If creationists want creation taught in school, then...

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thats not info.....mish55

its the principle that counts

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smallcaplegend

"Don't pray in my school & I wont think in your church" ...soren008

Agreed.

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

There is nothing illogical about the creation theory. If fact, the creation theory does not have to even differ from that of evolution. Any rational mind has thought attempted to trace the line of cause and effects back to an eternity, and all signs point to an unmoved mover, or an uncaused cause. Which is God.OhYeahTx_basic

I saw that episode in simpsons too :DTheKonspiracy

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.SegaGenesisfan

I stopped reading there. Santa isn't a religion. :|

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

SegaGenesisfan

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

SegaGenesisfan

The truth will set you free...and I'm not talking about "God's Word" or anything related to that.

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

SegaGenesisfan

If that wasn't sarcasm then I am very, very disheartened with the human race. :|

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a 1religion because you have to be believe in it.

2Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus3evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

4Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

SegaGenesisfan

1. No its not. Its based on the scientific method and it isn't a question of belief. Its a question of evidence.

2. No they really don't. They present misinformation and lack an understanding in the subjects in which they claim expertise.

3. Like the theory of gravity or the theory of Newtonian motion aren't real theories.

4. There is debate all the time. Don't belive me, check out youtube.

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Evolution is not and never was a religion.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Creationists using science to debunk evolution is laughable at it's most credible form. Evolution is one of the most widely-accepted theories in the scientific community and is considered to be pure, hard fact. This is because there is nothing currently known or available that defers the fact that organisms evolve / adapt over time. Nothing that creationists have ever displayed to counter the existance of evolution has been proven correct, and so evolution, as it stands, is a fact. Plain and simple.

Also, humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we just share a common ancestor. Get it right or don't talk at all.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Evolution is in no way threatened by the "science" thrown at it left and right by creationists, because creationists don't know what they're talking about more than half the time. The so-called "science" they try to shove down people's throats as fact are usually little scriptures and passages found within their holy book or some fairy tale told by their priest. If the creationists used actual science to debunk evolution, it always ends up being wrong or a fallacy of some sort.

Oh, and T-Rex was a carnivore. Those puny arms of theirs were not required for use by the predator as it was more adapted to the life of a scavenger, feasting off the dead bodies of deceased dinosaurs, since the creatures couldn't run that fast at all. Their teeth also are a clear indicator that it didn't chew on leaves for a living.

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

The facts about life should be teached by scientific literates who have an advance knowledge of the subject at hand, backed up by use of the scientific method used by all *serious* scientists around the world. Creationists have no place in the ****oom, at all.

SegaGenesisfan

[QUOTE="OhYeahTx_basic"]There is nothing illogical about the creation theory. If fact, the creation theory does not have to even differ from that of evolution. Any rational mind has thought attempted to trace the line of cause and effects back to an eternity, and all signs point to an unmoved mover, or an uncaused cause. Which is God.Frattracide

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

-Jiggles-

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

atejas

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

FatMan1945

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

[QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

FatMan1945

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

[QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

FatMan1945

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

Even if that were generally true, christian scientists are a minority, and you cant say that every atheistic/agnostic scientist/historin/anthropologist is close-minded

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

zakkro

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

Ok, I have never even heard of Kitzmiller vs Dover, so that means that there is ATLEAST one Creationist who DOES give a crap about the education of children. That automatically makes your argument flawed.

There is nothing illogical about the creation theory. If fact, the creation theory does not have to even differ from that of evolution. Any rational mind has thought attempted to trace the line of cause and effects back to an eternity, and all signs point to an unmoved mover, or an uncaused cause. Which is God.OhYeahTx_basic

All rational minds try to trace it to something that they can't understand. It's easier to suggest someone created everything, opposed to the theory of evolution

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

atejas

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

Even if that were generally true, christian scientists are a minority, and you cant say that every atheistic/agnostic scientist/historin/anthropologist is close-minded

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

No. Creationists don't give a crap about the education of children, they simply want more ways to spread their religious beliefs among individuals, specifically the youth. They want their beliefs to be taught as if they were logical facts in school, which they are not.

If anything, make it a secondary activity that is NOT REQUIRED by the board of education.

FatMan1945

Way to generalize :roll:.

It is like me saying that Evolutionists don't give crap about the morals of children.

Ok, I have never even heard of Kitzmiller vs Dover, so that means that there is ATLEAST one Creationist who DOES give a crap about the education of children. That automatically makes your argument flawed.

[QUOTE="atejas"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

FatMan1945

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

Even if that were generally true, christian scientists are a minority, and you cant say that every atheistic/agnostic scientist/historin/anthropologist is close-minded

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

That's your opinion, but a bunch of teenagers operationg anonymously cant be held to the same standard as adult scientists who are held responsible for their actions.

By the way, so I have an idea who I'm talking to, are you a creationist or just a christian

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences. FatMan1945

I tend to see that atheists demand proof to believe in something. Christians/Creationists don't produce it, hence they don't agree with their views.

It's really quite simple:
Give some sort of tangible evidence to believe in God

Give some sort of tangible evidence to believe in Creationism. There was even a thread where the TC ASKED for proof and through the 50+ pages, not one Creationist delivered.

