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#51 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] you should care though, romney is your only chance at removing obama, if he loses, you lose.

ron paul could beat obama 1v1 romney and obama are 2 sides of the same coin. they will both put us in more and more debt and continue the corrupt federal reserve and military industrial complex

This, Obama could not beat Ron Paul but the American people(not talking about you guys) are to stupid to vote for him, thus he will not get the nomination. That is why I am voting for Romney because he is the lesser of two evils. The media has already chosen Gingrich or Romney to be the nominee so I just need to make sure Gingrich is not the nominee that guy is nuts.

????? you should still vote for ron paul. obama and romney are largely the same
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I like Ron Paul, but I'm smart enough to know that he will never be the nominee. I also like Santorum, but I still know better. I hope that Gingrich gets the nomination because I still think he has a chance to beat Obama. If this election has shown me anything, it's that Gingrich knows how to speak! The media hates him, but even after that interview with his ex wife was released, he dominated South Carolina! I think he has a shot, he's defintly who I am voting for when the primary reaches Illinois.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] ron paul could beat obama 1v1 romney and obama are 2 sides of the same coin. they will both put us in more and more debt and continue the corrupt federal reserve and military industrial complex

This, Obama could not beat Ron Paul but the American people(not talking about you guys) are to stupid to vote for him, thus he will not get the nomination. That is why I am voting for Romney because he is the lesser of two evils. The media has already chosen Gingrich or Romney to be the nominee so I just need to make sure Gingrich is not the nominee that guy is nuts.

????? you should still vote for ron paul. obama and romney are largely the same

In some areas yes, but largely they are different.
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] ron paul could beat obama 1v1 romney and obama are 2 sides of the same coin. they will both put us in more and more debt and continue the corrupt federal reserve and military industrial complexmingmao3046

:| No Ron Paul couldn't, he isn't even liked by his supposed BASE when it comes to party.. His ideas are sure as hell too extreme if they scare off the Republican base, forget about the common voter.

He is the ultimate constitutionalist who supports liberty, sound money, no unneccessary spending, and is the only one willing to bring the troops home his ideas are the best

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| No Ron Paul couldn't, he isn't even liked by his supposed BASE when it comes to party.. His ideas are sure as hell too extreme if they scare off the Republican base, forget about the common voter.

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He is the ultimate constitutionalist who supports liberty, sound money, no unneccessary spending, and is the only one willing to bring the troops home his ideas are the best

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debt
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] He is the ultimate constitutionalist who supports liberty, sound money, no unneccessary spending, and is the only one willing to bring the troops home his ideas are the bestmingmao3046

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debt

Do you think it would even matter? Nobody in congress is stupid enough to enact Paul's ridiculous policies, he wouldn't get anything done. Congress is stupid, but not THAT stupid. If he doesn't have the backing of most republicans, nothing would ever be done.
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

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such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debt

Do you think it would even matter? Nobody in congress is stupid enough to enact Paul's ridiculous policies, he wouldn't get anything done. Congress is stupid, but not THAT stupid. If he doesn't have the backing of most republicans, nothing would ever be done.

which of his ideas do you find "ridiculous"? and just because someone is getting things through congress doesn't mean they are good things

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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debtmingmao3046

Do you think it would even matter? Nobody in congress is stupid enough to enact Paul's ridiculous policies, he wouldn't get anything done. Congress is stupid, but not THAT stupid. If he doesn't have the backing of most republicans, nothing would ever be done.

which of his ideas do you find "ridiculous"? and just because someone is getting things through congress doesn't mean they are good things

Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul does indeed support big government in a lot of ways and thats what makes his ideas ridiculous.

