if Socialism is so bad.. why is Canada and other socialist countries booming?

seriously.. Why are all these Socialist places like Canada, japan, China and Australia booming right now? Month after month they report record growth and record job creation.. I thought Capitalism was the best thing ever, why is our economy here in the US lagging while these other socialist countries are booming?

I thought republicans said socialism is bad, am i missing something here?

Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.clayron

Canada isn't socialist. It's got a mixed market like every other western country. Though places like Canada and Germany have weathered the storm far better than the US and Greece, which i chalk up to their regulatory systems and their social safety nets.

[QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.ColonelDrakePS3

My sarcasm meter is broken right now so I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic but China is pretty much the country you'd pick if you wanted to describe absolute nearly laissez-faire capitalism. On your second point, what?

Canada socialist? I don't know about that, they charged me $150 so I could work up there earlier this year. Doesn't seem very socialist to me.

None of those countries are socialist. They are, in fact, capitalistic like the US (with the exception of China which is communist, although they're moving towards capitalism and Hong Kong is probably the freest economy in the world).gameguy6700

[QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.ColonelDrakePS3

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.Former_Slacker

My sarcasm meter is broken right now so I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic but China is pretty much the country you'd pick if you wanted to describe absolute nearly laissez-faire capitalism. On your second point, what?

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]None of those countries are socialist. They are, in fact, capitalistic like the US (with the exception of China which is communist, although they're moving towards capitalism and Hong Kong is probably the freest economy in the world).ColonelDrakePS3

No, not really. Compared to the US a country like Norway would be much more socialist but its still nowhere near actual socialism.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"] What? are you joking? China is borderline communist and Canada is poster country for Socialism along with AustraliaColonelDrakePS3

My sarcasm meter is broken right now so I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic but China is pretty much the country you'd pick if you wanted to describe absolute nearly laissez-faire capitalism. On your second point, what?

[QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.ColonelDrakePS3

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]None of those countries are socialist. They are, in fact, capitalistic like the US (with the exception of China which is communist, although they're moving towards capitalism and Hong Kong is probably the freest economy in the world).ColonelDrakePS3

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.clayron

theres some crazy republicans that think having universal healthcare automatically makes the entire country socialist. This is in fact wrong and is used a just a scare tactic.IZoMBiEI

seriously.. Why are all these Socialist places like Canada, japan, China and Australia booming right now? Month after month they report record growth and record job creation.. I thought Capitalism was the best thing ever, why is our economy here in the US lagging while these other socialist countries are booming?

I thought republicans said socialism is bad, am i missing something here?

ColonelDrakePS3

seriously.. Why are all these Socialist places like Canada, japan, China and Australia booming right now? Month after month they report record growth and record job creation.. I thought Capitalism was the best thing ever, why is our economy here in the US lagging while these other socialist countries are booming?

I thought republicans said socialism is bad, am i missing something here?

ColonelDrakePS3

Australia has had record growth for the past several years because CHINA, where I am living right now and have lived for the past 14 years, is expanding their extremely capitalist economy so fast that they need all the raw materials they can get their hands on. That's why China props up regimes like Sudan, Iran etc. because they need their resources. The australian economy is heavily reliant on mineral exports (mostly to China) which wasn't hurt too badly by the recession. Japan has been stagnant for over 15 years, with near 0 growth, an aging demographic and occasional bouts of deflationary currency.

China is a longer story (or at least I know more about it) and can't really be answered in 1 post. BUT, A) Chinese people love to save. Why? Because China has NO, NONE, ZERO social safety network. Like as in, if you can't pay at a hospital they won't operate despite you bleeding out on their floor. (I know because we took this kid to a hospital that had been hit by a car once and they wouldn't operate until my friend's mom agreed to pay for him). B) They have a HUGE trade surplus, which means the government has buckets of cash and so do most companies. And since the economy is heavily interfered with by the government, when the recession hit they put something in the neighborhood of 200-300 billion dollars into the economy to keep things running. Those are just two reasons that I can think of off the top of my head.

As for Canada, who knows why those canooks do anything?:)

Don't know if this is completely relevant but check it out, It's about Norway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA

Wait a minute, so Canada isnt socialist? how can all these republicans like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck go around saying "socialist canada" and not get challeneged on it? I just thought since they where on TV and popular that they where right. man i so feel brainwashed now.

I always thought Canada was socialist because i kept hearing people like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin say so.. Is it really true that people in Brittain have bad teeth? thats another thing ive been hearing also

[QUOTE="IZoMBiEI"]theres some crazy republicans that think having universal healthcare automatically makes the entire country socialist. This is in fact wrong and is used a just a scare tactic.bluezy

Actually this is very interesting. If you looked at the polls between Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform and Obama's, you'll find point where the majority of the population would be open to single-payer, but when it Obama attempted healthcare reform, the majority of the population turned against it. It's scary what propaganda can do.

Wait a minute, so Canada isnt socialist? how can all these republicans like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck go around saying "socialist canada" and not get challeneged on it? I just thought since they where on TV and popular that they where right. man i so feel brainwashed now.

I always thought Canada was socialist because i kept hearing people like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin say so.. Is it really true that people in Brittain have bad teeth? thats another thing ive been hearing also

ColonelDrakePS3

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"] What? are you joking? China is borderline communist and Canada is poster country for Socialism along with AustraliaColonelDrakePS3

My sarcasm meter is broken right now so I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic but China is pretty much the country you'd pick if you wanted to describe absolute nearly laissez-faire capitalism. On your second point, what?

