If god can do anything, can he create another god that is more powerful than him

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="luccaface"]Maybe god sees the futility in endlessly creating something with power over him just for the purpose of proving he's all-powerful. It would be an infinite cycle, so he chooses not the exercise that power. And that's why he's the true god.
Deity_Slapper

Of course you like that. It gives definition to god and places him within boundaries that you can control. That's EXACTLY why you like it...

If you could understand God, he would not be God. I have no further intrest in arguing with close minded folk who only reply to half my responses, claim to have the ability to read my mind, and know what God is thinking.

So you can read my thoughts now can you?

If you could understand God, he would not be God. I have no further intrest in arguing with close minded folk who only reply to half my responses, claim to have the ability to read my mind, and know what God is thinking.

blackngold29

The irony of this post...

Aren't you doing everything you just claimed that I'm doing?

I only reply to half your posts cause I'm trying to reply to many different posts, and I can't get them all. I'm only a mere mortal; it takes time to type all this stuff.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.A_Tarkovsky

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that your sole purpose here is just to argue with and ridicule everyone who makes a point that goes against whatever you say. elblanquito_81

Are you not doing that? Funny how everyone is superior over me just because I'm an atheist...very peculiar indeed...:roll:

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.xxDustmanxx

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Same thing goes for you. You wouldn't reject your beliefs so easily. That means that you're ready to die for science. ( typo:lol:)

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.xxDustmanxx

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Maybe they believed that their cause , whether true or not, was worth dying for. Kinda like how the kamikaze pilots would rather crash than fly home.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.xxDustmanxx

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Frankly, I'd take that bullet, because God isn't imaginary to me. I feel his presence, if you can understand that at all.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Now that was a cheap shot. Calling religious people deluded... tsktktskDeity_Slapper

Not really. If you knew better, you'd know it's a fact. People who believe in imaginary things ARE deluded. I was deluded at one point when I believed in god and Santa Claus. There, did I just take a cheap shot at myself? :?

Being religious does not make a person deluded.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.Kashi_901

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Same thing goes for you. You wouldn't reject your beliefs so easily. That means that you're to die for science.

No, i wouldn't die for science.Ill lie then keep on thinking the same way.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Now that was a cheap shot. Calling religious people deluded... tsktktskkingdre

Not really. If you knew better, you'd know it's a fact. People who believe in imaginary things ARE deluded. I was deluded at one point when I believed in god and Santa Claus. There, did I just take a cheap shot at myself? :?

Being religious does not make a person deluded.

I believe it does. To be religious means to adopt doctrine from a religion. And they were all here before you were born. To accept someone elses' view on things blindly, and not search for the answers to lifes' mysteries on your own, I would say delusion plays a role in that.

They catch you when you're young, pound it in to your mind, and now that you're used to it, you don't wanna let go. I understand. I was pissed when I was 11 years old, and I found out Santa wasn't real. It bugged me for a bit, so I understand why people have a hard time letting go of their other imaginary friends as well.

It's just harder to let go of "god" because of all that threatening hellfire eternal torture deal...I understand dude. I struggled with it myself. But that's exactly why they say all that "you'll burn in hell!" stuff. Cause they don't want you to let go of the delusion that is making them so very rich.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.xxDustmanxx

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Same thing goes for you. You wouldn't reject your beliefs so easily. That means that you're to die for science.

No, i wouldn't die for science.Ill lie then keep on thinking the same way.

How do you know someone else wouldn't lie (other than your cousin.)

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.A_Tarkovsky

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Frankly, I'd take that bullet, because God isn't imaginary to me. I feel his presence, if you can understand that at all.

I used to think like you, i used to say id take the bullet.Thats really poisonous thinking.I dont want to say it but here goes.Whoever says they'll take the bullet and dies for an imaginary deity had it coming.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.Kashi_901

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Same thing goes for you. You wouldn't reject your beliefs so easily. That means that you're to die for science.

No, i wouldn't die for science.Ill lie then keep on thinking the same way.

How do you know someone else wouldn't lie (other than your cousin.)

I dont.I was just addressing your comment.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that your sole purpose here is just to argue with and ridicule everyone who makes a point that goes against whatever you say. Deity_Slapper

Are you not doing that? Funny how everyone is superior over me just because I'm an atheist...very peculiar indeed...:roll:

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that your sole purpose here is just to argue with and ridicule everyone who makes a point that goes against whatever you say. elblanquito_81

Are you not doing that? Funny how everyone is superior over me just because I'm an atheist...very peculiar indeed...:roll:

See, you just did it again. :lol:

[QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Now that was a cheap shot. Calling religious people deluded... tsktktskDeity_Slapper

Not really. If you knew better, you'd know it's a fact. People who believe in imaginary things ARE deluded. I was deluded at one point when I believed in god and Santa Claus. There, did I just take a cheap shot at myself? :?

