if 11 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 are still alive....

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]Dont bother with MrGeezer, he mindlessly believes the world works the way it seems to. By the way, MrGeezer, these reports would NEVER end up in a so-called "respectable" journal. If 9/11 was indeed caused by the government, do you really think they would let them publish it? Plain common sense. So either look it up for yourself, or just admit you are close minded. Your definitely not open, that's for sure.MrGeezer

Right, sort of like how the government never let respectable journals reveal the truth about Watergate.

If there WAS any evidence that the United States government had any involvement in the 9/11 attacks, there's no ****ing way that stuff would get held back. The cover-up idea is just frankly moronic, because it ignores just how much people would BENEFIT from "exposing the truth". If the New York Times or something was absolutely able to come up with real tangible proof for this, they could get the story out to millions of people before the evil government had a chance to do a goddamn thing. Whoever provided the evidence proving that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by our own government would be hailed as one of the greatest heroes in America's history. They'd have book deals, get paid to do interviews, you name it. You don't think that instant fame, fortune, and national adulation would be enough for SOMEONE to come forward?

Don't make me laugh.

If there was evidence, bona-fide hard evidence rather than just some nutcase saying ****, then it would ABSOLUTELY end up in a respectable journal. To say otherwise is to be completely and utterly ignorant about the entire concept of selfish motives. Even if we accept that all these sources on't CARE about bringing to justice the people responsible, we STILL have to remember that whoever breaks this story first, and has the evidence to back it up, would be hailed as a ****ing king.

Funny thing about conspiracy theorists is just how SILLY what they're saying usually is. The excuse their lack of evidence by saying "think about it! Even if there was evidence, they'd never reveal it!"

Alright...I just DID think about it, and that line of reasoning is freaking STUPID. If any respectable journal had solid evidence for this, they'd ****ing absolutely reveal it. There's absolutely no goddamn reason for them NOT to.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

Why would anyone NOT believe the world works as it seems to? If everything points to the world working one way, if the world seems to work one way, it would be illogical to think otherwise.

HomicidalCherry

Maybe I'm just being nitpicky with the semantics, but if significant credible evidence points to another possibility, that possibility becomes what things seem, at least to me.

As for conspiracy theories, I've researched my share. They have been a waste of time every single time, as the peopel who come up with these theories often blatantly ignore facts. Oh well, I'm sure one or two of them out there are true. I just don't have the time or will to find out which.:D

Again, that worked out SO well with the Watergate scandal.

Yeah, everyone who doesn't reveal the truth is part of the shadow government. And somehow, not a single source allegedly showing the evidence to the public has been able to escape the confines of the underground conspiracy scene.

Yeah...and you have the nerve to accuse other people of being closed-minded.

Again, that worked out SO well with the Watergate scandal.

Yeah, everyone who doesn't reveal the truth is part of the shadow government. And somehow, not a single source allegedly showing the evidence to the public has been able to escape the confines of the underground conspiracy scene.

Yeah...and you have the nerve to accuse other people of being closed-minded.

MrGeezer

Point: Major and respectable news publications would ever give credence to this story, because the "shadow government" perpetrated the attacks, and they want it to be secret.

Counterpoint: The Watergate scandal brought down the goddamn President of the United States of America. Was the shadow government not around back then? Or were they on vacation or something?

Point: Of course no major publication will show the proof that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks! After all, those sources are controlled by the shadow government!

Counterpoint: Apparently, you are saying that the "shadow government" controls EVERYTHING. That is, except for the fringe sources that you trust. This shadow government apparently has no problem controlling ALL serious news publications in the USA, as well as somehow controls ALL the scientists, engineers, etc. As well as controlling the media in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY, hence the reason why no one takes that evidence to a different country and has it published there instead. You're talking about a super-secret shadow organization that ALREADY controls both the major international media, as well as THE ENTIRE GLOBAL SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. And yet, they're somehow unable to get at the fringe conspiracy theory community that keeps on bringin the truth. You're saying that the "shadow government" has a stranglehold on nearly ALL respectable sources on the entire freaking planet, but somehow hasn't yet managed to keep "random conspiracy theory guy" from presenting the truth.

