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#1 Oey666
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These are some of the things that needs to be changed:

  • Materialistic values must be not be continued.
  • Religion must go or values in main world religions must be heavily modified.
  • All drugs/narcotics must be grown/produced, distributed and controlled by the state.
  • All borders must be removed.
  • All local laws must be removed and replaced with world laws.
  • Present economic system must be replaced with a real-value system. Meaning; you cannot "make" values (money) out of nothing. All values must be grounded to something concrete.
  • A one world currency must be introduced.
  • All military-grade weapons research must end. Instead the resources currently allocated to this must shift to research within the field of medicine, free energy and space exploration.
  • All national dept between countries and the world bank must be erased. We need to start over.
  • A "max income" must be established for all jobs. No one person needs to accumulate the ridiculous amount of values that some people are able to do today.
  • Schools and education system must be changed to meet the variety of people. Todays system more or less force everyone to learn the same stuff in the same way.
  • Prison must only be used with major offences: Murder, rape, gross violence, gross ignorance (DUIwith a result of injury as an example)and such. All other violations must be punished by communal service and further education.

Yes, I realise this is stepping on almost every ones feet, but take a look at the world today. Can you honestly say that this is a place where you want your children to grow up? Is individualmaterialism and wealth more important than the well being of your fellow human?

I tell you: as of today there are more armed conflicts going on (on a world basis) then there was combined up until the late 1800s. More than 1 billion people do not have enough to eat every day, yet obesity is an increasing problem in western society. The distribution of resources are worse then ever.

We are facing larger and larger global issues; weather/climate-canges, we are continuing to deplete our fuel resources and war is every day news.

If we are to turn this around, every human being on the planet must contribute and OUR lives must change radically. If we do not take action we will create a master-slave society, where the western world continues to rape the planet and the rest of its people.

Soo.. The question is: Do you recognize this? Are you willing to change your life to help someone you've never met and most like never will meet? Do you recognize that all human life is equal and more important then getting a new random item to ease your own life?

Our forefather have left us waist deep in dirt people...and it's raising rapidly. To quote a popular meme: "I am disappoint"

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#2 Sajo7
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Nice little world you have there. Easily conquerable, but nice.
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#3 Oey666
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Nice little world you have there. Easily conquerable, but nice.Sajo7

What is this supposed to mean? Do you not understand my statement perhaps?
We must be unified, not separated. We must focus on similarities instead of differences, but at the same time suffer other people to exercise their individual activities, spritual beliefs and such as long as they do not deprive, hinder or hurt other people in so doing.

Is it really that difficult?

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#4 StopThePresses
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Okay, I'll get to work on all of that right away. (So is this like EMOEVOLUTION's alt account or something? :P )
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Nice little world you have there. Easily conquerable, but nice.Oey666

What is this supposed to mean? Do you not understand my statement perhaps?
We must be unified, not separated. We must focus on similarities instead of differences, but at the same time suffer other people to exercise their individual activities, spritual beliefs and such as long as they do not deprive, hinder or hurt other people in so doing.

Is it really that difficult?

I would imagine that he understands what you are saying just fine. But he is probably saying that providing a counter argument to each point is relatively easy.
I lack the time right now (4:30 am here...time for gym then work). But if this is still around when I get to work at 7:30 (and someone else has not already), then I will do so for you.

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Humanity is naturally greedy, there's always at least one who wouldn't comply. Also, who's to stay who the 'state' are? and what's to stop them from underhand deals?

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#7 Oey666
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rawsavon: By all means. I can take a challenge. Stopthepresses: Your ignorance shines through with your response. In fact, the attitude you show here is what's needed to continue poverty, war, hunger and all other global issues. You simply do not understand or you simply do not care. Both is dangerous.
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#8 dramaybaz
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Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.
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#9 optiow
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Oh? And who is to police this little world you have made up?

I can see definite problems in keeping order and maintaining law, that will probably lead to some form of dictatorship.

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#10 MoonMarvel
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Sounds like an 1984 NWO type deal. No thanks.
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It's all so simple, why has no one done this before? :o
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#12 Oey666
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Humanity is naturally greedy, there's always at least one who wouldn't comply. Also, who's to stay who the 'state' are? and what's to stop them from underhand deals?

DarthJohnova
I don't have all the answers to all the problems that needs adressing...I'm simply pointing out some of the important things that needs change. I do not know how we're supposed to get there or how long it will take. I just recognise that the way things are going is bad. Superficiality and materialism rules western society, individuals (most of us anyway) is not important any longer...our value as humans is being decreased and this needs to stop.
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#13 StopThePresses
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rawsavon: By all means. I can take a challenge. Stopthepresses: Your ignorance shines through with your response. In fact, the attitude you show here is what's needed to continue poverty, war, hunger and all other global issues. You simply do not understand or you simply do not care. Both is dangerous. Oey666
I agree, your ignorance does shine through in your responses and you simply do not understand a thing or two. That much is readily evident.
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[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Humanity is naturally greedy, there's always at least one who wouldn't comply. Also, who's to stay who the 'state' are? and what's to stop them from underhand deals?

