

-Okay so that's a point against prayer fair enough, what does it have to do with the existence of God though. It could be that the Christian Bible does not accurately describe God or that he answers prayer in a way that is indistinguishable from the everyday happenings of the world.

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense).

-Again, the inaccuracies in the Christian Bible are not proof against a God.

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible.

-Wow dude, just wow. God generally is considered to be supernatural, eternal and all powerful. What science observes in the natural world implies nothing at all about God.

I think science can prove that god is not real.

-Good luck with that one. Science observes the natural world only and God as I have said is supernatural.

Vilot_Hero

Sorry but these are not solid "proofs" at all. Try again.

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The atheists real test of faith is when they get a cancer diagnosis.

Youre fate is sealed my friend, or should I say wormfood

Schnauzerz

well unless your cremated we all turn into worm food

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Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered.

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense).

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible.

I think science can prove that god is not real.

Vilot_Hero
1. Ok, you proved that over all praying doesn't always work the way people want them to. But that's not really proof against a god... or even really the act of praying doing anything really. Just because the odds of something happening are statistically low doesn't mean it doesn't happen. 2. How does the authors of a specific book being unknown prove that there is no god? That just doesn't logically make sense. 3. 500 years ago, we had no way of proving the existence of radio waves and many other things that we use now. Does that mean they don't exist despite the fact we use them to crank out some pretty mainstream tunes? Lack of understanding =/= proof of the non existence of something. You fail hard. Mostly because you use words like solid and valid when all I saw was weak and fail.
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#20 Vilot_Hero
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

Im not trying to flame peoples religions and such, but I have some pretty valid points that question whether god is real or not.

-Why do people say "god" answers their prayers when It could of been sheer luck? And compared with statistics, the argument is further questionable. The bible said god answers prayers, but peoples "prayers" are mostly if not all unanswered. You can't honestly use this argument because other people will say "well God answered my prayers and therefore he exists."

Which makes what It says in the bible about"God and jesus will answer your prayers"false and incorrect.

-Why do people look up to the bible so much when It could of been written by anyone(It just doesn't logically make sense). The point of the bible is that it wasn't just written by anyone but written by prophets and itself is the word of God. Technically, it could have been written by anyone but the point is that since people believe it was written by those people, it is therefore important.

How is it important if some random person could of written it?There is no logic in that.

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

I think science can prove that god is not real. I'd like to see this scientific study please

kayn83

I'm an athiest too but these arguments aren't that strong.

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Ill laugh the day, if ever, atheists and/or scientists disprove the existance of god and act like they actually accomplished something

If that day comes, you might as well brush up on Brave New World, because that will be your new life.

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#23 Schnauzerz
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[QUOTE="Schnauzerz"]

The atheists real test of faith is when they get a cancer diagnosis.

Youre fate is sealed my friend, or should I say wormfood

alexmurray

well unless your cremated we all turn into worm food

Well our bodies, hopefully our souls go somewhere. I ave faith....it lingers every once and a while but its still there
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#24 alexmurray
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even this man one of the worlds biggest atheists says you can disprove god and you cant disprove a flying spagetti monster

link

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#25 gatorteen
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TC, Like your fellow atheist said. This is a pretty weak aguement. You are not proving anything by your comment.
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#26 Schnauzerz
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[QUOTE="4seal"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

Give me a reason why the bible holds every credit of truth in It?

Vilot_Hero

Ummm... Jesus was a real person. Even the romans say he was real and that he was crucifyed. There. Happy?

Do you have anything official or am I just suppose to beleive your words?(Which I probably don't).

Riiight. Because you expect me to pull a Roman record of crucifixition out of my @ss? Get real buddy

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Oh boy, here we go again...

Buckle up, this could get rough.

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#28 SIapshot
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even this man one of the worlds biggest atheists says you can disprove god and you cant disprove a flying spagetti monster

link

alexmurray
:lol:
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Exactly what I'm thinking. There is no proof that the bible is 100%correct or even close to correct for that matter.Vilot_Hero
Prove to me that anything we see and feel is 100% real. Prove to me that this all isn't just a dream of one person. (probably The_Foreign_Guy if I had to guess.) Prove to me that this isn't all just some computer reality crated for testing means and we're all nothing but a bunch of ones and zeros. I know it seams like you've done a lot of thinking, but you need to do much, much more. And why do you still think that the Christian god is the only one? And that lack of proof = proof against?
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#30 Vilot_Hero
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="4seal"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

Give me a reason why the bible holds every credit of truth in It?

4seal

Ummm... Jesus was a real person. Even the romans say he was real and that he was crucifyed. There. Happy?

Do you have anything official or am I just suppose to beleive your words?(Which I probably don't).

Why dont you go look it up? Everyone knows Jesus was a real person. Even the jews who dont beleive the new testament admit that he was real. They just deny that he was God because they have no idea what there talking about. And everyone on here who has a brain (sorry for getting snotty) knows that Jesus was a real person and wil admit it. No one denys he was real. Plus theres the point that the Bible is used to uncover history, it has history in it, so there is "true stuff" in the bible.