Being religious does not make a person deluded.

I believe it does. To be religious means to adopt doctrine from a religion. And they were all here before you were born. To accept someone elses' view on things blindly, and not search for the answers to lifes' mysteries on your own, I would say delusion plays a role in that.

They catch you when you're young, pound it in to your mind, and now that you're used to it, you don't wanna let go. I understand. I was pissed when I was 11 years old, and I found out Santa wasn't real. It bugged me for a bit, so I understand why people have a hard time letting go of their other imaginary friends as well.

To us, our faith isn't imaginary. You may think it is but we don't. Taking shots at it won't do any good.

[QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]Now that was a cheap shot. Calling religious people deluded... tsktktskDeity_Slapper

Not really. If you knew better, you'd know it's a fact. People who believe in imaginary things ARE deluded. I was deluded at one point when I believed in god and Santa Claus. There, did I just take a cheap shot at myself? :?

Being religious does not make a person deluded.

I believe it does. To be religious means to adopt doctrine from a religion. And they were all here before you were born. To accept someone elses' view on things blindly, and not search for the answers to lifes' mysteries on your own, I would say delusion plays a role in that.

They catch you when you're young, pound it in to your mind, and now that you're used to it, you don't wanna let go. I understand. I was pissed when I was 11 years old, and I found out Santa wasn't real. It bugged me for a bit, so I understand why people have a hard time letting go of their other imaginary friends as well.

Keywords I believe

That doesn't mean that what you believe is right. Calling someone deluded because you have different beliefs is just wrong.

You were pretty quick to baselessly insult me after my first post and completely ignore it seems my second. You could have responded to my post in the spirit of fun discussion, but you chose to see something in it that wasn't there and responded rudely. I'd have to agree with elbanquito - you are just interested ridiculing people. luccaface

Again, I can't respond to every post, so I might miss yours. Not all of my posts have been responded to either. So what.

And of course you agree with that guy - because the assumption that I am here to ridicule (and the alluded disgust attached to it) places me beneath you, and you like it. It's a comfortable position to put oneself in, is it not?

But I don't mind if everyone here thinks they are better than me. That's nothing but ego crap that I don't care about anyway. I honestly started this thread to encourage free thinking and have an interesting discussion, but I should have known better...I should have known all the fundies would attack me any chance they get while accusing me of doing the very things they are doing themselves. It just never ends.

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[QUOTE="el_carl"]If diety-slapper thought anything like this guy and was open to the idea of christianity, I wouldn't mind.xxDustmanxx

So basically what you're saying is that I have to think like you in order for you to respect me? And you say I'm the closed-minded one...oops... :roll:

Been there, done that. I couldn't go back. Like I said in another thread, that would be like de-volving.

Been there aswell, its impossible for me to go back.It just seems too ridiculous to me.

I used to think like a theist.Theres no way thats good for you.You could also say that im close minded for thinking that smoking is wrong.Yet, like religion its counter-productive to my survival and humanity's progress as a species therefore i reject it.

I think the absolute opposite is true.

How?

We have religious fundies running around trying to hold back important scientific research because they believe it will offend their "all-wise" imaginary super father.

And not too long ago my cousin told me she was ready to die for god.That means if some kook runs up to her with a shotgun and says if she doesnt reject god she will die, shell take the bullet.Same goes for plenty of theists.Thats ridiculous.They were actually training us to die for an imaginary being in church.

How can you tell me thats not counter-productive to our species?Not to mention jihad.

Frankly, I'd take that bullet, because God isn't imaginary to me. I feel his presence, if you can understand that at all.

I used to think like you, i used to say id take the bullet.Thats really poisonous thinking.I dont want to say it but here goes.Whoever says they'll take the bullet and dies for an imaginary deity had it coming.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that your sole purpose here is just to argue with and ridicule everyone who makes a point that goes against whatever you say. Deity_Slapper

Are you not doing that? Funny how everyone is superior over me just because I'm an atheist...very peculiar indeed...:roll:

See, you just did it again. :lol:

To us, our faith isn't imaginary. You may think it is but we don't. Taking shots at it won't do any good.kingdre

Your faith is real. What you have faith in, is imaginary.

By the way, you can't even claim that god is real, because then that would discredit the faith you have in him. Knowledge replaces faith. How can people say they know god and have faith that he exists at the same time?

I'm not reading that text but in response to the title.

God wouldn't do that anyway.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]To us, our faith isn't imaginary. You may think it is but we don't. Taking shots at it won't do any good.Deity_Slapper

Your faith is real. What you have faith in, is imaginary.

By the way, you can't even claim that god is real, because then that would discredit the faith you have in him. Knowledge replaces faith. How can people say they know god and have faith that he exists at the same time?