Why don't YOU think about this for a second? If YOUR fringe conspiracy theory sources allegedly have real and tangible evidence that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by the US government, then why are they allowing YOU GUYS to get the evidence out?

Point: Major and respectable news publications would ever give credence to this story, because the "shadow government" perpetrated the attacks, and they want it to be secret.

Counterpoint: The Watergate scandal brought down the goddamn President of the United States of America. Was the shadow government not around back then? Or were they on vacation or something?

Point: Of course no major publication will show the proof that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks! After all, those sources are controlled by the shadow government!

Counterpoint: Apparently, you are saying that the "shadow government" controls EVERYTHING. That is, except for the fringe sources that you trust. This shadow government apparently has no problem controlling ALL serious news publications in the USA, as well as somehow controls ALL the scientists, engineers, etc. As well as controlling the media in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY, hence the reason why no one takes that evidence to a different country and has it published there instead. You're talking about a super-secret shadow organization that ALREADY controls both the major international media, as well as THE ENTIRE GLOBAL SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. And yet, they're somehow unable to get at the fringe conspiracy theory community that keeps on bringin the truth. You're saying that the "shadow government" has a stranglehold on nearly ALL respectable sources on the entire freaking planet, but somehow hasn't yet managed to keep "random conspiracy theory guy" from presenting the truth.

Why don't YOU think about this for a second? If YOUR fringe conspiracy theory sources allegedly have real and tangible evidence that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by the US government, then why are they allowing YOU GUYS to get the evidence out?

MrGeezer

For your first counterpoint: That was the intention of the Watergate scandal, to BRING DOWN the president. They wanted that and they succeeded. A lot of people think Oswald killed John Kennedy as well, he didn't. Oswald may have been part of the whole thing, but he was largely killed by them because he wouldn't keep quiet and the last speech he gave he was about to tell everyone about them. Look it up, Kennedy alludes to the Illuminati, quite heavily in fact. But he couldn't say too much because he knew THEY were watching. If you cant trust the best president, the ONLY president in recent times that actually cared about the American people, who can you trust?

For your second counterpoint: Yes, they do control everything you mentioned, its pretty much a monopoly. However, as powerful as they are, they aren't God. They dont possess a power to be omniscient. There are countless people who are aware of their existence, this is by no means a fringe thing. And anyway, whatever is done in darkness will eventually come into the light, it always does. Fifty years ago it would be extremely hard to know about all this stuff, but because of the internet, its impossible to contain the information. Also, there are often defectors who leave the Illuminati groups and get the truth out. Its usually short lived though as they are often killed for it. John Todd is one such person, and William Cooper.

That's all im going to say on the subject, if you want to know more you'll have to find out on your own. Unless you PM me.

Bottom line is that it is a meticulously crafted fantasy world in which the believer is special, while 99.999% of the world consists of either total morons or cartoonish supervillains.

It's a world in which conspiracy theorists are allowed to justify to themselves that they are special, a shining beacon of light in a world full of crap.

Anyone who doesn't buy into your beliefs is automatically either a stupid mindless sheep, or A ****ING MONSTER who willfully and voluntarily lies about the truth, while letting the real murderers get away with it.

And any time anyone ever brings up the question of why the "shadow government" lets you guys present the real truth despite the fact tat they somehow managed to CONTROL THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD, you get to shake your fists and say "they may have taken over the world, but they'll never stop me!"

Anyone can see the appeal. It's like those people are pretending that they are in a real life videogame where they are the heroes. They don't have to DO anything in order to feel special, all they have to do is BELIEVE pretty much ANYTHING that allows them the illusion of being the stereotypical "lone hero in a world gone mad".

I look at how you've crafted this elaborate fantasy, carefully set up that world so that you cannot ever, even in theory ever be proven wrong, and I just feel nothing but pity for those people.

Bottom line is that it is a meticulously crafted fantasy world in which the believer is special, while 99.999% of the world consists of either total morons or cartoonish supervillains.