Now the real question is, If Jesus was not God, and the bible is not the word of God, then how did it get all this stuff right?

1. Mark 13:2 "Do you see these large buildings? not one stone here will be left on another that will not be torn down"

This was Jesus talking about the temple in Israel, you can tell if you read the verse before, it makes it clear. Guess what, it was destoryed 40 years later, as is the number of judgement (40).

2. Jermiah 32:37 "behold, I will gather them out of all the lands to which I have driven them in MY anger, in My wearth and in great indignation; and I will bring them back to this place and make them dwell in safty.

This is God talking about the Jews (his people) and he will bring them back into the land that they lost, which is Israel. everyone thought that Israel would enver be a nation again, but guess what? it was made a nation after WW2. After Hitler tried to kill them all. Jee, wonder who was behind trying to kill them all? Maybe it was satan trying to kill the Jews so there would be no people to return to the land. But it did not work. I mean, why do you think Islam wants to kill all the jews? dont you get it?

3. I cant find the verse but I beleive it is in Daniel, it talks about dividing the land, even in times of trouble. What land you may ask? the land is Israel, and the US proposed a plan to devide the land in Israel between the muslims. AND ISRAEL IS OPEN TO IT. Things are being fullfilled right now. And theres plenty more, but I do not have the time to post it all. Ill pray for you. Good night.

I asked you for proof, so I don't see why I have to go look for It. And those were all just lucky guesses like Nostradamus. It still doesn't prove whether the bible is credible or not.
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TC, Like your fellow atheist said. This is a pretty weak aguement. You are not proving anything by your comment.gatorteen

I'm assuming you mean you can't disprove God. Of course, whether your disprove him or not, the argument of Russel's teapot has a lot of power.

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="4seal"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

Give me a reason why the bible holds every credit of truth in It?

Schnauzerz

Ummm... Jesus was a real person. Even the romans say he was real and that he was crucifyed. There. Happy?

Do you have anything official or am I just suppose to beleive your words?(Which I probably don't).

Riiight. Because you expect me to pull a Roman record of crucifixition out of my @ss? Get real buddy

Fughetaboutit, if somebody doesn't believe in the single most documented human being in the history of mankind, they're not going to believe anything.
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#34 Vilot_Hero
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Exactly what I'm thinking. There is no proof that the bible is 100%correct or even close to correct for that matter.VacantPsalm
Prove to me that anything we see and feel is 100% real. Prove to me that this all isn't just a dream of one person. (probably The_Foreign_Guy if I had to guess.) Prove to me that this isn't all just some computer reality crated for testing means and we're all nothing but a bunch of ones and zeros. I know it seams like you've done a lot of thinking, but you need to do much, much more. And why do you still think that the Christian god is the only one? And that lack of proof = proof against?

The world we live in now probably could be a dream or a computer tested world for reality. But It doesn't change the fact that the bible doesn't hold credibility. And thank you for the comment alex:|
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-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

Vilot_Hero

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

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heres the video

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#37 Vilot_Hero
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

domatron23

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Tough crowd here. how do we know if god is eternal? Or even exist for that matter?
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#38 dracula_16
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There's nothing that can prove God doesn't exist.
I'm an atheist, by the way.
DrSponge

Sure there is. The scientific inaccuracy of the bible, and prayers are more than enough convincing evidence.

You can't disprove that I had a hot and passionate night of love with Jessica Alba last week. That doesn't mean that it happened.

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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

Vilot_Hero

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Tough crowd here. how do we know if god is eternal? Or even exist for that matter?

I dont think you are getting what is is saying. He believes that there is a higher power, because the there is not explanation where the universe came from.

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

domatron23

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

I love how people with Greek statue avatars always write so damn bombastically
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

domatron23

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Great enough gravitational forces influence not only space, but time, meaning that the multi-verse has no beginning. There, that was easy.

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#43 alexmurray
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I dont know why people are arguing its not like people are going to change their beliefs on OT
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I dont know why people are arguing its not like people are going to change their beliefs on OTalexmurray

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

domatron23

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Violet_Hero: disproof is a logical fallacy - positive proof is the only rational evidence to support an idea. Hence the invisible teapot and spaghetti monsters.

Domatron23: Does the first cause need to be God?

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This is from an older post, I copied it here because it goes along with what I'm saying, and it has to do with russia. I would like to also add, that syeria is putting russia defences in. Happy reading.

alright, lets get started.RussiaandIranare an alliance, had to say that just in case you have been living under a rock .In fact, they both just signed a huge oil deal.

Israelis getting ready to attackIran's nuke facility's. They have been practicing in order to do in successfully.

Russiahas been speaking out agents an attack byIsrael.

Now what about the Bible, well lets see what it had to say about an event, which is turning out to look like we are very much heading to that event right now.

