If Texas were to secede...

I'm going to say no. I just cant imagine liberal democrats supporting going to war if Texas decided to leave the union over economic reasons. The right wing, while gung ho about a strong US, would probably be hesitant about killing fellow Americans on anything that isnt considered a gross human rights violations like genocide or slavery. Realistically, the red states would probably see it as an opportunity for them as it would shake up things. Governors and Republicans would probably use the issue as a way to leverage concessions from the federal government.

i doubt they would at first, only if like EVERYONE seceded would they

Texas would never secede to begin with.. It is not capable of becoming a nation of it self.. It would be much like my arm rebelling against my body.. What happens? my arm depends off oxygen, nutrient and the like carried through the blood stream that isn't there any more.. Nor could the arm have leverage by being attached to the shoulder.. Texas is not antonomous it depends off multiple states, the federal government and many more.. People seem to think states are like what they were in the 1800s.. That just isn't true any more..

I want to visit Texas some day.

I hear everything is bigger in Texas.

[spoiler] Especially the women's disappointment. BOOM! [/spoiler]

I want to visit Texas some day.

I hear everything is bigger in Texas.

[spoiler] Especially the women's disappointment. BOOM! [/spoiler] entropyecho

As a Texan who hasn't heard that joke before, unlike all the other abused stereo-types and whatnot out there, I found it hilarious. :lol:

Can't Texas legally join Mexico at any time? I thought it was the only state that had that right.Fried_Shrimp

No.

Any group of people CAN survive on their own...it is arrogant to say otherwise. The question becomes what standard of living that group of people is willing to accept in exchange for 'freedom'rawsavon

No Texas could not survive as a nation.. THE US would economically and politically strangle the life out of it.. It would be a nation much like Somalia or other such nations who are third world countries with a complete lack of government or a extremely government.. Sure people could co-exist on the land, but to actually form a government and have a thriving economy no..

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Any group of people CAN survive on their own...it is arrogant to say otherwise. The question becomes what standard of living that group of people is willing to accept in exchange for 'freedom'sSubZerOo

No Texas could not survive as a nation.. THE US would economically and politically strangle the life out of it.. It would be a nation much like Somalia or other such nations who are third world countries with a complete lack of government or a extremely government.. Sure people could co-exist on the land, but to actually form a government and have a thriving economy no..

Can't Texas legally join Mexico at any time? I thought it was the only state that had that right.Fried_Shrimp

They tried once...

[spoiler] it did not turn out well [/spoiler]

War? Probably not. If Texas didn't rejoin, then I'd expect there would be major free trade agreements and the like as the U.S. would suffer greatly without the economic unification. But how the cards would fall depends too much on political factors for me to make an accurate judgement.

My personal preference would be to let the states grumbling about seceding (like Texas, Alabama, Mississippi...etc) go ahead and do so just long enough for us to get legislation through Congress before forcing them back in. You know, like what happened the first time the South tried to leave. Lincoln was able to get all sorts of legislation through that the Confederate states probably could have delayed for decades if they chose to just hang around and be obstructionists.nocoolnamejim

Instead of forcing them back in, wouldnt it be better to let them crawl back?

War just seems so unnecessary to me

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My personal preference would be to let the states grumbling about seceding (like Texas, Alabama, Mississippi...etc) go ahead and do so just long enough for us to get legislation through Congress before forcing them back in. You know, like what happened the first time the South tried to leave. Lincoln was able to get all sorts of legislation through that the Confederate states probably could have delayed for decades if they chose to just hang around and be obstructionists.majwill24

Instead of forcing them back in, wouldnt it be better to let them crawl back?

