If anyone attacked Canada the USA would go ballistic, but attack Mexico? Pfft...

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

The U.S. and Canada have had mutual defense agreements since the 1950's.

Ever heard of NORAD? The Vice Commander of NORAD is a 3-Star Canadian General.:)

sonicare

This is true. An attack on either nation would provoke an immediate response.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

didnt you said "mexico was a lost cause" or somewhere near those lines on page 1? why should the US help them then if their a lost cause?

Ultimas_Blade

It may be a dark thought, but if Mexico got attacked...could it cure some of the internal struggles (drugs, corruption) before whoever decided to save them saved them? Sort of like having a common enemy unifies them so on so forth?

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]Canada has a lot of enemies? That's news to me.sonicare

you have abundant natural resources, equal to the US and that will always make Canada a possible target. Fortunately for Canada, the US will go to war on its behalf, just like they did for Saudi Arabia.

"The problem with the Chinese is that they don't know that Canadian oil is ours. And neither do the Canadians"

Irving Mintzer -US energy analyst

I suspect any rational government that has strong energy needs would never allow a major provider to be conquered by a competing power.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

Dude you are sadly mistaken.You say that theUS is incompetent in War and Education? That's laughably wrong. Sure there are bad apples throughout the country, but the VASTLY OVERWHEMLINGmajority of Americans prove you wrong.

And on the War subject, nobody could bring America down even with the two fronts in the Middle East. Nobody.

Ultimas_Blade

Why do you disagree on my statements about War? Who could attack us and what could they successfully take?

On Education, I think our system is okay, but I think it should be run/controlled on the Federal Level rather than State/Local Level.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

Why do you disagree on my statements about War? Who could attack us and what could they successfully take?

On Education, I think our system is okay, but I think it should be run/controlled on the Federal Level rather than State/Local Level.

-Sun_Tzu-

Also the DoED is supplemental to State and Local Education Systems. It doesn't control them, but most often monitors and assists.

Maybe because Canada is north of USA. :P

I think the U.S would help Mexico and bring much needed stability for that country.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

The U.S. and Canada have had mutual defense agreements since the 1950's.

Ever heard of NORAD? The Vice Commander of NORAD is a 3-Star Canadian General.:)

topsemag55

This is true. An attack on either nation would provoke an immediate response.

I wouldnt be so sure. IF an attack on the UK was the result of a stead rise in hostilities and it resulted a conflict, the US would probably calculate what the appropriate action should be. Depending on the military power of the UK adversary and the material wealth, the US could decide it is a European problem. You have to remember, the EU has over 500+ million people under its wing and massive monetary assets.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="majwill24"]

you have abundant natural resources, equal to the US and that will always make Canada a possible target. Fortunately for Canada, the US will go to war on its behalf, just like they did for Saudi Arabia.

"The problem with the Chinese is that they don't know that Canadian oil is ours. And neither do the Canadians"

Irving Mintzer -US energy analyst

I suspect any rational government that has strong energy needs would never allow a major provider to be conquered by a competing power.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Didn't I just explain it in the quoted post? The are a lost cause at this point in terms of their current internal struggles. That doesn't change what that they would need to be defended.

Pirate700

It may be a dark thought, but if Mexico got attacked...could it cure some of the internal struggles (drugs, corruption) before whoever decided to save them saved them? Sort of like having a common enemy unifies them so on so forth?

Oh that would be great, take partin another costly occupation.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Didn't I just explain it in the quoted post? The are a lost cause at this point in terms of their current internal struggles. That doesn't change what that they would need to be defended.

Pirate700

It may be a dark thought, but if Mexico got attacked...could it cure some of the internal struggles (drugs, corruption) before whoever decided to save them saved them? Sort of like having a common enemy unifies them so on so forth?

would stepping into mexcio would just be our goverment wasting money on them?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

It may be a dark thought, but if Mexico got attacked...could it cure some of the internal struggles (drugs, corruption) before whoever decided to save them saved them? Sort of like having a common enemy unifies them so on so forth?

sSubZerOo

Oh that would be great, take partin another costly occupation.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] Not just that, but the US and Canada have a pretty "special relationship". Just like the US and UK. These countries have many deep bonds and the public would not react well to an attack on any of them.majwill24

This is true. An attack on either nation would provoke an immediate response.

I wouldnt be so sure. IF an attack on the UK was the result of a stead rise in hostilities and it resulted a conflict, the US would probably calculate what the appropriate action should be. Depending on the military power of the UK adversary and the material wealth, the US could decide it is a European problem. You have to remember, the EU has over 500+ million people under its wing and massive monetary assets.

Re-read the quotes - we were talking about the U.S. and Canada.:P

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I don't think they need to be "attacked" but I think they would benefit by letting the US just completely sweep through that country and maybe run the store for a while. I know it wouldn't be popular but that country has no way of ever getting that country under control. Either we need to step in or just let the country go into complete anarchy.

Pirate700

Oh that would be great, take partin another costly occupation.

:roll: Yep thats how all countries in the world stabilized they were all occupied, makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Oh that would be great, take partin another costly occupation.

sSubZerOo

:roll: Yep thats how all countries in the world stabilized they were all occupied, makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] Would you rather have the US stand idle while Canada is attacked?sonicare

I suspect any rational government that has strong energy needs would never allow a major provider to be conquered by a competing power.