[QUOTE="bluezy"]

[QUOTE="IZoMBiEI"]theres some crazy republicans that think having universal healthcare automatically makes the entire country socialist. This is in fact wrong and is used a just a scare tactic.Former_Slacker

Actually this is very interesting. If you looked at the polls between Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform and Obama's, you'll find point where the majority of the population would be open to single-payer, but when it Obama attempted healthcare reform, the majority of the population turned against it. It's scary what propaganda can do.

Don't know if this is completely relevant but check it out, It's about Norway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA

Treflis

Now if only I spoke a Scandinavian language.

Don't know if this is completely relevant but check it out, It's about Norway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA

Treflis

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.aRE-you-AFraid

Seems to be a common theme these days. People just get a few GDP and unemployment numbers. Throw in some social services and boom they make broad judgments on whos better.

I wish things were that simple.

In relevant news; http://beforeitsnews.com/story/70/874/Canada_s_healthcare_bankrupt:_warning_to_USA_s_Obamacare.html Canada's health care system to go bankrupt. Vandalvideo

Tommy Douglas on Medicare, pay attention to the per-capita spending that Canada does compared to the US at the time (1983).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oUInTUlAM

Now look at this, CRS report to Congress on spending done on healthcare out of all of the OECD nations, look who's at the top and then compare the increase in spending between the US and Canada from 1983 to 2004.

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf

Edit: For those that do not want to read, spending per-capita

1983:

US: 9% of GDP
Canada: 7% of GDP

2004:

US: 15.3% of GDP
Canada: 9.9% of GDP

Also consider the fact that the US has a higher GDP than Canada.

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]None of those countries are socialist. They are, in fact, capitalistic like the US (with the exception of China which is communist, although they're moving towards capitalism and Hong Kong is probably the freest economy in the world).gameguy6700

[QUOTE="aRE-you-AFraid"][QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"] What? are you joking? China is borderline communist and Canada is poster country for Socialism along with Australiamajwill24

Seems to be a common theme these days. People just get a few GDP and unemployment numbers. Throw in some social services and boom they make broad judgments on whos better.

I wish things were that simple.

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="clayron"]Um, I was unaware those countries were entirely socialist.Former_Slacker

My sarcasm meter is broken right now so I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic but China is pretty much the country you'd pick if you wanted to describe absolute nearly laissez-faire capitalism. On your second point, what?

No you wouldn't. The Chinese government intervenes regularly in their economy. It is very carefully controlled and not even close to laissez-faire capitalism. It is a mixed economy that leans towards socialism and interventionism.

In relevant news; http://beforeitsnews.com/story/70/874/Canada_s_healthcare_bankrupt:_warning_to_USA_s_Obamacare.html Canada's health care system to go bankrupt. Vandalvideo

"Before It's News", submitted by Anonymous, sourced to "TheComingDepression.net"

Er, right. :P

Wait a minute, so Canada isnt socialist? how can all these republicans like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck go around saying "socialist canada" and not get challeneged on it? I just thought since they where on TV and popular that they where right. man i so feel brainwashed now.

I always thought Canada was socialist because i kept hearing people like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin say so.. Is it really true that people in Brittain have bad teeth? thats another thing ive been hearing also

ColonelDrakePS3

Because in canada we don't talk about capitalism, socialism, republicans... We talk about common sense.

"Before It's News", submitted by Anonymous, sourced to "TheComingDepression.net"

Er, right. :PGabuEx

It is a fact that many people in Canada have died because of their poorly run state healthcare system. Some of them mind you, have been able to receive the care they needed by going to the US. We should be asking ourselves why this is the case. Barbara Wagner from Oregon was denied a life-saving drug by their state-run healthcare system but was offered a drug for assisted suicidethat article

This fine piece of journalism also shows a horrific lack of proof to back up the claims, as well as basic journalistic standards, like, you know, objectivity.

No country is really booming right now, 'cept Best Korea of course. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="bluezy"]

[QUOTE="IZoMBiEI"]theres some crazy republicans that think having universal healthcare automatically makes the entire country socialist. This is in fact wrong and is used a just a scare tactic.Former_Slacker

Actually this is very interesting. If you looked at the polls between Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform and Obama's, you'll find point where the majority of the population would be open to single-payer, but when it Obama attempted healthcare reform, the majority of the population turned against it. It's scary what propaganda can do.

There was a poll that showed when broken down, most americans agreed with Obama's healthcare reform.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="bluezy"] A scare tactic that really sucks, because we like ours here. You guys would probably like it, too.

Ingenemployee

Actually this is very interesting. If you looked at the polls between Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform and Obama's, you'll find point where the majority of the population would be open to single-payer, but when it Obama attempted healthcare reform, the majority of the population turned against it. It's scary what propaganda can do.

There was a poll that showed when broken down, most americans agreed with Obama's healthcare reform.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="bluezy"] A scare tactic that really sucks, because we like ours here. You guys would probably like it, too.

Actually this is very interesting. If you looked at the polls between Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform and Obama's, you'll find point where the majority of the population would be open to single-payer, but when it Obama attempted healthcare reform, the majority of the population turned against it. It's scary what propaganda can do.

There was a poll that showed when broken down, most americans agreed with Obama's healthcare reform.