Did what again? Point out the fact that you are just interested in ridiculing people for posting thoughts contrary to yours? elblanquito_81

And again...

Jeez, do I have to spell it out for you? You're ridiculing me for having thoughts contrary to yours, as you complain that that's what I'm doing. Damn...:roll:

It's like a fat guy telling another fat guy that he's a fat slob. Look at yourself please?

I'm not reading that text but in response to the title.

God wouldn't do that anyway.

123625

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="kingdre"]To us, our faith isn't imaginary. You may think it is but we don't. Taking shots at it won't do any good.A_Tarkovsky

Your faith is real. What you have faith in, is imaginary.

By the way, you can't even claim that god is real, because then that would discredit the faith you have in him. Knowledge replaces faith. How can people say they know god and have faith that he exists at the same time?

I have other arguements. Maybe I'll post them from time to time in the coming days.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]To us, our faith isn't imaginary. You may think it is but we don't. Taking shots at it won't do any good.Deity_Slapper

Your faith is real. What you have faith in, is imaginary.

By the way, you can't even claim that god is real, because then that would discredit the faith you have in him. Knowledge replaces faith. How can people say they know god and have faith that he exists at the same time?

People know God because they have experienced His presence at some point in time (whether or not this makes sense to you is not my problem).

If you had any respect for other people's beliefs, you would have just leave them be instead of poking fun at their deity, calling them deluded, or trying to convince them that yours is the only way.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Did what again? Point out the fact that you are just interested in ridiculing people for posting thoughts contrary to yours? Deity_Slapper

And again...

Jeez, do I have to spell it out for you? You're ridiculing me for having thoughts contrary to yours, as you complain that that's what I'm doing. Damn...:roll:

It's like a fat guy telling another fat guy that he's a fat slob. Look at yourself please?

Even atheist like yourself is saying the same thing.

:roll:

[QUOTE="123625"]

I'm not reading that text but in response to the title.

God wouldn't do that anyway.

C_Town_Soul

That's what I'm talking about. People always think they "know" god...well then why have faith?!?!? Get it?

[QUOTE="123625"]

I'm not reading that text but in response to the title.

God wouldn't do that anyway.

C_Town_Soul

I assume God isn't some idiot who create something more powerful than himself. And why do you assume he would?

People know God because they have experienced His presence at some point in time kingdre

How do they know that whatever they experienced was actually from god? Did god send you an e-mail assuring you that what you felt was from him? It could have been anything. That's what I was talking about earlier. People just use "god" to fill the unknowns in their lives. Just because you can't explain something logically at the moment does not mean it was Mr. Almighty in the clouds.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Did what again? Point out the fact that you are just interested in ridiculing people for posting thoughts contrary to yours? Deity_Slapper

And again...

Jeez, do I have to spell it out for you? You're ridiculing me for having thoughts contrary to yours, as you complain that that's what I'm doing. Damn...:roll:

It's like a fat guy telling another fat guy that he's a fat slob. Look at yourself please?

I'm not ridiculing you nor am I trying to argue with you. If you look at all the responses that you've given to people who've posted here with their own rebuttals to your original post you would see that you've come off as very arrogant and rude when dealing with them. That's not generating discussion, that's you refusing to listen to others with different opinions. If you want people to take what you say seriously and engage them in discussion you need to learn how to be able to respect others and their opinions. elblanquito_81

Arrogant and rude? No. I'm usually answering people with questions, so as to generate further thought and discussion. I guess you misinterpereted what I am doing here.

Frankly, I'd take that bullet, because God isn't imaginary to me. I feel his presence, if you can understand that at all.

A_Tarkovsky

How do you know that what you are feeling is god's presence? What I find peculiar, is that people who can't even prove god is real in the first place, are crediting god for things that happen in their lives. If you can't even prove he exists in the first place, how will anyone take you seriously when you attempt to further desribe him, his actions, and his attributes?

You can feel his presence but you can't prove he exists. We have a problem here.

[QUOTE="A_Tarkovsky"]

Frankly, I'd take that bullet, because God isn't imaginary to me. I feel his presence, if you can understand that at all.

Deity_Slapper

How do you know that what you are feeling is god's presence? What I find peculiar, is that people who can't even prove god is real in the first place, are crediting god for things that happen in their lives. If you can't even prove he exists in the first place, how will anyone take you seriously when you attempt to further desribe him, his actions, and his attributes?

You can feel his presence but you can't prove he exists. We have a problem here.

Can you prove he doesn't exist. Can you prove the Big Bang created the universe.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]People know God because they have experienced His presence at some point in time Deity_Slapper

How do they know that whatever they experienced was actually from god? Did god send you an e-mail assuring you that what you felt was from him? It could have been anything. That's what I was talking about earlier. People just use "god" to fill the unknowns in their lives. Just because you can't explain something logically at the moment does not mean it was Mr. Almighty in the clouds.