Ezekiel 38:1-6

"And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Maygog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, Thus says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against you, O gog, Prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal: and I will turn you about, and put hooks into your jaws; and I will bring forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords; Persia, Cush and put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer, and all of his hordes; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his hordes; even many peoples with you."

This is talking about an invasion onIsrael. As seen in verse 14-15

"Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord God, "on that day when my peopleIsraelare living securely, will you not know it? You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army;"

Now how does that apply to today? Let me show you. The following is taken from the book "The Footsteps of the Messiah" by Dr. Arnod G. Fruchtenbaum

"In verses 1-4, attention is centered on Gog, leader of thelandofMaygog. He is the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. Who Gog will be can only be determined at the time of the invasion, for "Gog" is not a proper name but a title of the ruler of Magog. Just as the terms "pharaoh," "Kaiser," and "czar" where titles of rulers and not proper names. Whoever is ruling this alliance at the time of the invasion will be Ezekiel's Gog. The identification of Magog, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal is to be determined from the fact that these tribes of the ancient world occupied the areas of modern-dayRussia. Magog, Meshech, and Tubal where between the black and Caspian Seas, which today issouthernRussia. It also includes part ofIranandTurkey.

According to some, the tribes of Meshech and Tubal later gave names to cities that today bear the names ofMoscow, the capital, and Tobolsk, a major city in Urals inSiberia. Rosh was in what is nownorthernRussia. The name of Rosh is the basis for the modern nameRussia. These names, then cover the modern territories of northern andsouthernRussiainEuropeandSiberiato the east inAsia. The modern nation ofRussiaencompasses all these areas of Ezekiel. As if to avoid and further possible doubt, verse six adds that these come from the uttermost parts of the north. This is repeated in 38:15 and 39:3. FromIsraelthe uttermost parts of the north isRussia, withMoscowbeing almost a straight line due north fromJerusalem. Hence,Russiais the leader of the northern confederacy, with Gog as the leader ofRussia."

"ButRussiais not alone is the invasion ofIsraelShe is part of a confederacy and the leader of it. Other nations involved are listed in verses 5-6. Involed in the in the confederacy is Persia, or present-dayIran.

So, how does a book of "myths" or a book that is old and holds no relevancy to today. Seems to do so? Did it get this right by chance? Or is there really a God, I think there is a God. And he is the God of the bible. So if that was not enough for you, here is some more.

Luke 21:10

"Then he continued to by saying to them,"nation will rise against nation and Kingdom against Kingdom, and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven"

We have had earthquakes, huge ones lately. And terrors, we all know about that. Not bad for an old book huh?

Jesus is coming back soon. All these things are signs of the last days. Please accept his gift of eternal life. Jesus by dieing on the cross for your sins, the gift has been made available to you. All you must do is accept it and pick up your cross and follow him. The wages of sin is death, but Jesus paid the price for you.

That's all I have to say, which was a lot. Thanks to all of you taking the time to read it.

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Wow, how hard was it to predict that there'd be a coupe of earthquakes, a sickness or two somewhere in the world, and at some point two nations that hated each-other would fight. Just because I say that the sun will rise in the east doesn't mean I'm a profit.

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Great enough gravitational forces influence not only space, but time, meaning that the multi-verse has no beginning. There, that was easy. Tylendal

Eternity - are you sure? If time relates to space, how is eternity possible?

What about the big bang?

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

gatorteen

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument forthe existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Tough crowd here. how do we know if god is eternal? Or even exist for that matter?

I dont think you are getting what is is saying. He believes that there is a higher power, because the there is not explanation where the universe came from.

But how do we know if there even is a higher power? There could of been one matter particle that had a special DNA(Sounds corny and unlikely, but It is still plausible).
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#49 domatron23
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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]

-If everything is made up of matter, then how Is It possible for god to be created or to be in existence, If there was nothing from the start? And If god just magically appeared, then how could he of created the world? Its scientifically impossible. Its the whole chicken or the egg argument again. How could the big bang suddenly exist? Spontaneous and random occurences exist that are unfortunately beyond the lines of logic and reason.

Which logically, god couldnt exist because nothing cant just create some sort of entity or presense.

Vilot_Hero

What you are referring to is actually the cosmological argument for the existence of God, not against. You noted that something can not just be made from nothing- how do you explain the existence of the universe then? The answer traditionally is God who is eternal, uncaused, unmade, unmoved and not in accordance of the logical rules of the universe.

Seriously your arguments are really quite weak.

Tough crowd here. how do we know if god is eternal? Or even exist for that matter?

We're being tough on you because these are very basic objections which have been stomped for as long as God has been believed in. Here's an argument for God's eternity:

P1 Everything physical that begins must have a cause

P2 Something that is physical cannot exist infinitely

P3 The universe is physical and it began

P4 therefore the universe must be caused by something non-physical that never began (was eternal)

Go and do some research on Thomas Aquinas.

Now as for the existence of God in relation to this argument here is something that you might be interested in.

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Beleif in God is not only held by christians, and generally most theists will say God always existed.