War just seems so unnecessary to me

of course, we would have to invade and take it back before mexico did.comp_atkins

Very unlikely. People identify more with their country than their state. That's much different than what it was back in the pre civil war days when people identified more with their state than country. Besides, we've been trying to get New Jersey to secede for years and they just won't go. We've offered them to Canada, the UK, even Iran. No takers.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Any group of people CAN survive on their own...it is arrogant to say otherwise. The question becomes what standard of living that group of people is willing to accept in exchange for 'freedom'sSubZerOo

No Texas could not survive as a nation.. THE US would economically and politically strangle the life out of it.. It would be a nation much like Somalia or other such nations who are third world countries with a complete lack of government or a extremely government.. Sure people could co-exist on the land, but to actually form a government and have a thriving economy no..

Woah. While we can debate on how successful or not a independent Texas would be, do you really think Texas would devolve into something resembling Somalia?

Also, I doubt the US would strangle it. Conservatives and Republicans would fight and block anything that would be considered vindictive. Texans will probably be viewed by the majority as still Americans and I think many would support a peaceful and beneficial relationship.

Very unlikely. People identify more with their country than their state. That's much different than what it was back in the pre civil war days when people identified more with their state than country. Besides, we've been trying to get New Jersey to secede for years and they just won't go. We've offered them to Canada, the UK, even Iran. No takers.

sonicare

Texas would never secede to begin with.. It is not capable of becoming a nation of it self.. It would be much like my arm rebelling against my body.. What happens? my arm depends off oxygen, nutrient and the like carried through the blood stream that isn't there any more.. Nor could the arm have leverage by being attached to the shoulder.. Texas is not antonomous it depends off multiple states, the federal government and many more.. People seem to think states are like what they were in the 1800s.. That just isn't true any more..

sSubZerOo

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Any group of people CAN survive on their own...it is arrogant to say otherwise. The question becomes what standard of living that group of people is willing to accept in exchange for 'freedom'majwill24

No Texas could not survive as a nation.. THE US would economically and politically strangle the life out of it.. It would be a nation much like Somalia or other such nations who are third world countries with a complete lack of government or a extremely government.. Sure people could co-exist on the land, but to actually form a government and have a thriving economy no..

Woah. While we can debate on how successful or not a independent Texas would be, do you really think Texas would devolve into something resembling Somalia?

Also, I doubt the US would strangle it. Conservatives and Republicans would fight and block anything that would be considered vindictive. Texans will probably be viewed by the majority as still Americans and I think many would support a peaceful and beneficial relationship.

.. Oh yeah I do.. And the US would boycott them til youc ome back.. These states are not autonomous.. They have energy systems, infastructure, water systems that go across state that are shared.. The US would cut those off.. Furthermore the agriculture would need to be retooled because they either don't grow enough food for themselves or they complete lack the industry of processing it which is shipped to different states around the country.. When you go to a super market and the majority of the food you see often times is from a different state.. Each state has specialized industries and has been forming a infastructure around specialization and depending off other states for key resources and has been doing so for going on 80 years.. Furthermore businesses will most likely pull the hell out of the Texas simply due tot he fact the US will not support them if they have business with in the nation.. Lets not forget many key resources, services, andt he like within each state are owned and controlled by the government.. States are not autonomous.. They havn't been for well over 100 years..

And no conservatives would not support this what so ever, because this would be a detrimental impact on both sides.. There would be nothing to gain.. The only people who consider this a good idea are the loony extreme conservatives and tea partiers who lack any knowledge in the fields to make their opinion worth anything.. Texas would most likely go bankrupt immediately trying to fill in the wholes of the economy to support their people, as well as forfil government jobs and repaying back the federal government.. From army bases to government facilities.. You honeslty think Texas would not pay for those?

I'm more interested in what they would call themselves.

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Texas would never secede to begin with.. It is not capable of becoming a nation of it self.. It would be much like my arm rebelling against my body.. What happens? my arm depends off oxygen, nutrient and the like carried through the blood stream that isn't there any more.. Nor could the arm have leverage by being attached to the shoulder.. Texas is not antonomous it depends off multiple states, the federal government and many more.. People seem to think states are like what they were in the 1800s.. That just isn't true any more..