E-mail from God. Reminds me of Bruce Almighty.

At least those people have an answer to those unknowns, compared to those who need a tangible answer. Believers can move on and take comfort in knowing that some questions have been answered, while the others can go on and find mysteries no one knows the solution to.

You have your belief and they have theirs. I can rest easy believing that there is something bigger out there. I don't expect you to understand. If atheism floats your boat, then good for you.

I think intelligent discussion was thrown out the window a long time ago. I shall leave now. Looks like you got quite a mess on your hands. :|

Even if the Big Bang created the Universe, how did those 2 atoms get there? Humans must accept that there exists an entity beyond space, time and most importantly THEIR UNDERSTANDINGleeveeu

True.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]I'm not ridiculing you nor am I trying to argue with you. If you look at all the responses that you've given to people who've posted here with their own rebuttals to your original post you would see that you've come off as very arrogant and rude when dealing with them. That's not generating discussion, that's you refusing to listen to others with different opinions. If you want people to take what you say seriously and engage them in discussion you need to learn how to be able to respect others and their opinions. Deity_Slapper

Arrogant and rude? No. I'm usually answering people with questions, so as to generate further thought and discussion. I guess you misinterpereted what I am doing here.

Those aren't inconsistencies. It appears you have no idea what an "inconsistency" is...Deity_Slapper

Jesus you're dense. You seriously don't get what I was saying? Seriously? I spelled it out pretty clearly. You're arguments were POINTING OUT 'logical inconsistancies' in the idea of God. You're arguments weren't logically inconsistant (actually, they probably were, I just don't remember), they just DEALT WITH logical inconsistancy.

The reason those types of questions are valid is because they're actually very clever...with a silly spin on them (burrito for example). But there is no denying the point that they are trying to make. It shows that god is not actually possible of all things as christians claim. Christians get mad when people poke holes in their theories, and some of them, like you, get upset and feel the need to throw insults around like a playground bully.Deity_Slapper

No..no they aren't clever. They're trite and cliche. I'll chalk that one up to complete and utter ignorance when it comes to religion and faith.

I've already stated twice I'm not religious, I was just generally offended by you're stupidity. If you were a Christian making stupid arguments like that, I would've chastised you the same.

And why 3rd grade? Why not 4th or 5th? Only a third grader would ask a question like this? And you have proof of this as well, right? Talk about inconsistency...you send a shallow insult my way and have no way of backing it up with evidence. Who's got a lot to learn? The guy who tells everyone else they have a lot to learn. Truth is, we ALL have a lot to learn. Except you Mr. Superior. ;)

Deity_Slapper

I actually conducted a serious, legitimate, peer-reviewed study/analysis on the argumentation of 3rd graders concerning the supernatural. Google "hey, you're a complete moron, i picked the first number that popped into my head" to see more info.

And you're right, I have nothing else to learn. Except how candlejack manages to find and kidnap anyone who says his na

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[QUOTE="kingdre"]People know God because they have experienced His presence at some point in time kingdre

How do they know that whatever they experienced was actually from god? Did god send you an e-mail assuring you that what you felt was from him? It could have been anything. That's what I was talking about earlier. People just use "god" to fill the unknowns in their lives. Just because you can't explain something logically at the moment does not mean it was Mr. Almighty in the clouds.

E-mail from God. Reminds me of Bruce Almighty.

At least those people have an answer to those unknowns, compared to those who need a tangible answer. Believers can move on and take comfort in knowing that some questions have been answered, while the others can go on and find mysteries no one knows the solution to.

You have your belief and they have theirs. I can rest easy believing that there is something bigger out there. I don't expect you to understand. If atheism floats your boat, then good for you.

I think intelligent discussion was thrown out the window a long time ago. I shall leave now. Looks like you got quite a mess on your hands. :|

Yes, lets all bury our heads in the sand and answer every tough question about our nature and existance with "GOD DID IT!!!!".

Somehow i find these types of threads always devolve into the same dumb arguments time after time

Even if the Big Bang created the Universe, how did those 2 atoms get there? Humans must accept that there exists an entity beyond space, time and most importantly THEIR UNDERSTANDINGleeveeu

[QUOTE="leeveeu"]Even if the Big Bang created the Universe, how did those 2 atoms get there? Humans must accept that there exists an entity beyond space, time and most importantly THEIR UNDERSTANDINGC_Town_Soul

"They have always existed" - haha you crack me up! Isn't this an assumption, a wild guess in the purest form possible???

What's the explanation?

Edit: Also, TIME has NO MEANING "before" the creation of the Universe. Duh.