[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well if there is a heaven then there is a God and since God is all-forgiving we all get a free ticket to heaven.123625
Depends what god your thinking of.
Eh doesn't really matter to me. If I was Jewish then I'm one of God's chosen children. If I'm Christian he's all forgiving. I forget the deal with Islam but I'd go to paradise anyway.
If the biblical heaven is real, then I will be going to hell, even though I technically didn't do anything wrong by my own moral standards. But since everyone who lived before 1 AD is in hell as well, I'll have some great company.
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well if there is a heaven then there is a God and since God is all-forgiving we all get a free ticket to heaven.Tiefster
Depends what god your thinking of.
Eh doesn't really matter to me. If I was Jewish then I'm one of God's chosen children. If I'm Christian he's all forgiving. I forget the deal with Islam but I'd go to paradise anyway.
You have it completely wrong my freind.
The god of the christians and Jews is not all forgiving, thats allah. Yahweh will not forgive sin for nothing, nor will he allow it in his sight. Unless you beleive in Jesus you will go to hell (according to my religion).
As for the Jews they are recquired to sacrifice animals, god doesnt just forgive them because they are his chosen. Sin is payed with blood, basically.
If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well if there is a heaven then there is a God and since God is all-forgiving we all get a free ticket to heaven.123625
Depends what god your thinking of.
Eh doesn't really matter to me. If I was Jewish then I'm one of God's chosen children. If I'm Christian he's all forgiving. I forget the deal with Islam but I'd go to paradise anyway.
You have it completely wrong my freind.
The god of the christians and Jews is not all forgiving, thats allah. Yahweh will not forgive sin for nothing, nor will he allow it in his sight. Unless you beleive in Jesus you will go to hell (according to my religion).
As for the Jews they are recquired to sacrifice animals, god doesnt just forgive them because they are his chosen. Sin is payed with blood, basically.
Hey, it's not my problem, I can care less about this stuff. I like the idea of achieving nirvana better.
If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.foxhound_fox
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:
Let's see. I hesitate to squash bugs, I am easy-going, almost never lose my temper, forgiving, and hate to fight even though my size would give me an advantage in most conflicts. Despite all that I'm apparently going to go to hell because I'd rather spend my time doing something worthwhile instead of worshipping a being that I have been no reason to believe exists. If that's truly the case, I don't think I'd mind throwing my lot in with the devil.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.123625
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:
Not all non-Christians can be biblical scholars. Relax.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.bman784
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:
Not all non-Christians can be biblical scholars. Relax.
I'm quite relaxed, i just don't want people to have the wrong idea is all :l
I'm an Atheist, so the "all forgiving, peacefull, loving on his sons" God will probably send me to hell, dispite me actually being a good person. But thankfully there's no god in my books so I won't be going anywhere.
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well if there is a heaven then there is a God and since God is all-forgiving we all get a free ticket to heaven.Tiefster
Depends what god your thinking of.
Eh doesn't really matter to me. If I was Jewish then I'm one of God's chosen children. If I'm Christian he's all forgiving. I forget the deal with Islam but I'd go to paradise anyway.
You have it completely wrong my freind.
The god of the christians and Jews is not all forgiving, thats allah. Yahweh will not forgive sin for nothing, nor will he allow it in his sight. Unless you beleive in Jesus you will go to hell (according to my religion).
As for the Jews they are recquired to sacrifice animals, god doesnt just forgive them because they are his chosen. Sin is payed with blood, basically.
Hey, it's not my problem, I couldn't care less about this stuff. I like the idea of achieving nirvana better.
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:123625
I was talking outside of the context of monotheist religious texts. If God, an omnipotent and benevolent being, actually did exist and was all-forgiving, then living a virtuous life would be enough to become one with it.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.123625
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:
I believe Jesus was just human. Just like I believe Gautama was just human (by most counts he is just human). It's silly to believe they were magical for the most part, but that's just me.
[QUOTE="123625"]No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:foxhound_fox
I was talking outside of the context of monotheist religious texts. If God, an omnipotent and benevolent being, actually did exist and was all-forgiving, then living a virtuous life would be enough to become one with it.
No you clearly said "christian." I was merely informing you.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If the Christian definition of Heaven and Hell are used I will go to Limbo... for living a virtuous life yet not accepting Jesus as my saviour. Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life.
But then again, morals are subjective so what I consider to be virtuous, may or may not be considered virtuous by someone else and that would include God.Tiefster
No you won't you will go to hell. And no god won't just forgive you. And Jesus was god in the flesh not just a human :roll:
I believe Jesus was just human. Just like I believe Gautama was just human (by most counts he is just human). It's silly to believe they were magical for the most part, but that's just me.
God doesnt use magic though... But your entitled to your beleifs, im just saying that if my heaven is true you will be going to hell.
No you clearly said "christian." I was merely informing you. 123625
Within the first part, yes. But then I offered a counter-point to the first half of my response:
"Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life."
A statement taking outside the context of the textual sources claiming that "one must accept Jesus to be with God."
[QUOTE="123625"]No you clearly said "christian." I was merely informing you. foxhound_fox
Within the first part, yes. But then I offered a counter-point to the first half of my response:
"Yet, if they did exist and God was truly a benevolent and forgiving omnipresence then I would go to Heaven because I should not have to accept a human being as my saviour and only have to live a virtuous life."
A statement taking outside the context of the textual sources claiming that "one must accept Jesus to be with God."
Oh fair enough, but as long as you know what christianity is about.
When all those dudes who make those religious threads are there... no thanks.
Chitzu
Lol, clearly they will have nothing to debate about though, since God can just say "hey, stfu, the loch ness monster does exist, and of course I'm real...it's why you're here in the first place!"
I'm an Atheist, so the "all forgiving, peacefull, loving on his sons" God will probably send me to hell, dispite me actually being a good person. But thankfully there's no god in my books so I won't be going anywhere.jking197
Exactly, how hypocritical... then again, it isn't an issue because there is no god.
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