If there is no divine accountability after one dies...
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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]Im curious to where they got the idea of afterlife... i mean, who would of thought there was a life after said life has ended? If you eat a oreo, theres not a...2nd oreo, is there?there are a lot more in the box. But when you eat the oreo, it is still there. It just went down into your stomach. Then is digested and #2'ed out. Ok....I lost where I was going with that.:? But there has to be an afterlife. Life would be meaningless. If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife. Is there a meaning to why cancer exists? No. There's no such thing as a meaning. I get what you are saying. But cancer has meaning. One might be to end your life. When someones life is ending, it tends to bring family closer together. It brings out the love. Love is the secret to everything. That is the meaning of life. There has to be an afterlife. Where did our conscience come from? Scientist still cant figure out the link between our brain and our conscience. I read it in a time magazine one day when I went to see my ENT doctor. A conscience cant physically die like a body, because it isnt physical. By the way, I dont believe in god per se.[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587
Bertrand Russell said if there were no god, we would have to invent one. If no god, it's a dog's breakfast.
I believe everything is god. All of our conscience is really one. We are just split in this dimension. When we die, we go back to the one-ness. We are all god. The universe is god. That is my belief.Very logical viewpoint.
[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]Im curious to where they got the idea of afterlife... i mean, who would of thought there was a life after said life has ended? If you eat a oreo, theres not a...2nd oreo, is there?there are a lot more in the box. But when you eat the oreo, it is still there. It just went down into your stomach. Then is digested and #2'ed out. Ok....I lost where I was going with that.:? But there has to be an afterlife. Life would be meaningless. If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife. Is there a meaning to why cancer exists? No. There's no such thing as a meaning. I get what you are saying. But cancer has meaning. One might be to end your life. When someones life is ending, it tends to bring family closer together. It brings out the love. Love is the secret to everything. That is the meaning of life. There has to be an afterlife. Where did our conscience come from? Scientist still cant figure out the link between our brain and our conscience. I read it in a time magazine one day when I went to see my ENT doctor. A conscience cant physically die like a body, because it isnt physical. By the way, I dont believe in god per se.[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587
Bertrand Russell said if there were no god, we would have to invent one. If no god, it's a dog's breakfast.
I believe everything is god. All of our conscience is really one. We are just split in this dimension. When we die, we go back to the one-ness. We are all god. The universe is god. That is my belief. Almost panthesist. That's what I believe in, I just don't like to refer to the universe as god because some people might misunderstand and think I'm talking about a man in the sky.Many people think there is significance in morality . The idea of being a morally upstanding citizen only because you will go to heaven is really kind of hollow if you think about it. We don't realize its part of our natural instincts to be appalled at things that are precived as bad. I try to live a just life for my own self fulfilment, I don't have any grudges, or spite for anyone, and I try to live a good life. I don't do this because of religious convictions, but if their is a god im sure he will see the good in me, wether i believe in him or not.KrayzieJ
Define good.
[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?daniel52587Im curious to where they got the idea of afterlife... i mean, who would of thought there was a life after said life has ended? If you eat a oreo, theres not a...2nd oreo, is there?there are a lot more in the box. But when you eat the oreo, it is still there. It just went down into your stomach. Then is digested and #2'ed out. Ok....I lost where I was going with that.:? But there has to be an afterlife. Life would be meaningless. If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife. Is there a meaning to why cancer exists? No. There's no such thing as a meaning. I get what you are saying. But cancer has meaning. One might be to end your life. When someones life is ending, it tends to bring family closer together. It brings out the love. Love is the secret to everything. That is the meaning of life. There has to be an afterlife. Where did our conscience come from? Scientist still cant figure out the link between our brain and our conscience. I read it in a time magazine one day when I went to see my ENT doctor. A conscience cant physically die like a body, because it isnt physical. By the way, I dont believe in god per se. Both conscience and love come from parts of our brain, they are nothing more than electro-chemical reactions, it has been discovered how it arises, and have shown it to be physical.
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]Many people think there is significance in morality . The idea of being a morally upstanding citizen only because you will go to heaven is really kind of hollow if you think about it. We don't realize its part of our natural instincts to be appalled at things that are precived as bad. I try to live a just life for my own self fulfilment, I don't have any grudges, or spite for anyone, and I try to live a good life. I don't do this because of religious convictions, but if their is a god im sure he will see the good in me, wether i believe in him or not.Ineedtofindyou
Define good.
