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#51 domatron23
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[QUOTE="Curlyfrii87"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I don't think it suggests otherwise though.Teenaged

Maybe not directly, but if you look close enough you might find that it does.

Like when Cain was banished from Eden, he was wondering the wilderness and from out of nowhere, he found a wife! :o Adam and Eve only had 3 kids, all of which were boys. It doesn't directly suggest it no, but some events point that way.

I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.

Gen 5:4
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#52 Curlyfrii87
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I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.Teenaged

I've never heard that before. The bible recordes 3 boys, Cain, Able, and Seth. Do you know the verse? (Not saying i don't believe that someone told you that, just i've never read such a thing. :P )

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#53 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Curlyfrii87"]

Maybe not directly, but if you look close enough you might find that it does.

Like when Cain was banished from Eden, he was wondering the wilderness and from out of nowhere, he found a wife! :o Adam and Eve only had 3 kids, all of which were boys. It doesn't directly suggest it no, but some events point that way.

domatron23

I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.

Gen 5:4

I don't have a Bible in front of me, so I don't know what those verses mean to show... :P Please be more specific.

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#54 RushMetallica
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Yes it is, here's the formula: White couple ? Many races. Simple if you think about it.
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#55 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.Curlyfrii87

I've never heard that before. The bible recordes 3 boys, Cain, Able, and Seth. Do you know the verse? (Not saying i don't believe that someone told you that, just i've never read such a thing. :P )

I think it was Crushmaster or Blackregiment, not quite sure, though. But I had to believe them because I was given the verses. It must be still in one of Crushmasters threads. If you have the courage to search that huge threads... :P
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#56 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.Curlyfrii87

I've never heard that before. The bible recordes 3 boys, Cain, Able, and Seth. Do you know the verse? (Not saying i don't believe that someone told you that, just i've never read such a thing. :P )

Ya, as domatron mentioned, Genesis 5:4 states, "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."
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#57 Curlyfrii87
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Gen 5:4domatron23

I stand corrected. :o

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#58 Astrapsody
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I am an ambassador from planet Querlin. We demand all your boddle-bumps and glirshes. Give them to us...now! *wergah wergah wergah*

P.S. - Don't take drugs (or the Bible)

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I don't see any boddle-bumps or glirshes in front of me. I need results people!
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#59 domatron23
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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I was given exact verses from Evangelists were it said that Adam and Eve also had daughters if I remember correctly.Teenaged
Gen 5:4

I don't have a Bible in front of me, so I don't know what those verses mean to show... :P Please be more specific.

My bad, it says: "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters"
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#60 Theokhoth
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It means that billions of people over the course of human life have had sex with members of their own family.Legendaryscmt

That's how it is either way. . .

Anywho, I think the main YEC answer is that micro-evolution helped create different races after the All-Explaining Flood of Noah.

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#61 domatron23
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EDIT: stupid html errors making me double post.
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#62 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="domatron23"] Gen 5:4domatron23

I don't have a Bible in front of me, so I don't know what those verses mean to show... :P Please be more specific.

My bad, it says:

"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters"

And living 800 years I'd be willing to bet he kept busy.

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#63 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I don't have a Bible in front of me, so I don't know what those verses mean to show... :P Please be more specific.

Theokhoth

My bad, it says:

"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters"

And living 800 years I'd be willing to bet he kept busy.

Poor Eve! How many long, hot nights must she have suffered...
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two little people can have a baby that grows up and be normal size and normal size people can have little people. WHY? because that's how God wanted that person to be and the same goes for the different races in the world. God knew everything about everyone long before they were born.
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#65 domatron23
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two little people can have a baby that grows up and be normal size and normal size people can have little people. WHY? because that's how God wanted that person to be and the same goes for the different races in the world. God knew everything about everyone long before they were born.jaredm80
I would have said recessive genes myself or perhaps mutation but whatever.
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#66 mindstorm
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And living 800 years I'd be willing to bet he kept busy.

Theokhoth

I once tried to figure out how many people could have been on the earth before the flood. I once heard (which means it may or may not be true) that Jewish tradition states Adam and Even had 62 children. If these children each had 40 children, each of these had 20 children, and continued to have 20 children with each generation then by the time of the flood there could have been trillions of people upon the earth. No wonder Cain would have need to a mark on his head in order to be recognized for his sin... o.0

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#67 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

And living 800 years I'd be willing to bet he kept busy.

mindstorm

I once tried to figure out how many people could have been on the earth before the flood. I once heard (which means it may or may not be true) that Jewish tradition states Adam and Even had 62 children. If these children each had 40 children, each of these had 20 children, and continued to have 20 children with each generation then by the time of the flood there could have been trillions of people upon the earth. No wonder Cain would have need to a mark on his head in order to be recognized for his sin... o.0

But still judging by the belief that Adam lived 800 years and we live a maximum of 100 then the number must have been lowering little by little or it could be some specific time where our lives got shortened. Thus we cannot know the life-span of each of those people, nor their population.
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#69 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

And living 800 years I'd be willing to bet he kept busy.

