If we evolved from apes, how come apes still exist?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

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Humans Modern apes.

clash76-grunger

so a long time ago a caveman did it with a monkey and here i am?

so a long time ago a caveman did it with a monkey and here i am?

clash76-grunger

There was one species.

The species evolved into a different species.

So on and so forth.

Eventually, some species or another evolved into not one, but two different species.

Whatever ancestors humans and apes have, that was one of them.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

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clash76-grunger

so a long time ago a caveman did it with a monkey and here i am?

No.

The theory of evolution states that we humans, evolved from primates or apes. But today, apes are still here. How come they didn't evolve?

Steameffekt

The theory of evolution states that we humans, evolved from primates or apes.

Steameffekt

No, it doesn't. :|

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"]

The theory of evolution states that we humans, evolved from primates or apes.

chessmaster1989

No, it doesn't. :|

Uh huh. It also states that life is made out of soup.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"]

The theory of evolution states that we humans, evolved from primates or apes.

metroidfood

No, it doesn't. :|

Uh huh. It also states that life is made out of soup.

Wait, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? :?

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Espada12

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Espada12

Eh, please clarify what you think a theory is.

I clicked on this thread with every intention of being a smartarse but after this answer, there's nothing more to say. Damn you, Armbar :x

Number 1 - Humans are apes.

Number 2 - Apes (again, that includes humans) evolved from a common ancestor.

Number 3 - A large number of bears become geographically seperated. One half remains in the same territories that they have lived in for thousands of years, and the other half travels to an environment that is radically (or perhaps just slightly) different. The group of bears that is now living in a different geographical region are no longer perfectly suited to their environment. The bears that are most well suited to live in this new environment thrive and pass on their genes. The bears that are not well suited to this new environment are less likely to do so. Genetic mutation, and the passing on of genes that are well suited for the region create a different species of animal over time (thousands of years, or even millions of years). Why would the previous species of bear die simply because there is now a new species of bear?

Caucasians evolved from Africans, black people still exist.

FlyingArmbar

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Ingenemployee

Eh, please clarify what you think a theory is.

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

BumFluff122

Perhaps you should ask people for clarification before you think they don't know what it is.

Humans and chimpanzees (and other great apes) share common evolutionary ancestors. This question is like asking "if English evolved from German, how come German still exists?"

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Espada12

Eh, please clarify what you think a theory is.

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation.

Oh good, for a second there I thought you were one of thoses "Its just a theory" people.

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

Espada12

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

GabuEx

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

I assume so.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

GabuEx

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

Im not sure about that, nothing in science is 100%

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

GabuEx

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

Espada12

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

I assume so.

Then you assume wrong. :P

A law is nothing more than an observation of a single, isolated fact. A theory is a broad explanation of many facts. A theory is actually in some respects greater than a law, because its scope is far broader. There is no difference between the amount of evidence in favor of a law and a theory. The difference is with respect to the scope and the purpose.

No offense, but the people saying that you didn't understand the difference between a scientific theory and a garden-variety theory are correct.

Just saw a documentary on this the other day.

A certain branch of humanoids got different jaws over the years.

Early primates, humanoids, w/e had their jaws attatched to the top of their skull.

Ourpredecessors got their jaw muscules attatched to the -what we know today now as- jaws.

This relieved pressure from our brain and gave room for our brains to expand, among other things allowing us to act in the interest of our group, giving us the ability to build societies as we now know and live in today.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

GabuEx

I assume so.

Then you assume wrong. :P

A law is nothing more than an observation of a single, isolated fact. A theory is a broad explanation of many facts. A theory is actually in some respects greater than a law, because its scope is far broader. There is no difference between the amount of evidence in favor of a law and a theory. The difference is with respect to the scope and the purpose.

No offense, but the people saying that you didn't understand the difference between a scientific theory and a garden-variety theory are correct.

I guess, but I understand clearly what the term is used for in science, this is what I was taught and my knowledge beyond simple statements is limited as I do not pursue anything in science, I do understand what you are saying and I wasn't referring to the theory of evolution in the manner of a garden-variety theory, I clearly know what the wording is used for in the situation.

