I Think I've Decided on my Career, Is 40K Enough?

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#1 brandontwb
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Well I think I want to become a video game level designer, but I just found out you only make about 40K a year to start out with. Is that enough to live comfortably?

Also if anyone knows any good schools where you can learn to develop games as a team or something like that, please let me know. :)

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#2 Dark__Link
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Depends where and how you live.
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#3 dragonfly110
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if you are just planning on living in an apartment youll be living a great life.

if you plan on starting a family with a house in a good neighborhood though youll be pushing it a bit, but oyu should be fine, as long as your spouse works as well.

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#4 AutoPilotOn
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yea depends on what your call comfortably or where you live. Given how I live now 40k would be like living like a king lol.
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#5 wstfld
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More than I make.
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#6 Foolio1
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Depends where and how you live.Dark__Link

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

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#7 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Depends where and how you live.Foolio1

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.
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#8 dragonfly110
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[QUOTE="Foolio1"]

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Depends where and how you live.Dark__Link

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.

what's your definition of comfortably? :? maid service and monthly vacations? My mom made half of that when it was just me and her and we lived an amazing life.

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#9 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Foolio1"]

Depends where and how you live.Dark__Link

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.

are your talking a whole family with a kid or two or just yourself? I dont know how 40k would not be enough for one person to live comfortably.
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#10 IcyToasters
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Foolio1"]

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

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Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.

are your talking a whole family with a kid or two or just yourself? I dont know how 40k would not be enough for one person to live comfortably.


From my understanding, cities like New York and San Fransisco have rediculously high costs for living.

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#11 XilePrincess
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Living alone on that much shouldn't be hard as long as you're not stupid with your money.
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#12 AutoPilotOn
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I understand that but he said nomatter where he lived.
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#13 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Foolio1"]

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

dragonfly110

Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.

what's your definition of comfortably? :? maid service and monthly vacations? My mom made half of that when it was just me and her and we lived an amazing life.

When I don't have to think about money. When there's never a point where I go, "wait, can I really afford this...?" I was netting $40k/yr. at one point, and while I had a nice $1500/mo. apartment, I felt severely limited in what I could buy past necessity and I'd always be crunching numbers and worrying.
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#14 Ringx55
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As long as your spouse does as well that's fine.
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#15 AutoPilotOn
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holy crap? 1500 a month? And I thought my 650 was high, I have a pretty big 2 bedroom apt too. I am so used to thinking about if I should get something or wait, or saving up a couple weeks or months to get something I dont even think about that as not living comfortably.
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#16 dragonfly110
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[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"] Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.Dark__Link

what's your definition of comfortably? :? maid service and monthly vacations? My mom made half of that when it was just me and her and we lived an amazing life.

When I don't have to think about money. When there's never a point where I go, "wait, can I really afford this...?" I was netting $40k/yr. at one point, and while I had a nice $1500/mo. apartment, I felt severely limited in what I could buy past necessity and I'd always be crunching numbers and worrying.

i guess that makes sense :P

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#17 Lastemperor28
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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

Well I think I want to become a video game level designer, but I just found out you only make about 40K a year to start out with. Is that enough to live comfortably?

Also if anyone knows any good schools where you can learn to develop games as a team or something like that, please let me know. :)

An easy way to gauge how you'll live comfortably is by comparing that 40,000 per year to what your parents make. I say this because a lot of people have different definitions of comfortable, largely depending on their lifestyles as a child.
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#18 SmittyPeppers
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You tell me.
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#19 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Foolio1"]

This, but in most places that will be more than enough to support one person very comfortably.

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Also depends how you define "comfortably." No matter where I lived, I know $40k isn't even close to enough for me to live comfortably.

are your talking a whole family with a kid or two or just yourself? I dont know how 40k would not be enough for one person to live comfortably.

Just myself. Here would be my breakdown @ $40k/yr.

Apartment: $1250/mo.

Utilities: $200/mo.

Car + insurance: $600/mo.

Food: $500/mo.

Gas: $150/mo.

Other insurances/bills: $300

Savings/disposable income: $300

Sure, I can easily live on that... but it's just not "comfortable" to me. If I'm not putting anything toward savings, and have only $300 left over per month, then I'm CONSTANTLY worrying about money... so I'm not comfortable.