It's a world in which conspiracy theorists are allowed to justify to themselves that they are special, a shining beacon of light in a world full of crap.

Anyone who doesn't buy into your beliefs is automatically either a stupid mindless sheep, or A ****ING MONSTER who willfully and voluntarily lies about the truth, while letting the real murderers get away with it.

And any time anyone ever brings up the question of why the "shadow government" lets you guys present the real truth despite the fact tat they somehow managed to CONTROL THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD, you get to shake your fists and say "they may have taken over the world, but they'll never stop me!"

Anyone can see the appeal. It's like those people are pretending that they are in a real life videogame where they are the heroes. They don't have to DO anything in order to feel special, all they have to do is BELIEVE pretty much ANYTHING that allows them the illusion of being the stereotypical "lone hero in a world gone mad".

I look at how you've crafted this elaborate fantasy, carefully set up that world so that you cannot ever, even in theory ever be proven wrong, and I just feel nothing but pity for those people.

MrGeezer

Whoa, now that's a whole lot of stupid mindless assumptions. The hero you say? Like I said, I dont give a damn what people think of me. Like me or hate me, I dont care. I'm telling you what I know. You may have ran into the dicks of the "truth movement" but I am not one of them. And how can you continue to say its fantasy when Kennedy talked about the conspiracy? I really dont get it. I'm not coming on this forum and telling you and others this because I want to feel superior. I'm not trying to say "I know something you dont HAHA!".

I came here, saw people were still duped into believing the false story of 9/11, so I decided to put a little of what I know on here. How can I be proven wrong by the way? Are you going to do it? So far, you haven't looked at anything I posted. And judging by your offensive attitude you wont look this stuff up either. So if these are ever proven wrong, it wont be by you or anyone who is as offensive as you.

Also, I never said they couldn't get me, or im invincible. I said that there are countless people who know of them. Just because you refuse to look at the proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The video "Zero" has more credibiliy than any of you wacky OT posters who don't know crap or live in denial cause your scared s*** of the truth.

There are testimonies of people from the FBI, Air force, military, physicists, scientists, journalists, firefighters and police, and you nut cases have the nerve to discredit these people?

/facepalm

OBLOK

But you know what, I'll take a look at it.

EDIT: okay. I took a look at the first video on Google. So it starts off with a panicked phone call of someone trapped in the towers. Then posters of Bin Laden and stock footage of Bush. Typical. Not even Michael Moore is this shameless. Then it goes into old hat about Bin Laden "Not Wanted for 9/11." I skip along later and it goes into the "towers were designed to withstand plane impact."

Yeah, I'm not getting anything different. Same old crap, just new packaging. So many years, and this is the best you've got?

Oh, and the firefighters? The FDNY doesn't endorse the conspiracy theories at all.

Don't you dare say I'm "afraid of the truth" or "I haven't done the research." I've looked into a lot of it, and I find nothing but stupidity, lies, misinformation, and agendas (hidden or otherwise) on the part of the so-called "truth" movement.

And you know what? The likes of AE911Truth and various organizations have failed again and again to get their findings published in peer-reviewed academic literature. Why? Because the physicists and scientists who support the 9/11 Truth Movement are in a tiny minority. The rest of the scientific community laughs at them, and that's only if they care/know that they exist. You want to talk about the "nerve to discredit people?" Your little truth movement implicates that the Fire Department of New York in the attacks. It's also sought to defame NIST, which has a much larger body of scientists and physicists than any 9/11 Truth organization, and actually bothers to peer review their work.

9/11 truthers are some of the most uncouth people I have ever met. Do they actually have any desire to "enlighten" people or is it all just for their own ego? Because they sure get beligerent when someone disagrees with them.

I've noticed that conspiracy theorists have a higher rate of getting banned on Gamespot. Government conspiracy?

9/11 truthers are some of the most uncouth people I have ever met. Do they actually have any desire to "enlighten" people or is it all just for their own ego? Because they sure get beligerent when someone disagrees with them.

