if we ever get invaded

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

The clip conveniently leaves out any reference to the fact that we've been fighting alongside the Iraqi people against terrorists all these years.

Metal_Mario99

They're fighting the americans because they invaded. You know, them being all islam fanatics and stuff, america invading muslim country. Not defending the previous regime in any way though. Just pointing out that Fighting terrorists never would have happened (in iraq) if america hadn't invaded in the first place.

Then who are all the Iraqis we've been fighting alongside all this time? Holograms? Actors hired by Dick Cheney?

They're Iraqis. I don't see where I negated their existence.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

Oh, the irony....

Cataclism

If you get your political analysis from Family Guy, then you've got big problems.

It's a cartoon, therefore it's false? That statement is not always true.

By the way you ditched that clip it's like they said a lie or something.

Facts are: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and al-qaeda was never in power over there anyway. They don't even control any governments. That Afghanistan thing? That's the taliban who *aided* al-qaeda (sheltered them to be exact).

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

If you get your political analysis from Family Guy, then you've got big problems.

funsohng

It's a cartoon, therefore it's false? That statement is not always true.

By the way you ditched that clip it's like they said a lie or something.

Facts are: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and al-qaeda was never in power over there anyway. They don't even control any governments. That Afghanistan thing? That's the taliban who *aided* al-qaeda (sheltered them to be exact).

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

They're fighting the americans because they invaded. You know, them being all islam fanatics and stuff, america invading muslim country. Not defending the previous regime in any way though. Just pointing out that Fighting terrorists never would have happened (in iraq) if america hadn't invaded in the first place.

Cataclism

Then who are all the Iraqis we've been fighting alongside all this time? Holograms? Actors hired by Dick Cheney?

They're Iraqis. I don't see where I negated their existence.

So, instead of admitting that the people we're fighting are terrorist insurgents who want to control Iraq for their own purposes, you persist in believing that we've got a bunch of freedom fighters opposing us and our coalition of Iraqi Uncle Toms?

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Cataclism"]

It's a cartoon, therefore it's false? That statement is not always true.

By the way you ditched that clip it's like they said a lie or something.

Facts are: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and al-qaeda was never in power over there anyway. They don't even control any governments. That Afghanistan thing? That's the taliban who *aided* al-qaeda (sheltered them to be exact).

Cataclism

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

Why would anyone want to invade Canada?funsohng

Those natural resources look nice. :twisted:

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Then who are all the Iraqis we've been fighting alongside all this time? Holograms? Actors hired by Dick Cheney?

Metal_Mario99

They're Iraqis. I don't see where I negated their existence.

So, instead of admitting that the people we're fighting are terrorist insurgents who want to control Iraq for their own purposes, you persist in believing that we've got a bunch of freedom fighters opposing us and our coalition of Iraqi Uncle Toms?

What? Where did you get that from? He never said that.

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Cataclism"]

It's a cartoon, therefore it's false? That statement is not always true.

By the way you ditched that clip it's like they said a lie or something.

Facts are: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and al-qaeda was never in power over there anyway. They don't even control any governments. That Afghanistan thing? That's the taliban who *aided* al-qaeda (sheltered them to be exact).

Cataclism

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"] no, it's false because it's Family GuyMetal_Mario99

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

His point was that it was completely pointless and a waste of money to invade seeing as it had nothing to do with 9/11 or our mission in general. It's like invading New Zealand.

Patriotism is a weakness imo... There are few things I would die for and none of them are to do with countries. If we got invaded I would most likely join in efforts however.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

Former_Slacker

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

His point was that it was completely pointless and a waste of money to invade seeing as it had nothing to do with 9/11 or our mission in general. It's like invading New Zealand.

He's not saying that. He's saying that the people we're fighting in Iraq aren't terrorists, which is incorrect. He's saying we're fighting the Iraqi people, which is also incorrect.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

His point was that it was completely pointless and a waste of money to invade seeing as it had nothing to do with 9/11 or our mission in general. It's like invading New Zealand.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

Former_Slacker

His point was that it was completely pointless and a waste of money to invade seeing as it had nothing to do with 9/11 or our mission in general. It's like invading New Zealand.

We have a winner!

So, instead of admitting that the people we're fighting are terrorist insurgents who want to control Iraq for their own purposes, you persist in believing that we've got a bunch of freedom fighters opposing us and our coalition of Iraqi Uncle Toms?

Metal_Mario99

And you resort to putting words in my mouth. Don't do that. It doesn't help your argument.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

If I'm wrong, please present me the facts on what al-qaeda has to do with the initial invasion of Iraq. If I'm wrong, please do educate me so I can't make the same mistake again.

Metal_Mario99

I'm not talking about the initial invasion of Iraq. I'm simply pointing out that America is fighting terrorists in Iraq, and not a bunch of patriotic Iraqis (a la Red Dawn) who want us out because we're an immoral and unjust occupier. They're insurgents who want to control the region for their own nefarious purposes. The majority of the actual Iraqi people have been working with us for years now to get terrorism under control and to establish a new government, and they're damn happy we're there. (Watch what happens to them ten minutes after we leave. Does Saigon ring a bell?)