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Why even talk about the Republican candidate... Does anyone really think they would be a great president after Bush? President Obama needs 8 years to fix the mess that took 8 years to make give him time.
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Do you think it would even matter? Nobody in congress is stupid enough to enact Paul's ridiculous policies, he wouldn't get anything done. Congress is stupid, but not THAT stupid. If he doesn't have the backing of most republicans, nothing would ever be done.DroidPhysX

which of his ideas do you find "ridiculous"? and just because someone is getting things through congress doesn't mean they are good things

Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul does indeed support big government in a lot of ways and thats what makes his ideas ridiculous.

such as?
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[QUOTE="ThumpyBowser"]Why even talk about the Republican candidate... Does anyone really think they would be a great president after Bush? President Obama needs 8 years to fix the mess that took 8 years to make give him time.

so bush = all republicans? ron paul is the only one i support but your statement is ridiculous
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] which of his ideas do you find "ridiculous"? and just because someone is getting things through congress doesn't mean they are good things

mingmao3046

Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul does indeed support big government in a lot of ways and thats what makes his ideas ridiculous.

such as?

Federal amendment to ban abortion for starters.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] He is the ultimate constitutionalist who supports liberty, sound money, no unneccessary spending, and is the only one willing to bring the troops home his ideas are the bestmingmao3046

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debt

.. Lets try with the most basic, for instance he believes (along with his son) that the state has the right to deny things like the first amendment such as flag burning.. He is against abortion, something Roe V Wade set the standard.. He is not a Constiutionalist that is a made up term to make him sound like he knows what the constiution is.. He hashsi own idea.s.. And yet again what candidate hasn't claimed they would cut the debt? Thats literally on eof the main platform ideas for EVERY candidate this coming election..

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul does indeed support big government in a lot of ways and thats what makes his ideas ridiculous.

DroidPhysX

such as?

Federal amendment to ban abortion for starters.

you do realize he delivered over 4k babies in his career, right? he saw first hand how disgusting abortion is.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] such as?mingmao3046

Federal amendment to ban abortion for starters.

you do realize he delivered over 4k babies in his career, right? he saw first hand how disgusting abortion is.

:?
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] such as?mingmao3046

Federal amendment to ban abortion for starters.

you do realize he delivered over 4k babies in his career, right? he saw first hand how disgusting abortion is.

So? He still supports big government intervening in peoples lives when he sponsored that amendment.
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Ok you have no clue what your talking about, he is not the ultimate constiutionalist when he in fact rejects certain parts of the constitution TO BEGIN WITH.. Thats pretty much the contradiction to what being a constitutionalist is.

sSubZerOo

such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debt

.. Lets try with the most basic, for instance he believes (along with his son) that the state has the right to deny things like the first amendment such as flag burning.. He is against abortion, something Roe V Wade set the standard.. He is not a Constiutionalist that is a made up term to make him sound like he knows what the constiution is.. He hashsi own idea.s.. And yet again what candidate hasn't claimed they would cut the debt? Thats literally on eof the main platform ideas for EVERY candidate this coming election..

ron paul is the only one willing to make cuts in the military which is by far the biggest spender. besides, abortion is a very touchy issue. its all about where you believe life begins. ron paul as a doctor believes it begins at conception so he tries to protect that life.
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[QUOTE="ThumpyBowser"]Why even talk about the Republican candidate... Does anyone really think they would be a great president after Bush? President Obama needs 8 years to fix the mess that took 8 years to make give him time.mingmao3046
so bush = all republicans? ron paul is the only one i support but your statement is ridiculous

Ron Paul approved racially provacative newsletters to make his way through medical score I can not vote for him.

I do not trust any of the others in the Republicans

Santorum would bring America to the era of the Salem Witch trials.

Gingrich would provoke WW3 because he said he just wants to kill Americas enemies, and he is unfaithful to his vows of love (I have zero respect for this man and it disgusts me so many men are eager to high five and praise him for this because any Woman running for office would be slandered as a "ho").

Romney would use America to increase his net worth.


I may be disappointed with the President but atleast I know his heart is in the right place.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Federal amendment to ban abortion for starters. DroidPhysX

you do realize he delivered over 4k babies in his career, right? he saw first hand how disgusting abortion is.