So who is more close minded, those willing to testify their arguments with proof, or those who claim baseless facts?

[QUOTE="atejas"]

A curious pattern....many christian scientists(who I greatly respect) have made large advances in the fields of conventional science, but not one atheist/agnostic scientist made one discovery relating to creationist science.

FatMan1945

Could it be that Christians tend to be a little more open-minded about things:question:

Just throwing it out there.

Short answer: no.

Sorry, but no. And, no, I'm NOT going to back that up with evidence. Why? Becuase if you need evidence regarding this question, then you sir are a sad, miserable, shell of a man masquerading as a lifeform. Its like asking for evidence that water tends to flow along the path of gravity.

Its right infront of you, brah.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

atejas

That's your opinion, but a bunch of teenagers operationg anonymously cant be held to the same standard as adult scientists who are held responsible for their actions.

By the way, so I have an idea who I'm talking to, are you a creationist or just a christian

I am an Agnostic Christian that believes in Theistic Evolution :oops: I know, I am a very complex individual.

The thing that bugs me though is that some people actually take what these teenagers say to heart, much like I did a few years ago (on a different site). It turned me into a hate-filled atheist much like many people on this site.. Luckly about a year ago I found the grace of god again in my life. I have seen life through the eyes of both sides, so I know that neither belief is perfect and both have their problems.

I don't think it should be taught in school(I am a Christian)

Actually the problem here is creationism is never taught in schools only evolution, which is actually a religion because it is a worldview, and a religion because you have to be believe in it.

Creationist actually use science for the reasons why evolution is wrong, plus evolution is not real science, at best it is a theory. But I like to say it is just athiest coming up with a religion of non belief. Nice try athiest, you tried to brainwash me, but it didnt work. But it worked on my family sadly, they all think they came from monkeys.:? funny, the tourist guide said the rocks were 750,000 years old.. Why? Because she said someone else said they were, no real reason. But observing you can tell the change is much more rapidly as there is a lot of water dripping around, the rock is soft like you could take parts off easily.

Doesnt it concern you that the real bible is never taught ever, while other things are taught in place? I say have both be in the same place, both be taught, and watch evolution get crushed by the creationist argueing with *gasp* science! By the way the t-rex was a herborvore, cant do much with those tiny arms, sorry if I misspelled it

Creationist have set up debates with evolutionist believers, funny how the evolutionist dont show up, but they love to teach it to kids who dont know much information yet. But I agree dont allow catholics to teach kids, that is a dangerous game that led to world war 1 & 2.

SegaGenesisfan

What's all this talk about rocks...boy I shouldn't have come in here this late.

[QUOTE="atejas"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

I didn't say every atheistic/agnostic scientist is close-minded. Just from my personal experience, and especially on this site, I tend to see atheists being more close-minded and ignorant than Christians. This thread only confirms my experiences.

FatMan1945

That's your opinion, but a bunch of teenagers operationg anonymously cant be held to the same standard as adult scientists who are held responsible for their actions.

By the way, so I have an idea who I'm talking to, are you a creationist or just a christian

I am an Agnostic Christian that believes in Theistic Evolution :oops: I know, I am a very complex individual.

The thing that bugs me though is that some people actually take what these teenagers say to heart, much like I did a few years ago (on a different site). It turned me into a hate-filled atheist much like many people on this site.. Luckly about a year ago I found the grace of god again in my life. I have seen life through the eyes of both sides, so I know that neither belief is perfect and both have their problems.

In b4 you pretending to feel "sorry" for me or making me mad and not adding anything to the conversation.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

I am an Agnostic Christian that believes in Theistic Evolution :oops: I know, I am a very complex individual.

The thing that bugs me though is that some people actually take what these teenagers say to heart, much like I did a few years ago (on a different site). It turned me into a hate-filled atheist much like many people on this site.. Luckly about a year ago I found the grace of god again in my life. I have seen life through the eyes of both sides, so I know that neither belief is perfect and both have their problems.

zakkro

In b4 you pretending to feel "sorry" for me or making me mad and not adding anything to the conversation.

Um... Haven't I already added to the conversation :??

People mold their ideas all the time to fit their frame of thought. Science is evolving and able to explain a lot more than it did 1000 years ago. I am not just going to ignore everything that doesn't suit my belief perfectly. And lastly my 'beliefs' having nothing to do with whether or not I am going to help the advancement of the human race. I actually want to get in the medical field and help people, but I guess by your logic, that wouldn't help 'the human race'.

P.S. Why would I feel sorry for you :question:. You are not sick or anything are you?

Epic fail.

While evolution is just a theory (but a very likely one), we also have pretty convincing scientific proof that what the bible says is wrong. Christians tend to hold on to the belief that earth is less than a million years old (or the life on earth) yet it's easy to test the age of anything holding carbon. That isn't saying creationism is bogus, but the christian view on the earths history is also wrong.

There are scientist who are creationist with a reason though. Here in holland there's a biology professor who's creationist after doing lots of calculations. He calculated the chance that live was formed out of nothing, or out of several aminoacids to be pretty much infinately small.