Oey666

I don't have all the answers to all the problems that needs adressing...I'm simply pointing out some of the important things that needs change. I do not know how we're supposed to get there or how long it will take. I just recognise that the way things are going is bad. Superficiality and materialism rules western society, individuals (most of us anyway) is not important any longer...our value as humans is being decreased and this needs to stop.

The only way of forcing your vision of utopia on the world is by mass drugging or a violent and endless dictatorship.

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It's all so simple, why has no one done this before? :oZuluEcho14
Like I said, I'm going to get to work on all of that right away.
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To all of you who argue against this; Why? Is it not worth an effort at all? Are you sure that most people are so contempt with their lives that they do not care what happens to someone they do not know? Do you wish to live in a world where you are not taken care of by strangers if something happens to you? Or you children maybe? Do you remeber a few years ago; someone came out in the media with this statement: "If you are being raped or attacked, do not cry out that you are. Because people will not come to your aid. They are either too afraid or too ignorant to get involved. Instead you should yell" Fire, Fire". Cause then, someone will show up and maybe help you." I mean; what the hell? Is this acceptable to you? That we managed to twist our society to this... I, for one, am not.
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#17 Oey666
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Oey666"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Humanity is naturally greedy, there's always at least one who wouldn't comply. Also, who's to stay who the 'state' are? and what's to stop them from underhand deals?

I don't have all the answers to all the problems that needs adressing...I'm simply pointing out some of the important things that needs change. I do not know how we're supposed to get there or how long it will take. I just recognise that the way things are going is bad. Superficiality and materialism rules western society, individuals (most of us anyway) is not important any longer...our value as humans is being decreased and this needs to stop.

The only way of forcing your vision of utopia on the world is by mass drugging or a violent and endless dictatorship.

No. It can be achieved by understanding and enlightenment.
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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"]It's all so simple, why has no one done this before? :oStopThePresses
Like I said, I'm going to get to work on all of that right away.

Yeah but don't waste your time doing voluntary work or anything that would actually be of use to anyone, go argue on the internet about it!
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Oey666"] I don't have all the answers to all the problems that needs adressing...I'm simply pointing out some of the important things that needs change. I do not know how we're supposed to get there or how long it will take. I just recognise that the way things are going is bad. Superficiality and materialism rules western society, individuals (most of us anyway) is not important any longer...our value as humans is being decreased and this needs to stop. Oey666

The only way of forcing your vision of utopia on the world is by mass drugging or a violent and endless dictatorship.

No. It can be achieved by understanding and enlightenment.

So you're the enlightened one?
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To all of you who argue against this; Why? Is it not worth an effort at all? Are you sure that most people are so contempt with their lives that they do not care what happens to someone they do not know? Do you wish to live in a world where you are not taken care of by strangers if something happens to you? Or you children maybe? Do you remeber a few years ago; someone came out in the media with this statement: "If you are being raped or attacked, do not cry out that you are. Because people will not come to your aid. They are either too afraid or too ignorant to get involved. Instead you should yell" Fire, Fire". Cause then, someone will show up and maybe help you." I mean; what the hell? Is this acceptable to you? That we managed to twist our society to this... I, for one, am not. Oey666
You dont need to turn us into a state run dictatorship to get people to help others. Most of us do that already without being trained into it. And cops are paid to help.
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I know that some of you are hugely sceptical of religion, but Christianity is in my opinion the most efficient way of making the world a better place.
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What makes you think I want to make the world a better place?
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#24 Oey666
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Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.dramaybaz

Today they do, yes. But ask yourself; What are they fighting over? Land? Religion? The right to exercise their own ways? Resources?

If we are able to evenly distribute resources, increase the value of human life, exercise caution, respect, empathy, sympathy and so on, what would there be to fight about? And I don't mean arguments, I mean war.

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Sounds like a Dictatorship, the only way to achieve this would be through War as most normal people (including myself) wouldn't agree with your ideas. I have no wish to live in some Socialist Utopian Tyrannical Government that interferes on everything from local laws to how much I get paid.
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.Oey666

Today they do, yes. But ask yourself; What are they fighting over? Land? Religion? The right to exercise their own ways? Resources?