Helpful towards others, no harm. Good.I believe everything is god. All of our conscience is really one. We are just split in this dimension. We are god learning through ourselves in our dimension. When we die, we go back to the one-ness. We are all god. The universe/universes is god. That is my belief.daniel52587
That sounds kind of like the ideas of some Presocratic philosophers.... which I'm currently meant to be writing an essay about.... but I'm not writing the essay, because I'm on here.... but there's clearly no escape from their ideas =P
Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Dasc00
haha, people will do whatever their creator would say if indeed they wanted to be faithful to their creator. But that's just my opinion.Â
If there was no God, then there would be no point in anything. Like how Saddam got away with his actions, sure he got executed but he was old by then.Josh_345He'll be remembered for the rest of human history as a genocidal maniac.....that's the consequence of his actions.
[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]Many people think there is significance in morality . The idea of being a morally upstanding citizen only because you will go to heaven is really kind of hollow if you think about it. We don't realize its part of our natural instincts to be appalled at things that are precived as bad. I try to live a just life for my own self fulfilment, I don't have any grudges, or spite for anyone, and I try to live a good life. I don't do this because of religious convictions, but if their is a god im sure he will see the good in me, wether i believe in him or not.Dasc00
Define good.
Helpful towards others, no harm. Good.Helpful in this life, when there is no accountability?Â
[QUOTE="Josh_345"]If there was no God, then there would be no point in anything. Like how Saddam got away with his actions, sure he got executed but he was old by then.yoshi-lnexHe'll be remembered for the rest of human history as a genocidal maniac.....that's the consequence of his actions. Why would he care? I mean who know's in a few years people could be thinking he was a hero.
[QUOTE="Josh_345"]If there was no God, then there would be no point in anything. Like how Saddam got away with his actions, sure he got executed but he was old by then.yoshi-lnexHe'll be remembered for the rest of human history as a genocidal maniac.....that's the consequence of his actions.
meh, big deal. Hitler is praised for what he's done, or at least he is considered pretty darn resrouceful at that.
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]Many people think there is significance in morality . The idea of being a morally upstanding citizen only because you will go to heaven is really kind of hollow if you think about it. We don't realize its part of our natural instincts to be appalled at things that are perceived as bad. I try to live a just life for my own self fulfilment, I don't have any grudges, or spite for anyone, and I try to live a good life. I don't do this because of religious convictions, but if their is a god im sure he will see the good in me, wether i believe in him or not.Ineedtofindyou
Define good.
anything I perceive to be good. Anything I feel is how I should live and want to live for myself. For example, I see respect for other people no matter how they are as being something that is good. Not to be a hypocrite I hold my ignorance just as anyone, but I try to help myself. Good is what brings a positive impulse in my brain. Nothing more or less.We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.Â
 tequilasunriser
Then how can you trust your thoughts?
[QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?h0wtehnubIm curious to where they got the idea of afterlife... i mean, who would of thought there was a life after said life has ended? If you eat a oreo, theres not a...2nd oreo, is there? helps one sleep at night. Also, no one (no matter how much you think), can comprehend no life after death. Even if you "understand" it, you cant fully comprehend it
[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]Im curious to where they got the idea of afterlife... i mean, who would of thought there was a life after said life has ended? If you eat a oreo, theres not a...2nd oreo, is there?there are a lot more in the box. But when you eat the oreo, it is still there. It just went down into your stomach. Then is digested and #2'ed out. Ok....I lost where I was going with that.:? But there has to be an afterlife. Life would be meaningless. If life was meaningless, then why are we living? Because there IS meaning; therefore there must be an afterlife. Is there a meaning to why cancer exists? No. There's no such thing as a meaning. I get what you are saying. But cancer has meaning. One might be to end your life. When someones life is ending, it tends to bring family closer together. It brings out the love. Love is the secret to everything. That is the meaning of life. There has to be an afterlife. Where did our conscience come from? Scientist still cant figure out the link between our brain and our conscience. I read it in a time magazine one day when I went to see my ENT doctor. A conscience cant physically die like a body, because it isnt physical. By the way, I dont believe in god per se.[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]Wait a sec....I have a question. Do people who believe in the afterlife only do good things because they will be rewarded by getting into heaven? So does that mean if there wasn't a heaven you'd do bad things?Ineedtofindyou
Bertrand Russell said if there were no god, we would have to invent one. If no god, it's a dog's breakfast.