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#20 Dark__Link
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holy crap? 1500 a month? And I thought my 650 was high, I have a pretty big 2 bedroom apt too. I am so used to thinking about if I should get something or wait, or saving up a couple weeks or months to get something I dont even think about that as not living comfortably.AutoPilotOn
I was working away from home for a few months in a bad location, and it was really the only short-term lease available. Nicer than I'd usually go for, and I'm sure they jacked up the price since I was only going to be there for a relatively short time.
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#21 AutoPilotOn
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It definitly depends on what you find comfortable. As you see here to some 40k is bearly getting by while others are happy with 20k or so.
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#22 brandontwb
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Thanks for the responses guys. I guess 40K would be good, but all I ever hear from classmates and stuff is how they'll be making 80K+ a year being a doctor or engineer, and it's a little depressing settling for so much less. I think I would really enjoy what I do though, despite ending up on the computer probably a lot more than I should be. I just need to learn more about what to do for post secondary education. P.S. I'm in grade 12 and live in Canada.
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#23 AutoPilotOn
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If you enjoy your work and you can support yourself then who cares?
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#24 Punjabiking101
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I find it surpised that everyone thinks 40K is high, but then again I do live close to San Francisco :P. It should be a decent amount if you live in an apartment, and don't go crazy with it.
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#25 AutoPilotOn
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40k isnt rich by any means but I would consider myself very very happy to make that much.
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#26 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Thanks for the responses guys. I guess 40K would be good, but all I ever hear from classmates and stuff is how they'll be making 80K+ a year being a doctor or engineer, and it's a little depressing settling for so much less. I think I would really enjoy what I do though, despite ending up on the computer probably a lot more than I should be. I just need to learn more about what to do for post secondary education. P.S. I'm in grade 12 and live in Canada.

If you really enjoy that kind of stuff, go for it. It's always better to do something you love for less money, than something boring or monotonous for more. Don't worry though, none of your engineer friends will be making more than $70-75k/yr. out of school.
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#27 carrot-cake
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For right out of school 40k is alright, but not in the long term.

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#28 AutoPilotOn
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lol its so weird to see just how different people can think about money. Where I am from 40k would make one hell of a living for a single person. And if you were married and had a wife that pulled in the same... damn
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]Thanks for the responses guys. I guess 40K would be good, but all I ever hear from classmates and stuff is how they'll be making 80K+ a year being a doctor or engineer, and it's a little depressing settling for so much less. I think I would really enjoy what I do though, despite ending up on the computer probably a lot more than I should be. I just need to learn more about what to do for post secondary education. P.S. I'm in grade 12 and live in Canada.

If you really enjoy that kind of stuff, go for it. It's always better to do something you love for less money, than something boring or monotonous for more. Don't worry though, none of your engineer friends will be making more than $70-75k/yr. out of school.

My brother makes 80k/yr? I guess it is kind of because he advanced really fast through the company, but with bonus his salary was that high from the start.
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#30 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]Thanks for the responses guys. I guess 40K would be good, but all I ever hear from classmates and stuff is how they'll be making 80K+ a year being a doctor or engineer, and it's a little depressing settling for so much less. I think I would really enjoy what I do though, despite ending up on the computer probably a lot more than I should be. I just need to learn more about what to do for post secondary education. P.S. I'm in grade 12 and live in Canada.Mousetaches
If you really enjoy that kind of stuff, go for it. It's always better to do something you love for less money, than something boring or monotonous for more. Don't worry though, none of your engineer friends will be making more than $70-75k/yr. out of school.

My brother makes 80k/yr? I guess it is kind of because he advanced really fast through the company, but with bonus his salary was that high from the start.

"With bonus." And I never said it was impossible... just highly unlikely since the average is around $65k.

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#31 campzor
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as a lot of jobs you can always progress through the ranks and turn that 40k into something better. Not sure about any schools though.
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#32 Dead-Memories
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gameproduction would be a dream job for me, but it's a very unforgiving field of work to be in from what I understand, so I strayed off of it.

but it comes down to nepotism with a lot of those jobs, it's who you know.

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#33 UnknownElement4
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It all depends on where you live. I think 40k is very very good, especially for a starting pay. You shouldn't have really any problems with living by yourself either.

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#34 darkfox101
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40k would be alot for me lol. I'm stuck with my parents still 9 an hour part time job -_-
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#35 bloodling
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It's more than enough for me! Some people just keep wanting more and more and more... I have no problem cutting my expenses.