Zyrokin

If anyone could do it, it would be Texas. I have no doubt they would accomplish it. The only reason they might not is the repercussions on football. That would totally ruin college football ;) Texas is the true red state as well, so I figure Republicans would be sad that they lost that. In the end I think a few states would join Texas. War? Maybe.

I don't care what state it is.. People seem to lack a view of reality when it comes to this.. Texas nor any single state does not have the industries, government organization and many other things to make a the country autonomous.. Texas like every state relies off key food imports, go betweens and numerous other things.. Furthermore the US would sure has hell make sure they would have little to no countries to trade with them..

I would move to Texas.Stevo_the_gamer

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Texas would never secede to begin with.. It is not capable of becoming a nation of it self.. It would be much like my arm rebelling against my body.. What happens? my arm depends off oxygen, nutrient and the like carried through the blood stream that isn't there any more.. Nor could the arm have leverage by being attached to the shoulder.. Texas is not antonomous it depends off multiple states, the federal government and many more.. People seem to think states are like what they were in the 1800s.. That just isn't true any more..

sSubZerOo

If anyone could do it, it would be Texas. I have no doubt they would accomplish it. The only reason they might not is the repercussions on football. That would totally ruin college football ;) Texas is the true red state as well, so I figure Republicans would be sad that they lost that. In the end I think a few states would join Texas. War? Maybe.

I don't care what state it is.. People seem to lack a view of reality when it comes to this.. Texas nor any single state does not have the industries, government organization and many other things to make a the country autonomous.. Texas like every state relies off key food imports, go betweens and numerous other things.. Furthermore the US would sure has hell make sure they would have little to no countries to trade with them..

If any State except California were to secede... they would crumble economically within a year. Texas might do better then some other states, but it would fall as well.

There is really no chance of any of this ever happening. It would be interesting though.

If any State except California were to secede... they would crumble economically within a year. Texas might do better then some other states, but it would fall as well.

Grodus5

are you crazy,the us armed forces are not match for the republic of texas,

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]of course, we would have to invade and take it back before mexico did.Sajo7

Not really.. texans are armed to the teeth..

Secession is illegal and they would be brought back in by force.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]of course, we would have to invade and take it back before mexico did.Espada12

Not really.. texans are armed to the teeth..

They won't need to; once Texas gets over its rebellious adolescent phaze, they'll come crawling back and will from then on act like a responsible, mature state.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]of course, we would have to invade and take it back before mexico did.Espada12

Not really.. texans are armed to the teeth..

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]

If anyone could do it, it would be Texas. I have no doubt they would accomplish it. The only reason they might not is the repercussions on football. That would totally ruin college football ;) Texas is the true red state as well, so I figure Republicans would be sad that they lost that. In the end I think a few states would join Texas. War? Maybe.

I don't care what state it is.. People seem to lack a view of reality when it comes to this.. Texas nor any single state does not have the industries, government organization and many other things to make a the country autonomous.. Texas like every state relies off key food imports, go betweens and numerous other things.. Furthermore the US would sure has hell make sure they would have little to no countries to trade with them..

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I don't care what state it is.. People seem to lack a view of reality when it comes to this.. Texas nor any single state does not have the industries, government organization and many other things to make a the country autonomous.. Texas like every state relies off key food imports, go betweens and numerous other things.. Furthermore the US would sure has hell make sure they would have little to no countries to trade with them..

rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] I just see it as a possibility. They have the natural resources, they could very well fight through the initial tough times. And if anyone has the bring it attitude towards the federal government, it would be Texas. The US would try, but I don't know how many would rally behind the US. Just saying, it's not as far from a possibility as you would like to think.Theokhoth

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] SubZero fails to realize that people can survive almost any set of conditions...Zyrokin

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] I just see it as a possibility. They have the natural resources, they could very well fight through the initial tough times. And if anyone has the bring it attitude towards the federal government, it would be Texas. The US would try, but I don't know how many would rally behind the US. Just saying, it's not as far from a possibility as you would like to think.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] They can survive, but they wouldn't exactly have as comfortable a standard of living as they currently do.

Theokhoth