It all depends on how it happens.

Lets say its 20 years in the future and China's military is equal to the US. China has secured critical energy contracts with Canada and things go smoothly for a while, but canadian nationalism brings a reneging of the contracts. The mercantilist Chinese are outraged and see it as a plot by the US to take what the Chinese rightfully paid for. The public demands action and the CCP makes a show of force by putting military forces at strategic locations within the canadian border. China claims it purely for defending their contracted assets. the Reckless canadians thinking the US will back them, forcefully engage.

As things go into chaos, there will be a debate in the US. Americans have always been more hesitant about direct military engagement with powers equal to their own. americans could even possibly take China side and will not support starting a world war,

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I just said it is likely the only way to get the country under control and stable. I didn't say lets get to it. :P

Pirate700

:roll: Yep thats how all countries in the world stabilized they were all occupied, makes perfect sense.

I'm gonna go with Pirate on this. IF Mexico were attacked, I'd want to go and secure the place. Unlike Afghanistan and Iraq, Mexico would be cake to nation build. No religious backdraft, a functioning government that just lacks the ability to destroy the corrupt and drug problems. And as a plus, this would hopefully lead to a relationship similar to the American-Canadian Relationship.

Mexico Mexico Mexico.

You either eat the taco's..or you don't.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

No matter how incompetent the US maybe in war and education, when it comes to securing its energy needs they do an extremely good job.

Plzhelpmelearn

Dude you are sadly mistaken.You say that theUS is incompetent in War and Education? That's laughably wrong. Sure there are bad apples throughout the country, but the VASTLY OVERWHEMLINGmajority of Americans prove you wrong.

And on the War subject, nobody could bring America down even with the two fronts in the Middle East. Nobody.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:roll: Yep thats how all countries in the world stabilized they were all occupied, makes perfect sense.

Ultimas_Blade

I'm gonna go with Pirate on this. IF Mexico were attacked, I'd want to go and secure the place. Unlike Afghanistan and Iraq, Mexico would be cake to nation build. No religious backdraft, a functioning government that just lacks the ability to destroy the corrupt and drug problems. And as a plus, this would hopefully lead to a relationship similar to the American-Canadian Relationship.

I imagine it would be a problem for the US regardless of who was attacked.

I imagine it would be a problem for the US regardless of who was attacked.

tocklestein2005

I imagine it would be a problem for the US regardless of who was attacked.

tocklestein2005

i wouldnt put nillions of dollars into mexico. either would my country :lol:

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="majwill24"]

I suspect any rational government that has strong energy needs would never allow a major provider to be conquered by a competing power.

majwill24

It all depends on how it happens.

Lets say its 20 years in the future and China's military is equal to the US. China has secured critical energy contracts with Canada and things go smoothly for a while, but canadian nationalism brings a reneging of the contracts. The mercantilist Chinese are outraged and see it as a plot by the US to take what the Chinese rightfully paid for. The public demands action and the CCP makes a show of force by putting military forces at strategic locations within the canadian border. China claims it purely for defending their contracted assets. the Reckless canadians thinking the US will back them, forcefully engage.

As things go into chaos, there will be a debate in the US. Americans have always been more hesitant about direct military engagement with powers equal to their own. americans could even possibly take China side and will not support starting a world war,

It's pretty hard for that scenario to go down seeing how Canada sure, is very nationalistic, but in a different way than most countries. An very large chunk of our population is from China itself.

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Mexicans are tough as nails dude.

TheShadowLord07

...and swine flu.

Sorry, that's a bad joke. Most Mexicans I've known or interacted with are good, hard working people.

IWKYB

What I gathered from that is Iceland is an awesome place to live.

If Canada was conquered by a foreign power, the US has a massive stretch of undefended border ready to be invaded without fear. Of course the US would jump in and go medieval on whoever attacked its northern neighbours :P

Not to mention we have maple syrup and beavers!

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

They are still bitter over Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach, I hear.

Ringx55

They pushed further in land than any of the other invading forces too. But they were probably hacking.

It's only YOUR opinion that the US would do nothing....not factual.LJS9502_basic

Isn't that crazy? Our neighbor's to the North know that we have their back, but Mexico? :lol:

My friends and I were talking about this today. Though Canada and Mexicodon't seem to have many enemies, but imagine for a moment if any were attacked by any military power around the world.

Ultimas_Blade

Because us and the USA are lovers.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's only YOUR opinion that the US would do nothing....not factual.Ninja-Hippo

Isn't that crazy? Our neighbor's to the North know that we have their back, but Mexico? :lol:

My friends and I were talking about this today. Though Canada and Mexicodon't seem to have many enemies, but imagine for a moment if any were attacked by any military power around the world.

Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="IWKYB"]NightStalkerBX

What I gathered from that is Iceland is an awesome place to live.

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

[QUOTE="IWKYB"]sonicare

What I gathered from that is Iceland is an awesome place to live.

if mexico were invaded, where would we get our drugs from?comp_atkins

I'm sure Obama would come prancing merrily to their aid. He loves to play the Hero you know.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if mexico were invaded, where would we get our drugs from?Fightingfan

Does Mexico contribute anything to the world? Besides drugs I mean.Zero5000X

Whoever takes over Mexico would meet their match from Cartels.Human-after-all