His point was that it was completely pointless and a waste of money to invade seeing as it had nothing to do with 9/11 or our mission in general. It's like invading New Zealand.

He's not saying that. He's saying that the people we're fighting in Iraq aren't terrorists, which is incorrect. He's saying we're fighting the Iraqi people, which is also incorrect.

OK, now your're just making things up. Show me where I said that.

I wouldnt fight back, I'd suck up to the invaders, infiltrating their ranks, gaining their trust, then BAM! Poop in their soup, Steal Their shoelaces and Putting Red Shirts in the wash with their white clothes, Who would fear a Pink Army? That would be my contribution to the freedom fighting cause.

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

The clip conveniently leaves out any reference to the fact that we've been fighting alongside the Iraqi people against terrorists all these years.

Metal_Mario99

They're fighting the americans because they invaded. You know, them being all islam fanatics and stuff, america invading muslim country. Not defending the previous regime in any way though. Just pointing out that Fighting terrorists never would have happened (in iraq) if america hadn't invaded in the first place.

Then who are all the Iraqis we've been fighting alongside all this time? Holograms? Actors hired by Dick Cheney?

i'd arm myself and fight, just because you invaded us doesn't mean i'm gonna like it

. He's saying we're fighting the Iraqi people, which is also incorrect.

Metal_Mario99

1st off, regardless of what intentions, we invaded Iraq and that debate ship has long set sailed. However, there are many many Iraqi's that are very greatful that we came to the aid (regardless if we should have or not). There are some that didnt want us there... too bad the media focuses on those that don't want us there which tends to form uninformed opinions. The insurgents that we fought, were in fact, insurgents from Iran and Syria. Dont think for a second we are not at war with Iran... we've been at war with Iran for years. Who do you think is supplying the insurgents and giving them soldiers?? Thats a story for another time..

Anyways... to answer the TC, yes I would fight. I may be going to Korea in a year or so (as a civilian not military) and someone asked if its worth the risk of the being attacked from DPRK. First, the chances of that happening are slim, but if it came to trying to hide and fleeingor staying and fighting... then I would stay and fight even if I wasnt military. I just feel that protecting freedom is just that important... people that say they wouldnt fight are just cowards and really dont care about anything but themselves... my opinion anyway.

The insurgents that we fought, were in fact, insurgents from Iran and Syria. Dont think for a second we are not at war with Iran... we've been at war with Iran for years. Who do you think is supplying the insurgents and giving them soldiers?? Thats a story for another time..Chrypt22

Iran is overwhelmingly Shia ( almost 90%). Iraqi insurgents are overwhelmingly Sunni, and their targets are overwhelmingly Shia, and over 90% of Iraqi Sunnis approve of attacks in Iraq.

Your theory makes little sense given this.

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]The insurgents that we fought, were in fact, insurgents from Iran and Syria. Dont think for a second we are not at war with Iran... we've been at war with Iran for years. Who do you think is supplying the insurgents and giving them soldiers?? Thats a story for another time..Danm_999

Iran is overwhelmingly Shia ( almost 90%). Iraqi insurgents are overwhelmingly Sunni, and their targets are overwhelmingly Shia, and over 90% of Iraqi Sunnis approve of attacks in Iraq.

Your theory makes little sense given this.

Ehhh... ok. First its not theory, if it was just a hunch we wouldnt be guarding the Syrian and Iranian borders nor would we have had skirmishes with Iranian military across borders. More over, IPD's and a lot of the components that make them come from Iran. Sure, not all of the insurgents come from Iran or Syria but a lot of them do... sorry man its just a fact. What they do is come into a small village or neighborhood, kill some families and threaten everyone that if they give them up they all die, well then... it actually becomes somewhat effective. So wecounter by securing the borders as best we can..

>Ehhh... ok. First its not theory, if it was just a hunch we wouldnt be guarding the Syrian and Iranian borders nor would we have had skirmishes with Iranian military across borders. More over, IPD's and a lot of the components that make them come from Iran. Sure, not all of the insurgents come from Iran or Syria but a lot of them do... sorry man its just a fact. What they do is come into a small village or neighborhood, kill some families and threaten everyone that if they give them up they all die, well then... it actually becomes somewhat effective. So wecounter by securing the borders as best we can..

Chrypt22

The Iranian government is not funding a proxy war in Iraq. Sorry. Violence in Iraq is based upon Sunni and Shia lines. Shia Iran hates the Sunnis in Iraq; the group who is responsible for the Iraqi insurgency. Iran hates the West, but it REALLY hates Sunnis. It's not going to involve itself in a war with the USA and dozens of other powers to help a group it doesn't like preserve the power it had under Saddam's regime.

Honestly, most foreign insurgents pouring into Iraq are coming from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan.

It just seems to be some people have a basic naivety about what's going on in the Middle East. You realize, as late as 1988, Iran and Iraq were fighting vicious wars with each other? And since 2006, the relationship between the Iraqi and Iraninan government has improved substantially?