If we are able to evenly distribute resources, increase the value of human life, exercise caution, respect, empathy, sympathy and so on, what would there be to fight about? And I don't mean arguments, I mean war.

How those resources are to be distributed. Also you cant expect people to just willing give up their religion and way of life.
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.Oey666

Today they do, yes. But ask yourself; What are they fighting over? Land? Religion? The right to exercise their own ways? Resources?

If we are able to evenly distribute resources, increase the value of human life, exercise caution, respect, empathy, sympathy and so on, what would there be to fight about? And I don't mean arguments, I mean war.

Racial tensions? Unless you plan on everyone breeding interracially, so that there is just 1 race. But that would mean forcing people to breed. Also relatively small things like for example, someone from 1 region committing murder or rape in another, will be enough to cause tnesion and hatred between the two.
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.Oey666

Today they do, yes. But ask yourself; What are they fighting over? Land? Religion? The right to exercise their own ways? Resources?

If we are able to evenly distribute resources, increase the value of human life, exercise caution, respect, empathy, sympathy and so on, what would there be to fight about? And I don't mean arguments, I mean war.

They're fighting over their own interests. That's what people do - we form groups based on our interests and attempt to realise them. Sometimes those interests clash and that's just the way things are. Unless you want somehow to stop people from developing their own interests, you're going to have power struggles in life, and either way you're going to have suffering.

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"All drugs/narcotics must be grown/produced, distributed and controlled by the state."

Meaning there'd be a state? Hmm... And it was going so nicely too! :(

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[QUOTE="Oey666"]To all of you who argue against this; Why? Is it not worth an effort at all? Are you sure that most people are so contempt with their lives that they do not care what happens to someone they do not know? Do you wish to live in a world where you are not taken care of by strangers if something happens to you? Or you children maybe? Do you remeber a few years ago; someone came out in the media with this statement: "If you are being raped or attacked, do not cry out that you are. Because people will not come to your aid. They are either too afraid or too ignorant to get involved. Instead you should yell" Fire, Fire". Cause then, someone will show up and maybe help you." I mean; what the hell? Is this acceptable to you? That we managed to twist our society to this... I, for one, am not. MoonMarvel

You dont need to turn us into a state run dictatorship to get people to help others. Most of us do that already without being trained into it. And cops are paid to help.

Well, you're sort of right. It isnt about turning things into a dictatorship, it's about changing peoples core values so that we are able to sustain as a species and not treat each other with such cruelty and ignorance. As you point out, not everyone needs this, they already have good values and regardless of color or social status, helps other people and act in a contributory manner. This is, however, changing for the worse.

My original post is, contrary to what some may think, the presentation of the sulotion. It was written so that the reader would ask himself or herself; Is there anything is this at all? Do I know what the situation in the world is and finally; Can I take the responsability to start doing something different in order to make this place good for more people then me and mine?

It is about reflection and wether or not you agree that materialism, greed and all the factors that contribute to the wrongness that clearly is present, should be allowed to continue.

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[QUOTE="Oey666"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Even unified nations fight. Like regions within a nation can have tensions.dramaybaz

Today they do, yes. But ask yourself; What are they fighting over? Land? Religion? The right to exercise their own ways? Resources?

If we are able to evenly distribute resources, increase the value of human life, exercise caution, respect, empathy, sympathy and so on, what would there be to fight about? And I don't mean arguments, I mean war.

Racial tensions? Unless you plan on everyone breeding interracially, so that there is just 1 race. But that would mean forcing people to breed. Also relatively small things like for example, someone from 1 region committing murder or rape in another, will be enough to cause tnesion and hatred between the two.

This is unavoidable anyway. In a couple of hundred years we're all light brown. The genes that cause hair to be blond, eyes to be blue and skin to be light is not dominant.

Why does racial tencions exist? Is it not because of a belief that one race may be inferior to another? Is it not because in the world today we focus almost solely on difference rather than similarities?

We make up so much bull today. Social status based off of material wealth is one. Respect of off social status is another. These things do not really exist, we make them up in order to: "make damn sure you get that you are not as important as me or as valuable as me".I ask you: where does this kind of thinking come from and why is it so accepted?

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#32 testfactor888
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Soo.. The question is: Are you willing to change your life to help someone you've never met and most like never will meet?

Oey666

No I will not change my life for someone I have never met and likely will never meet. I am selfish and that is just the way it is :)

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Oey666
hehe you're so addressing the wrong audience with your proposal. itt: the wealthy westerners.
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#35 Oey666
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[QUOTE="Oey666"]

Discuss

BiancaDK

hehe you're so addressing the wrong audience with your proposal. itt: the wealthy westerners.

I know :) I'm enjoying it very much. Blowing off steam and practicing argumenting at the same time=good.