So? He still supports big government intervening in peoples lives when he sponsored that amendment.

again this is about where you believe life begins, with ron being so pro life obviously he is against abortion heavily in defense of the babies lives
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] you do realize he delivered over 4k babies in his career, right? he saw first hand how disgusting abortion is.

mingmao3046

So? He still supports big government intervening in peoples lives when he sponsored that amendment.

again this is about where you believe life begins, with ron being so pro life obviously he is against abortion heavily in defense of the babies lives

Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="ThumpyBowser"]Why even talk about the Republican candidate... Does anyone really think they would be a great president after Bush? President Obama needs 8 years to fix the mess that took 8 years to make give him time.ThumpyBowser

so bush = all republicans? ron paul is the only one i support but your statement is ridiculous

Ron Paul approved racially provacative newsletters to make his way through medical score I can not vote for him.

I do not trust any of the others in the Republicans

Santorum would bring America to the era of the Salem Witch trials.

Gingrich would provoke WW3 because he said he just wants to kill Americas enemies, and he is unfaithful to his vows of love (I have zero respect for this man and it disgusts me so many men are eager to high five and praise him for this because any Woman running for office would be slandered as a "ho").

Romney would use America to increase his net worth.


I may be disappointed with the President but atleast I know his heart is in the right place.

those newsletters that happened over 20 years ago have been explained time and time again...ron did not read them. he is not a racist. even the leader of NAACP has said this. this is such a minor issue if your whole opinion is on just that then you should rethink yourself. lol@ obama's heart being in the right place. all he cares about is getting re-elected. he appointed many of the same people bush had and is in the pocket of the big banks and corporations.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]such as what, the 16th amendment? what exactly does he reject? Ron is also the only one who is willing to make significant cuts to lessen our debtmingmao3046

.. Lets try with the most basic, for instance he believes (along with his son) that the state has the right to deny things like the first amendment such as flag burning.. He is against abortion, something Roe V Wade set the standard.. He is not a Constiutionalist that is a made up term to make him sound like he knows what the constiution is.. He hashsi own idea.s.. And yet again what candidate hasn't claimed they would cut the debt? Thats literally on eof the main platform ideas for EVERY candidate this coming election..

ron paul is the only one willing to make cuts in the military which is by far the biggest spender.

Huh? What? Obama just released in wanting to cut a huge % of military just recently.. And he isn't the only one..

besides, abortion is a very touchy issue. its all about where you believe life begins. ron paul as a doctor believes it begins at conception so he tries to protect that life.

Yet again.. This has nothing to do with being a Constiutionalist.. A judge is suppose to be one, in which regardless of the views they uphold the LETTER OF THE LAW, not their own personal views.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] So? He still supports big government intervening in peoples lives when he sponsored that amendment.DroidPhysX

again this is about where you believe life begins, with ron being so pro life obviously he is against abortion heavily in defense of the babies lives

Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] again this is about where you believe life begins, with ron being so pro life obviously he is against abortion heavily in defense of the babies livesmingmao3046

Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

He specifically said that it should be the right of the states to ban it, not the federal government.. He is not a constiutionalist.. Stop trying to claim he is one.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. Lets try with the most basic, for instance he believes (along with his son) that the state has the right to deny things like the first amendment such as flag burning.. He is against abortion, something Roe V Wade set the standard.. He is not a Constiutionalist that is a made up term to make him sound like he knows what the constiution is.. He hashsi own idea.s.. And yet again what candidate hasn't claimed they would cut the debt? Thats literally on eof the main platform ideas for EVERY candidate this coming election..

sSubZerOo

ron paul is the only one willing to make cuts in the military which is by far the biggest spender.

Huh? What? Obama just released in wanting to cut a huge % of military just recently.. And he isn't the only one..

besides, abortion is a very touchy issue. its all about where you believe life begins. ron paul as a doctor believes it begins at conception so he tries to protect that life.