Teenaged

I once tried to figure out how many people could have been on the earth before the flood. I once heard (which means it may or may not be true) that Jewish tradition states Adam and Even had 62 children. If these children each had 40 children, each of these had 20 children, and continued to have 20 children with each generation then by the time of the flood there could have been trillions of people upon the earth. No wonder Cain would have need to a mark on his head in order to be recognized for his sin... o.0

But still judging by the belief that Adam lived 800 years and we live a maximum of 100 then the number must have been lowering little by little or it could be some specific time where our lives got shortened. Thus we cannot know the life-span of each of those people, nor their population.

All of the people before the flood lived to be something like 600 to 969 years old so it's not a far-fetched idea. Btw, I was only using speculation in showing the possibilities. Not saying I believe it to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

I once tried to figure out how many people could have been on the earth before the flood. I once heard (which means it may or may not be true) that Jewish tradition states Adam and Even had 62 children. If these children each had 40 children, each of these had 20 children, and continued to have 20 children with each generation then by the time of the flood there could have been trillions of people upon the earth. No wonder Cain would have need to a mark on his head in order to be recognized for his sin... o.0

mindstorm

But still judging by the belief that Adam lived 800 years and we live a maximum of 100 then the number must have been lowering little by little or it could be some specific time where our lives got shortened. Thus we cannot know the life-span of each of those people, nor their population.

All of the people before the flood lived to be something like 600 to 969 years old so it's not a far-fetched idea. Btw, I was only using speculation in showing the possibilities. Not saying I believe it to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Oh, believe me, I was just speculating myself. :P I don't believe in the flood either. And I didn't know that version.

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#71 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]All of the people before the flood lived to be something like 600 to 969 years old so it's not a far-fetched idea. Btw, I was only using speculation in showing the possibilities. Not saying I believe it to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.Teenaged

Oh, believe me, I was just speculating myself. :P I don't believe in the flood either. And I didn't know that version.

The years are all mentioned for something like 14 generations of people. All are rather old in age at death, the youngest being Enoch at 300 who "walked with God and then was not." I think people wouldn't have had a problem with the "be fruitful and multiply" command of God at that time either.
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#72 domatron23
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]But still judging by the belief that Adam lived 800 years and we live a maximum of 100 then the number must have been lowering little by little or it could be some specific time where our lives got shortened. Thus we cannot know the life-span of each of those people, nor their population.Teenaged
All of the people before the flood lived to be something like 600 to 969 years old so it's not a far-fetched idea. Btw, I was only using speculation in showing the possibilities. Not saying I believe it to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Oh, believe me, I was just speculating myself. :P I don't believe in the flood either. And I didn't know that version.

Genesis 5 gives the genealogy of Adam complete with the ages that the principal fathers lived to when they died. Methusalah was 960 when she died and Noah was 950.

Oh and mindstorm isn't there some verse in Genesis that states when the life span of humans was limited to 120 years? (I might just be imagining that).

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#73 mindstorm
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Genesis 5 gives the genealogy of Adam complete with the ages that the principal fathers lived to when they died. Methusalah was 960 when she died and Noah was 950.

Oh and mindstorm isn't there some verse in Genesis that states when the life span of humans was limited to 120 years? (I might just be imagining that).

domatron23

Yes. Genesis 6:3 states, "Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years'"

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#74 Jacobistheman
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Well the fact is that most scientist that studie this believe that sometime during the last 12 thousand years, the human race got down to just a few. The evidence to support this is shown becuase male humans have a Y chromosome, something that isn't seen anywhere else, and is believe to be becuase the 1 man had a defect. Also these people say that humans will adapt their skin color for the environment in about 500 years. So if everyone in Africa was moved to northern europe, and the people from norther europe were moved to Africa, and the were not allowed to mix, in 500 years the people moved from africa would be almost white, like the current Europeans. The Europeans moved to Africa would be almost black. It doesn't take that long to adapt. EDIT, the bible says that god made poeple speak different lanugages and have different skin color as punishment, so if you believe in adam and eve it doesn't have to be scientificly possible
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#75 pretzelmeister
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There is more to a "race" than having darker or lighter skin. Factors such as hormone levels and facial structure are pretty distinct between races.

How many african americans do you see with naturally straight hair?

My point is that even if a group of white people moved to Africa and lived there for a few thousand years, they would not change much physically. Even if their skin became darker (which i'm not sure about because a heavy tan is not inheritable), they would still show all the characteristics of an white person.