Edit: Reg wrong crowd. If I can make just one person reflect just a little bit more, then a lot has been achieved. How do you change the world? With one small step after another...

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I know :) I'm enjoying it very much. Blowing off steam and practicing argumenting at the same time=good.

Edit: Reg wrong crowd. If I can make just one person reflect just a little bit more, then a lot has been achieved. How do you change the world? With one small step after another...

Oey666

No offense, but you're being quite the romantic, aren't you? (;

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Color me red, I see some communism in the OP.

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#38 Oey666
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Oey666"]

I know :) I'm enjoying it very much. Blowing off steam and practicing argumenting at the same time=good.

Edit: Reg wrong crowd. If I can make just one person reflect just a little bit more, then a lot has been achieved. How do you change the world? With one small step after another...

No offense, but you're being quite the romantic, aren't you? (;

Hopelessly so, it seems. :)
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#39 blazblue152
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'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

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#40 Oey666
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Color me red, I see some communism in the OP.

immortality20
Not quite.
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'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

blazblue152

No really, tell us more. Tell us as you mock us, believing we don't have brains against arguments filled with holes.

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Hopelessly so, it seems. :)Oey666
Can I ask what made you include space exploration as one of the things that efforts should be funneled into?
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#43 Oey666
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'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

blazblue152

THANK YOU x 1000!!! You've made a new friend today. Nice that someone recognise what I'm trying to say...even though I would not dare use thew phrase "brilliant" about myself. I still embrace your compliment though.

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'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

blazblue152
I don't care about the masses though :)
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[QUOTE="blazblue152"]

'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

testfactor888
I don't care about the masses though :)

You only care for yourself! Are you an athe- Just kidding. :P
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#46 Oey666
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[QUOTE="Oey666"]Hopelessly so, it seems. :)BiancaDK
Can I ask what made you include space exploration as one of the things that efforts should be funneled into?

Yes. The resources we have at our disposal on earth are limited. By exploring space and adapting to this inhospitable environment we can assure our race, humanity, a looooong run, rather then going down in history as one of the sapient species that managed to destroy ourselves with war and pollution over petty issues.
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#47 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="blazblue152"]

'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

SkyWard20
I don't care about the masses though :)

You only care for yourself! Are you an athe- Just kidding. :P

An Athenian? No sorry I do not come from Athens Greece
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#48 immortality20
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Oey666"]Hopelessly so, it seems. :)Oey666
Can I ask what made you include space exploration as one of the things that efforts should be funneled into?

Yes. The resources we have at our disposal on earth are limited. By exploring space and adapting to this inhospitable environment we can assure our race, humanity, a looooong run, rather then going down in history as one of the sapient species that managed to destroy ourselves with war and pollution over petty issues.

So, after you demolish all currencies and all economies into one, you want to then use that money to travel something that is proven to be inhabitable? Oh, who runs this, a senate? A senate can't even run ONE country, how the hell can it run a world, and then agree on this as primary source of income?

I'm not saying you're in high school, but once you graduate, real world will be much eye opening for you.

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#49 blazblue152
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No really, tell us more. Tell us as you mock us, believing we don't have brains against arguments filled with holes.

immortality20

Two points:

1- I did not mean to mock you, and I sincerely apologize if you got offended by my post.

2- I did not read every post on this topic so I may have missed if the TC have holes in his opinions, however that doesn't change the fact that it is our duty to help him fill those holes, and contribute to them, I'll even go as far as to say that we should even build some sort of system to fill these holes, NOT mock them with witty remarks and unproductive posts speculating who's alt account the TC is.

[QUOTE="blazblue152"]

'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

Oey666

THANK YOU x 1000!!! You've made a new friend today. Nice that someone recognise what I'm trying to say...even though I would not dare use thew phrase "brilliant" about myself. I still embrace your compliment though.

thank you :)

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#50 Oey666
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[QUOTE="blazblue152"]

'tis a shame that people can't see the brilliancy of the TC. What's worse is that I don't see any eligible arguement with him, just people mocking him or expressing their selfish opinions that does not contribute to the masses.

immortality20

No really, tell us more. Tell us as you mock us, believing we don't have brains against arguments filled with holes.

How can I put this??? You do not understand the matter I'm (we're) discussing. Until you do, nothing you say will "fit" into this arguement. You focus too much on the actual sentences and words rather than see the true matter.

You may read the posts, but based off of your responses, you do not understand. Unlike testfactor, he/she has clearly statet that he/she is not a person with empathy or sympathy, but sees only him/herself. testfactor is, as many others, a relic of the past. Strongest persons rights and all that.That type of thinking does not bode well if we, humanity, are to ensure survival and prosper into the future.