Yet again.. This has nothing to do with being a Constiutionalist.. A judge is suppose to be one, in which regardless of the views they uphold the LETTER OF THE LAW, not their own personal views.

that one trillion is in proposed spending. that not even a significant cut. obama supports having troops all over the world, we are the only country that does this. until we are willing to end our ridiculous presence around the world we will never come close to getting debt under control
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

sSubZerOo

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

He specifically said that it should be the right of the states to ban it, not the federal government.. He is not a constiutionalist.. Stop trying to claim he is one.

where in the constitution does it say abortion is not allowed? also i find it funny how abortion is all you have for anti ron paul argument

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] again this is about where you believe life begins, with ron being so pro life obviously he is against abortion heavily in defense of the babies livesmingmao3046

Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

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those newsletters that happened over 20 years ago have been explained time and time again...ron did not read them. he is not a racist. even the leader of NAACP has said this. this is such a minor issue if your whole opinion is on just that then you should rethink yourself. lol@ obama's heart being in the right place. all he cares about is getting re-elected. he appointed many of the same people bush had and is in the pocket of the big banks and corporations.

mingmao3046

I never said he was racist... He let others use his image to spread racism though.

President Obama put them in charge because he felt they were the best qualified, ask yourself this... Do you hate President Obama that much that you are willing to vote in the type of people who caused this mess?

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[QUOTE="TheWZRD"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]Ron Paul is gonna win FloridaSuper_MooRio

hopefully. he's only worth running for imo

Hopefully Santorum or Gingrich.... Ron Paul says 9/11 is our fault. He scares me as president, I like his economics though.

9/11 was our fault. I find it hilarious that people think we were attacked out of the blue because "we are free and prosperous". I blame the media.

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I'm not American by citizenship so I don't have a right to vote in America. But if I was born in America and had American citzenship then I wouldn't vote for either Republican or Democrat because I think both of these parties are extremely corrupt and self-serving. Both of these parties are parties of greed which only do what their big Corporate masters tell them to do.

If I was American then I would probably vote for Socialist or Independent.

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those newsletters that happened over 20 years ago have been explained time and time again...ron did not read them. he is not a racist. even the leader of NAACP has said this. this is such a minor issue if your whole opinion is on just that then you should rethink yourself. lol@ obama's heart being in the right place. all he cares about is getting re-elected. he appointed many of the same people bush had and is in the pocket of the big banks and corporations.

ThumpyBowser

I never said he was racist... He let others use his image to spread racism though.

President Obama put them in charge because he felt they were the best qualified, ask yourself this... Do you hate President Obama that much that you are willing to vote in the type of people who caused this mess?

"best qualified" lmao. they are wall street insiders. you honestly think he has your best interest in mind? its all about the money in his pocket and sitting in the oval office. ron paul did not cause this mess. bush was a huge government neo con
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#82 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

DroidPhysX

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

well if thats your take then i guess the constitution doesn't apply to women as it only says "all men are created equal"
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#83 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells mingmao3046

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

well if thats your take then i guess the constitution doesn't apply to women as it only says "all men are created equal"

???? How is that a response to what I just said about Ron Paul and abortion?
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#84 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells mingmao3046

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

well if thats your take then i guess the constitution doesn't apply to women as it only says "all men are created equal"

The constitution doesn't say that.
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#85 Pikdum
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

DroidPhysX

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

That is really open to interpretation whether or not it refers to a post or pre natal form.

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#86 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells Pikdum

You're misunderstanding the post. The constitution never describes the application of persons in a pre natal form. It only describes persons post natally (e.g. citizenship).

And no. Paul introduced and has sponsored bills similar to the Sanctity of Life Act that says life begins at conception which de facto outlaws abortion.

That is really open to interpretation whether or not it refers to a post or pre natal form.

No it quite clear in every instance of a person being mentioned they're talking about it in the post natal form. Unless the citizenship clause has been misread for centuries (just one of many examples), i don't see how it is an open interpretation.
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#87 nightshade869
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I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.
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#88 MattDistillery
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America voted Bush into presidency twice.... As a country I don't trust there average voter to form an intellegent opinion on it's goverment.