We all evolved from Omni-Slash... :lol:

I guess, but I understand clearly what the term is used for in science, this is what I was taught and my knowledge beyond simple statements is limited as I do not pursue anything in science, I do understand what you are saying and I wasn't referring to the theory of evolution in the manner of a garden-variety theory, I clearly know what the wording is used for in the situation.

Espada12

Well, the big tip-off in my mind was when you said that it was "a theory for a reason". Perhaps the most common misconception out there is that anything that is a theory is something that has not been proven. Well, that's true - but only in the sense that nothing in science is ever "proven"; it is only "not disproven". That evolution has become an official scientific theory means that it has passed scientific rigor, is falsifiable, and has made many predictions that have been shown to be true. "Theory" is the highest classification a scientific entity of its kind can possibly attain.

We all evolved from Omni-Slash... :lol:

flordeceres

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When scentist use the term is when they have evidence supporting it works that way without 100% confirmation and there is no evidence saying otherwise.

Ingenemployee

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

Im not sure about that, nothing in science is 100%

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The theory of evolution is a theory for a reason.

Espada12

Perhaps you should ask people for clarification before you think they don't know what it is.

Then you assume wrong. :P

A law is nothing more than an observation of a single, isolated fact. A theory is a broad explanation of many facts. A theory is actually in some respects greater than a law, because its scope is far broader. There is no difference between the amount of evidence in favor of a law and a theory. The difference is with respect to the scope and the purpose.

No offense, but the people saying that you didn't understand the difference between a scientific theory and a garden-variety theory are correct.

GabuEx

The theory of evolution states that we humans, evolved from primates or apes. But today, apes are still here. How come they didn't evolve?

Steameffekt

The apes were the slow ones. They didn't catch on to standing up straight. Losing body hair and acquiring a larger brain.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Just to be clear: a theory that gets 100% confirmation becomes a law, yes?

Trmpt

Im not sure about that, nothing in science is 100%

From my understanding the only thing that is 100% is mathmatics, but I could be wrong.

From my understanding the only thing that is 100% is mathmatics, but I could be wrong.

Ingenemployee

What like 0.9999999999999999999999 etc =1 ?

That means maths is only 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

Im not sure about that, nothing in science is 100%

Ingenemployee

From my understanding the only thing that is 100% is mathmatics, but I could be wrong.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

From my understanding the only thing that is 100% is mathmatics, but I could be wrong.

teddyrob

What like 0.9999999999999999999999 etc =1 ?

That means maths is only 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

It can, indeed, be proven that .9999999(repeated) is 1. I'd have to recall exactly how to prove it, I think it used infinite series, though.

Gabu, do you remember how to?

No, modern apes and humans have evolved from a similar ancestor. Humans didn't evolve from apes.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

From my understanding the only thing that is 100% is mathmatics, but I could be wrong.

teddyrob

What like 0.9999999999999999999999 etc =1 ?

That means maths is only 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

No, modern apes and humans have evolved from a similar ancestor. Humans didn't evolve from apes.

Shiggums

What did the common ancestor evolve from????

I don't think we evolve from apes. No way! Human is human, ape is ape.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No, modern apes and humans have evolved from a similar ancestor. Humans didn't evolve from apes.

teddyrob

What did the common ancestor evolve from????

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No, modern apes and humans have evolved from a similar ancestor. Humans didn't evolve from apes.

teddyrob

What did the common ancestor evolve from????

Below is a timeline of human evolution ouytling the major events, discoveries and important recent archeological finds.

Approximately 4000 million years ago the first single celled organisms form.

3900 million years ago cells resembling prokaryotes appear.

2500 million years ago the first organisms to utilize oxygen appear.

1200 million years ago sexual reproduction evolves an enables more rapid evolutionary change.

900 million years agoChoanoflagellate, a unicellular creature, appear and may be the ancestors to sponges and all other multicellular creatures. The live in colonies and show a primitive level of cellular specialization.

600 million years ago the earliest multicellular creatures appear.

580 million years ago the movement of all more advanced animal evolution begins with the formation of Cnidaria.