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#36 AutoPilotOn
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finally my fellow "poor" people come in and make me feel better. lol Talking about 40k like its OK for a starting wage is just shocking to me.
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#37 brandontwb
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gameproduction would be a dream job for me, but it's a very unforgiving field of work to be in from what I understand, so I strayed off of it.

but it comes down to nepotism with a lot of those jobs, it's who you know.

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There's so much I don't know about the field. I just started mapping with Hammer for Left 4 Dead 2. That and I'm taking computer science, advanced functions, data, calculus so hopefully I can get into a school for video games.
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#38 GranDogTurismo
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Honestly, No. They say happiness>>>>money. Not true... in any bit. You can't be happy working at mcdonalds or making 30,000$ in some dinky little computer store. Become a doctor or lawyer. Or if you think you could be the next King. Become a writer.
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And plus the gaming industry has become a joke with DLC and DRM and ACTIVISION.
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And plus the gaming industry has become a joke with DLC and DRM and ACTIVISION.GranDogTurismo

as much as I hate activision they are one of the core reasons the gaming industry is as big as it is today. They milk there franchises too much, but they did the polar opposite of making the industry considered a joke.

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[QUOTE="GranDogTurismo"]Honestly, No. They say happiness>>>>money. Not true... in any bit. You can't be happy working at mcdonalds or making 30,000$ in some dinky little computer store. Become a doctor or lawyer. Or if you think you could be the next King. Become a writer.

Well obviously because you're not happy working there.
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#42 GranDogTurismo
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[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="GranDogTurismo"]Honestly, No. They say happiness>>>>money. Not true... in any bit. You can't be happy working at mcdonalds or making 30,000$ in some dinky little computer store. Become a doctor or lawyer. Or if you think you could be the next King. Become a writer.

Well obviously because you're not happy working there.

Look, the bottom line is. Yes, do what makes you happy. But you GOT to have standards... You can't skip school and just work at mcdonalds. Well i guess you could BUT I DONT RECOMMEND IT! Do what makes you happy yes? But also do what provides for your well-being and your family's
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#43 mrbojangles25
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I live comfortably on 18k a year in California, so yea...starting out, 40k a year is very very very good.

Just realize that you really must love what youre doing, because the majority of stories speak of 60+ hour weeks normally, with no time off for holidays. I know someone who works for Lucasarts, and he didnt get holidays off...he had to pop out of work for like 5 hours on thanksgiving, ate dinner, then went back to work until 3AM, then went back to work at like 8AM. That was during crunch time, mind you, but still...

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#44 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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It's enough, but not too great or anything. What matters most is if you actually enjoy it though. If it makes you happy then do it. If it doesn't, then find something else with a higher paycheck.

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That is enough for just you for sure.

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#46 artichoke
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You'll be fine, especially if you're still single. Heck my mom survives on that much with 3 kids living in Cali. Admittedly my dad helps cover a lot of our costs but if he wasn't around she'd still be able to manage and we would of been ok. I know it's great to aim for those high paying jobs like all your friends are but as long as you're happy with what you're doing and you're able to pay the bills you'll be just fine.
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#47 loft8000
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Yeah thats decent enough, and if its a job you actually enjoy then go for it, its better to have a job that you enjoy and get payed a bit less for than one you hate and get paid more for.

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#48 jrhawk42
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actually you'll probably be making less than that.

look for entry level game industry jobs. None of them are 40k, and very few are entry level. Even w/ a 4 year degree, and a good portfolio you won't find well paying work in the gaming industry w/out experience.

The game industry is very catch-22/secret society. You can't get a job until you have experience, and you can't get experience w/ out a job. And with good reason the gaming industry has a lot of inside information which is kinda hard to explain until you've actually done a development cycle.

As far as schooling goes I can't say I've heard of too many actually bad schools. Sadly most people think "hey I'll graduate from here, and get a job". Well that's not the way it works in the game industry. Developers don't care about your degree or where you got it, but they do care about your skills (which you may or may not of picked up while working towards your degree).

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#49 Sagem28
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40K a year is insanely high in my country :shock:, and I am fortunate enough to live in one of thewealthiest regions in the world.
I make about 22k a year and I have a very comfy life, can afford luxuries. So 40K in my book is very very VERY good .

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First year out and getting $40,000 before tax isn't that bad. I'm going into marketing/public relations, which has an "averaging minimum" of $60,000 a year. My mate is doing mechanical engineering and their "average minimum" is $50,000. However it isn't just about the money, you have to enjoy what you do too