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#89 MattDistillery
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I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.nightshade869

Also this, the world would be a better place if the 'Single transferable vote' was used instead of a first past the post system. Especially considering in America it results in the richest man with the best publicity behind him gets voted in.

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#90 DevilMightCry
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I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.nightshade869
Hey, how's Europe doing with their parties? Or the middle east now that they are a democracy? Yeah... thought so. It's not the party, it's who you put into office.
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#91 MattDistillery
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[QUOTE="nightshade869"]I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.DevilMightCry
Hey, how's Europe doing with their parties? Or the middle east now that they are a democracy? Yeah... thought so. It's not the party, it's who you put into office.


Germany, Sweeden, Norway, Finland, Swizerland etc are all doing very well. Iceland have even managed to get out of recession due to public refrendums on what they should do going forward and not bowing to international pressure telling them what to do.

The problem in Europe is the EU not the individual goverments in most cases.

I would also say it is the party, one man cannot vote everything through he needs support to vote through bills.

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#92 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="nightshade869"]I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.DevilMightCry
Hey, how's Europe doing with their parties? Or the middle east now that they are a democracy? Yeah... thought so. It's not the party, it's who you put into office.

At least European nations have respectable voter turnout, that would seem, to me, to be evidence of a superior democratic process. Middle East is just insanity, wouldn't dare put it into the same category as Europe, there are many, many more issues at play over there... 'least that's what I believe based on my, admittedly, limited knowledge of the region's issues and the portrayal of it by the media, which isn't free of bias.
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#93 Invisible_Kid2
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Being a strict constitutionalist as he is, he should know that the constitution only talks about persons in post natal form. Thus meaning he has no valid constitutional reasons for outlawing abortion. And that shows his views are not rooted from the constitution in some cases like abortion.

sSubZerOo

where does the constitution say this? and the ban you are talking about is PARTIAL BIRTH. ie the baby is already formed and is a long way into pregnancy. not just a clump of cells

He specifically said that it should be the right of the states to ban it, not the federal government.. He is not a constiutionalist.. Stop trying to claim he is one.

Giving the power back to the States isn't apart of the constitution? I didn't pay attention in social studies.

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#94 Serraph105
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America voted Bush into presidency twice.... As a country I don't trust there average voter to form an intellegent opinion on it's goverment.

MattDistillery
just once actually. ;)
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#95 scoots9
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[QUOTE="TheWZRD"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]Ron Paul is gonna win FloridaSuper_MooRio

hopefully. he's only worth running for imo

Hopefully Santorum or Gingrich.... Ron Paul says 9/11 is our fault. He scares me as president, I like his economics though.

So it's irrational to think that after half a century of bombing, propping up dictators, military base building and coups that someone would attack us?

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#96 Pikdum
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I hate the American two party system and think it is stupid.nightshade869

Yeah I hate it too. All it does is limit our choices.

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#97 DevilMightCry
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[QUOTE="MattDistillery"]

America voted Bush into presidency twice.... As a country I don't trust there average voter to form an intellegent opinion on it's goverment.

Serraph105
just once actually. ;)

Supreme Court says otherwise.
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#98 Invisible_Kid2
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[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

[QUOTE="TheWZRD"] hopefully. he's only worth running for imoscoots9

Hopefully Santorum or Gingrich.... Ron Paul says 9/11 is our fault. He scares me as president, I like his economics though.

So it's irrational to think that after half a century of bombing, propping up dictators, military base building and coups that someone would attack us?

That's what makes me mad when ever I hear "They attacked us because DAY HATE ERR FREEDOMZ!" If I went out, pushing people around and just be a general douche to people, and I get attacked, would it be logical for me to say that they attacked me because I have a nice T.V.?
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#99 comp_atkins
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ok then,
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#100 battlefront23
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Hopefully Santorum or Gingrich.... Ron Paul says 9/11 is our fault. He scares me as president, I like his economics though.

Super_MooRio

It was our fault though.