I've noticed that conspiracy theorists have a higher rate of getting banned on Gamespot. Government conspiracy?

IndigoSunrise

9/11 truthers are some of the most uncouth people I have ever met. Do they actually have any desire to "enlighten" people or is it all just for their own ego? Because they sure get beligerent when someone disagrees with them.

I've noticed that conspiracy theorists have a higher rate of getting banned on Gamespot. Government conspiracy?

IndigoSunrise

9/11 truthers are some of the most uncouth people I have ever met. Do they actually have any desire to "enlighten" people or is it all just for their own ego? Because they sure get beligerent when someone disagrees with them.

I've noticed that conspiracy theorists have a higher rate of getting banned on Gamespot. Government conspiracy?

Then give them the injection.

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]

9/11 truthers are some of the most uncouth people I have ever met. Do they actually have any desire to "enlighten" people or is it all just for their own ego? Because they sure get beligerent when someone disagrees with them.

I've noticed that conspiracy theorists have a higher rate of getting banned on Gamespot. Government conspiracy?

xaos

So basicilly they invent a elaborate fantasy world where they are among the few fighting against the New World Order the Illumnati and the Templars? Via places like Gamespot? If the conspiracy was real they would all be dead. IndigoSunrise

You saw the exchange that I just had with a dude.

These guys present NO evidence. They continue to bombard people with lies and misinformation, until people stop entertaining their sources. They then immediately say "ignorant sheep! You won't look at my sources, because you're afraid of the truth!"

If you ever debunk their "evidence" with proof from a reliable source, they'll say that YOUR proof is a lie, perpetuated by a shadow government.

If you ask why this supposed "proof" never ends up making it into any reliable sources, they say it's because the shadow government controls THE ENTIRE WORLD. And yet somehow hasn't been able to shut down their crappy little website.

And it boils down to them trying to feel special. In a world in which you can imagine EVERYONE as being a gaping hole of stupidity, OF COURSE these people are going to feel special. They're part of an elite minority who hasn't been totally brainwashed. In a world in which the government controls EVERYTHING, of course these people are going to feel special. They wake up every day thinking that they are the only ones that the government hasn't been able to silence. You're damn right these people feel special.

But it's nothing more than a videogame-style fantasy. A fantasy world in which everyone they pass is either a stupid sheep, or an evil killer who has no problem helping to murder thousands of innocent people. And their fantasy is constructed in such a way that they can NEVER be convinced that they're wrong. Provide PROOF that they are wrong, and they'll just scream "it's a conspiracy!"

Dont bother with MrGeezer, he mindlessly believes the world works the way it seems to.JudgementEden

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]So basicilly they invent a elaborate fantasy world where they are among the few fighting against the New World Order the Illumnati and the Templars? Via places like Gamespot? If the conspiracy was real they would all be dead. MrGeezer

You saw the exchange that I just had with a dude.

These guys present NO evidence. They continue to bombard people with lies and misinformation, until people stop entertaining their sources. They then immediately say "ignorant sheep! You won't look at my sources, because you're afraid of the truth!"

If you ever debunk their "evidence" with proof from a reliable source, they'll say that YOUR proof is a lie, perpetuated by a shadow government.

If you ask why this supposed "proof" never ends up making it into any reliable sources, they say it's because the shadow government controls THE ENTIRE WORLD. And yet somehow hasn't been able to shut down their crappy little website.

And it boils down to them trying to feel special. In a world in which you can imagine EVERYONE as being a gaping hole of stupidity, OF COURSE these people are going to feel special. They're part of an elite minority who hasn't been totally brainwashed. In a world in which the government controls EVERYTHING, of course these people are going to feel special. They wake up every day thinking that they are the only ones that the government hasn't been able to silence. You're damn right these people feel special.

But it's nothing more than a videogame-style fantasy. A fantasy world in which everyone they pass is either a stupid sheep, or an evil killer who has no problem helping to murder thousands of innocent people. And their fantasy is constructed in such a way that they can NEVER be convinced that they're wrong. Provide PROOF that they are wrong, and they'll just scream "it's a conspiracy!"