550 million years ago flatworms are the first animals to have a brain.

540 million years agoAcorn Worms are the first worm-like creatures to have a heart and a circulatory system.

530 million years ago the earliest known ancestor to both chordates and vertebrates appears known as Pikaia.

505 million years ago the first vertebrates appear.

480 million years ago the first jawed fishes appeared in the form of Placodermi. Their head and thorax were armor plated.

400 million years ago the first Coelacanth appearsand is today considered to be a living fossil.

375 million years agoTiktaalik appear. Fossils of this creature, with many features akin to four legged animals which lead to the evolution of amphibians, were found in Nunavut, Canada.

365 million years ago the first tetrapod appears

315 million years ago the first animal to have recognizable limbs appears in the form of Acanthostega.

300 million years ago the first reptiles appear.

256 million years ago the first mammal-like reptiles appear.

220 million years ago a group known as Cynodonts form more mammal-like features.

125 million years ago a creature know as an Eomaia leads to the formation of modern placental mammals.

100 million years ago the last common genetic ancestor of mice and humans exists.

65 million years ago a group of small, nocturnal and arborealinsect-eating mammals known as Euarchonta leads to a speciation that will lead to primate, tree shrew and flying lemur orders.

47 million years ago a transitional form between prosimians (lemur and other primative primates) and simians (monkeys and apes) appear. ("Missing Link" Photos: New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs?)

40 million years ago primates diverge into suborders.

30 million years ago Haplorrhini (dry-nosed primates) split into infraorders of Platyrhinni (New world monkeys) and Catarhinni (Old world monkeys, apes and humans).

25 million years ago Catarhinni split into Old world monkeys and apes.

15 million years ago the great apes split speciate from the ancestors of the Gibbon.

13 million years agoHomininae speciate from the Hominidae (The Great Apes).

10 million years agoHominini speciate from the ancestors of Gorillas.

7 million years ago Hominina speciate from ancestors of the Chimpanzee.

4.4 million years ago Ardipthecus Ramidus Ramidus exists during the Pliocene. Australopithecus Afarensis left footprints in volcanic ash in Laetoli, Kenya. Evidence of bipedalism.

3.5 million years ago Kenyanthropus Platytops emerges from the Australopithecus genus.

Kenyanthropus Platytops

3 million years ago bipedal Australopithecenes are hunted by Dinofelis in the savannas of Africa. Loss of body hair takes place.

2.5 million years ago marks the appearance of the Homo genus. First stone tool use.

Homo Habilils

1.8 million years ago Homo Erectus evolves in Africa and later moves otu of Africa and begins colonizing Eurasia.

Homo Erectus (Notice the brow ridges)

1.5 million years ago control of fire by early humans is achieved. The evolution of dark skin begins.

516 thousand years ago the last common genetic ancestor of modern humans and Neanderthal exists.

355 thousand years ago 3 five feet tall Homo Heidelbergensis left footprints in volcanic ash in Italy.

195 thousand years ago the earliest remains of Homo Sapiens are burried in Ethiopia near the Omo river.

160 thousand years ago Homo Sapiens in Ethiopia practice mortuary rituals and butcher hippos.

150 thousand years ago Mitochondrial Eve lives in East Africa. She is the most recent X-chromosonal ancestor common to allmitochondrial lineages alive today.

70 thousand years ago the human form of the FOXP2 gene (mentioned in a previous post) appears.

60 thousand years ago Y-chromosonal Adam, the most recent common ancestor to all Y-chromosonal males alive today, lives in Africa.

50 thousand years ago begin the migration to South Asia.

40 thousand years ago begins the migration to Australia and Europe.

25 thousand years ago Neanderthals die out.

12 thousand years ago the evolution of light skin in Europeans occurs. The first domestication of the dog. Homo Florensis dies out.

10 thousand years ago the invention of farming int he fertile crescent occurs.

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution)

Interesting Links:

List of human fossils

List of fossil sites

List of notable fossils

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No, modern apes and humans have evolved from a similar ancestor. Humans didn't evolve from apes.

What did the common ancestor evolve from????