If there is no divine accountability after one dies...

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously. 

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Dasc00

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously.

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Ineedtofindyou

There are morals and then there are ethics. sonicare

True, but that's not what I'm asking to discuss.

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously.

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

tequilasunriser

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously. 

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Ineedtofindyou

Yes, it would be very different. Just because a God wouldn't be judging you deosn't mean that others (more importantly yourself) would not.

And something very important to this...do you believe in God yourself?

Even if the afterlife doesn't exist you should do things beneficial to the earth and the people who live in it. That's my perspective.teh_forbidden

The earth won't be around for another hundred years.  What's the point?  Prolong the destruction of everything?  Won't human nature override such trivial precautions?

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously.

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Ineedtofindyou

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously. 

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Fortier

Yes, it would be very different. Just because a God wouldn't be judging you deosn't mean that others (more importantly yourself) would not.

And something very important to this...do you believe in God yourself?

Having other men judge you should not really matter if there is no accountability.  And hell, it's not like people are doing anything with their lives once they're past 30. Might as well live it up, hmm?

And do I believe in God?  lmfao :lol:

[QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?h0wtehnub

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"]Even if the afterlife doesn't exist you should do things beneficial to the earth and the people who live in it. That's my perspective.Ineedtofindyou

The earth won't be around for another hundred years.  What's the point?  Prolong the destruction of everything?  Won't human nature override such trivial precautions?

[QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?h0wtehnub

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"]Even if the afterlife doesn't exist you should do things beneficial to the earth and the people who live in it. That's my perspective.Dasc00

The earth won't be around for another hundred years.  What's the point?  Prolong the destruction of everything?  Won't human nature override such trivial precautions?

Then what's the point of benefitting society if this world will end?  When your life ends?  We have not aspired towards anything, and your efforts would prove worthless when you die.

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587

Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Dasc00

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Snomel

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

[QUOTE="Fortier"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously. 

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Ineedtofindyou

Yes, it would be very different. Just because a God wouldn't be judging you deosn't mean that others (more importantly yourself) would not.

And something very important to this...do you believe in God yourself?

Having other men judge you should not really matter if there is no accountability.  And hell, it's not like people are doing anything with their lives once they're past 30. Might as well live it up, hmm?

And do I believe in God?  lmfao :lol:

If having other men judge you isn't important to you, that's fine, I can understand that. But just becuase you won't be held accountable for your actions in life doesn't mean you should go on a killing spree or live as a thief. Examine this: regardless of whether or not there is a god, wouldn't you agree that a rich man who donates faithfully to charities is a better man that a serial killer?

And I'm guessing that's a big fat no as to your faith..that puts us in the same boat, but I still disagree with everything else.

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"]Even if the afterlife doesn't exist you should do things beneficial to the earth and the people who live in it. That's my perspective.Ineedtofindyou

The earth won't be around for another hundred years.  What's the point?  Prolong the destruction of everything?  Won't human nature override such trivial precautions?

Then what's the point of benefitting society if this world will end?  When your life ends?  We have not aspired towards anything, and your efforts would prove worthless when you die.

[QUOTE="Snomel"]

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

[QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?limpbizkit818

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously.

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

Ineedtofindyou

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="Snomel"]

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Dasc00

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

There is no objective proof of value, if no god. Any subjective value is delusional and meaningless, if no god, since there is no afterlife, no accountability, and all things become dust and ashes.

You are free to live life as the person you are without any divine accountability. Now if it's a life of rape and murder, then you'll be accountable by human laws that protect the majority from the minority offenders like yourself but once you're dead, that's it. Oblivion.

The idea that humans are misanthropic by nature is an unsupported one as we're self-aware social animals.
 Atrus

True.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Dasc00

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

then I can pursue a life of violence or rape, go above the law(just as many others do in our society) and it wouldn't be any better than one living their life for the sake of goodness.

If anything, no accountability for one's actions allows one to presume that life is all fun and games and shouldn't be taken seriously.

If this is true, then the meaning of life is to discard the meaning for the sake of no accountability?

If time is a perception, then how can man percept existence?

Discuss.

yoshi-lnex

There is no proof also of earth value, human value, meaning of life, morality. These are delusional beliefs, if no god. I choose the evidences of belief in the transcendent. What makes your children more important than worms, if no god? Planets and stars all die. If no afterlife, nothing matters. Look at the big picture.

Value in terms of what?  Living?

If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife.daniel52587

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="Snomel"]

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

There is no objective proof of value, if no god. Any subjective value is delusional and meaningless, if no god, since there is no afterlife, no accountability, and all things become dust and ashes.

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587

Bertrand Russell said if there were no god, we would have to invent one. If no god, it's a dog's breakfast.

There is no objective proof of value, if no god. Any subjective value is delusional and meaningless, if no god, since there is no afterlife, no accountability, and all things become dust and ashes. Ineedtofindyou

But, at the end of the day, if everyone were to lead a reasonable moral life, everyone would be a lot happier. It doesn't matter whether our actions have any external "value", they make day to day like more bearable for ourselves and others.

At the end of the day, we don't know why we're here, we don't know when we will cease to be here. But we might as well spend the time making the world a pleasant place, both for ourselves and for others.

[QUOTE="daniel52587"]If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife.yoshi-lnex

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587

nightshade85 has said something sigworthy, folks.  And I admire Dasc00's persistence.  however, if there is one thing that is true in this world, it is that Skeptics always win (the school of thought, not conspiracy theorists).  I'd advise you guys to avoid thinking too deeply on this, it can make you quite depressed and misanthropic.  I'm a solipsist, but I just tend to ignore the truths it forces upon me.crucifine

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="Snomel"]

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

People who are afraid of death? Or to help people grieve..... Death seems less threatening if you can imagine a nice, happy afterlife.

And in answer to the main topic...... I believe that people should live the best life possible, just... because. Morality shouldn't be based on religion. I think that Immanuel Kant argued something along these lines, but I forget....

There is no objective proof of value, if no god. Any subjective value is delusional and meaningless, if no god, since there is no afterlife, no accountability, and all things become dust and ashes.

[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou

Bertrand Russell said if there were no god, we would have to invent one. If no god, it's a dog's breakfast.

We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.

Nothing more and always less.

My advice is to not worry about such petty things as the greatest inevitable darkness and just enjoy what you can while you can. Try not to make things more complicated than they already are. :)
 tequilasunriser

If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.