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#76 Darth_Tyrev
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Yes, we are all the mentally retarded off-spring of their inbred children.
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And if all of humanity descended from them then how come there are so many different races and forms of human beings? Is it scientifically possible?

Stranger_4
First of all, you're asking religious people to prove something scientifically. :roll:
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[spoiler] Adam and Eve never existed [/spoiler]
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#79 Toriko42
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Simple, one was half black half chinese, the other was half white half arabian.
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#80 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="fatzebra"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Ever read the Tower of Babel story? The people were separated by language barriers and went their separate ways. Either God also changed their race too or due to adaption to the environment and incest (a.k.a. evolution on a small scale) there came the different races.mindstorm
The tower of bable what?? st-st--stooory oh yeah, the STORY. Hay guies, why do eggs break when they fall of of a wall, and why do horses try to fix them?

My granddad once also told me a story about him in WWII. It happened to be true. o.0

And we have proof that it did ;)
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#81 unholymight
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So Jesus is the descendant of Adam and Eve? Then Jesus is also a product of incest?
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#82 bsman00
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And if all of humanity descended from them then how come there are so many different races and forms of human beings? Is it scientifically possible?

Stranger_4

Evolution well micro evolution i think

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#83 MgamerBD
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Well maybe te kids went to other places then started to develop into what they are now in order too adapt to their environment.
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It is just a story. You don't have to take it literally.duxup
Exactly, just like God. He's a metaphor.
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#85 -eddy-
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What bothers me most in the Adam&Eve -theory is that their children must mate with each other to create new generations. So we're _all_ inbreed basically.
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#86 AnObscureName
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Meh. The way I see it, if the Old Testament is to believed then we were all inbred. Twice. Once with Adam and Eve and once when Noah and his wife got on the ark.
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And if all of humanity descended from them then how come there are so many different races and forms of human beings? Is it scientifically possible?

Stranger_4
I've wondered this more than just a few times. So far all I have been able to come up with is this which is below.
-The world as we know is nothing more than a mere dream. A dream from who or what I do not know nor does anyone I know of. But still something has to be around to dream this right? Where does that come from? Where does anything come from? The only thing that seems right to many of us is "42". Whats so great about 42? Well nothing really that I know of >_>
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Well, it is believed by biologists that mankind descended from just 2 humans, so no need to attack Christianity people.
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It is just a story. You don't have to take it literally.duxup

For some people its much more than a story. Some people completely reject all scientific views and claim this story to be the truth:roll:

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[QUOTE="duxup"]It is just a story. You don't have to take it literally.Tezcatlipoca666

For some people its much more than a story. Some people completely reject all scientific views and claim this story to be the truth:roll:

May God have mercy on your soul
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Adam and Eve are only symbols of early humans. God probably created more because he is tight like that. If He exists that is.
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]It is just a story. You don't have to take it literally.Rigga911

For some people its much more than a story. Some people completely reject all scientific views and claim this story to be the truth:roll:

May God have mercy on your soul

That dude in your sig looks like a dudette. Dammit >_>
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Adam and Eve are only symbols of early humans. God probably created more because he is tight like that. If He exists that is.da_carnivore
I hope so. That would make more sense. The "snake" was just some mean dude. He was jealous of Eve and got us all exiled. All evil people are decendents of his. Did l crack the code? Seriously? :shock:
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If you want to believe the Bull that is the bible, then you shuld know that Adam and Eve had two sons.
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I have the answer for the race one, but If I say it here, some people might get offended.... I personally dont really believe in religion, and I'm agnostic. So the answer I have for your question, I dont believe in, its just what I've been told.
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Maybe adam was black, and Eve was white?

Hey anything's possible!

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If you want to believe the Bull that is the bible, then you shuld know that Adam and Eve had two sons.mattttherman3
And their names were kane and able, and kane killed able with a rock.....
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[QUOTE="mattttherman3"]If you want to believe the Bull that is the bible, then you shuld know that Adam and Eve had two sons.GTA_dude
And their names were kane and able, and kane killed able with a rock.....

Abel*

Cain*

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#99 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"]It is just a story. You don't have to take it literally.Tezcatlipoca666

For some people its much more than a story. Some people completely reject all scientific views and claim this story to be the truth:roll:

Yeah there are some who buy that deal, but not many. You don't find that many Christians that take it all totally literally.
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[QUOTE="GTA_dude"][QUOTE="mattttherman3"]If you want to believe the Bull that is the bible, then you shuld know that Adam and Eve had two sons.123625

And their names were kane and able, and kane killed able with a rock.....

Abel*

Cain*

Whatever, I dont know how to spell their names, but atleast I know the story