I believe everything is god. All of our conscience is really one. We are just split in this dimension. When we die, we go back to the one-ness. We are all god. The universe is god. That is my belief.Very logical viewpoint.
Deep stuff.
[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.
Ineedtofindyou
Then how can you trust your thoughts?
If you didn't trust your thoughts then you would probably go insane. its a natural survival method. Its what makes you decide on how to react , your brain naturally computes these things.[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.
Nothing more and always less.
My advice is to not worry about such petty things as the greatest inevitable darkness and just enjoy what you can while you can. Try not to make things more complicated than they already are. :)
Ineedtofindyou
If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.
So be it. I am a fool. At least I know who and what I am. What about you?
If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.
Ineedtofindyou
Not quite. Humans were born to be humans, just like a lion or dog were born to be lions and dogs. By nature, we work toward the benefit of our species, a topic which is involved and complex so as to link us to the planet and all other living things. A lot of this is owed to our higher capacity of knowledge and intelligence.
Misanthropy is not a part of our species identity any more than it is part of the identity of any other social animal. The only way we accept this idea as being a part of our identity is through ignorance, be it through dogma, ideology or indoctrination.
Just think about it. Our ability to kill each other acts on the basis of dehumanization, if we dehumanize our enemies we make it all that much easier to kill them. Well if dehumanization makes it easier to kill, what then does it say about humanization? If humans were misanthropic by nature then isn't it odd that when we humanize, or make human, our ability for misanthropy decreases?
So why should something beneficial to mankind supercede something malicious? Because it's a part of who you were born as and in the one life that is certain to exist, it would be a disgusting waste for you to live the life of someone other than the person you were born by nature to be.
[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.
Nothing more and always less.
My advice is to not worry about such petty things as the greatest inevitable darkness and just enjoy what you can while you can. Try not to make things more complicated than they already are. :)
tequilasunriser
If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.
So be it. I am a fool. At least I know who and what I am. What about you?
No thanks, I'm straight.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Josh_345"]If there was no God, then there would be no point in anything. Like how Saddam got away with his actions, sure he got executed but he was old by then.Josh_345He'll be remembered for the rest of human history as a genocidal maniac.....that's the consequence of his actions. Why would he care? I mean who know's in a few years people could be thinking he was a hero. He's dead so he can't, but it's a persons influences that live on after they die.
[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.
Atrus
Not quite. Humans were born to be humans, just like a lion or dog were born to be lions and dogs.
Maybe by your perception, lol.
By nature, we work toward the benefit of our species
Is there evidence to prove this?
Misanthropy is not a part of our species identity any more than it is part of the identity of any other social animal. The only way we accept this idea as being a part of our identity is through ignorance, be it through dogma, ideology or indoctrination.
No surprise.
Just think about it. Our ability to kill each other acts on the basis of dehumanization, if we dehumanize our enemies we make it all that much easier to kill them. Well if dehumanization makes it easier to kill, what then does it say about humanization? If humans were misanthropic by nature then isn't it odd that when we humanize, or make human, our ability for misanthropy decreases?
Very logical indeed.
So why should something beneficial to mankind supercede something malicious? Because it's a part of who you were born as and in the one life that is certain to exist, it would be a disgusting waste for you to live the life of someone other than the person you were born by nature to be.
Disgusting, yes, but it's the more logical routue considering one onlu has one life, if no accountability.
[QUOTE="Josh_345"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Josh_345"]If there was no God, then there would be no point in anything. Like how Saddam got away with his actions, sure he got executed but he was old by then.yoshi-lnexHe'll be remembered for the rest of human history as a genocidal maniac.....that's the consequence of his actions. Why would he care? I mean who know's in a few years people could be thinking he was a hero. He's dead so he can't, but it's a persons influences that live on after they die.
Doesn't really matter, since their life is over.Â
[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]We are just a complex aray of organic compounds.
Nothing more and always less.
My advice is to not worry about such petty things as the greatest inevitable darkness and just enjoy what you can while you can. Try not to make things more complicated than they already are. :)
Ineedtofindyou
If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life.
So be it. I am a fool. At least I know who and what I am. What about you?
No thanks, I'm straight.
Your limp wristed attitude screams differently.
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