If You Got A Business, You Didn't Build That!

Did Obama Say, If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That?. How is that? How does someone who takes money that they earned, open a business, not do that by themselves?

Sure, there were teachers or professors along the way, but that does not mean that they had any input into it. Sure, someone may borrow money to help get their business of the ground, but they busted their butt to get it all paid back. There even may be some investors who get paid back, but a business does not open itself up without one person's idea and sweat to make it self reliant. No government makes a person open a business.

What will Obama say next?

Removed extra ? due to screwy coding.

derp, the infrastructure is built with public funds.

no infrastructure no business.

From the article here is the full quote of Obama

We've already made a trillion dollars worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficiently. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That?s how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president, because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.

Did Obama Say, ?If You?ve Got a Business, You Didn?t Build That??. How is that? How does someone who takes money that they earned, open a business, not do that by themselves?

Sure, there were teachers or professors along the way, but that does not mean that they had any input into it. Sure, someone may borrow money to help get their business of the ground, but they busted their butt to get it all paid back. There even may be some investors who get paid back, but a business does not open itself up without one person's idea and sweat to make it self reliant. No government makes a person open a business.

What will Obama say next?

WhiteKnight77

You say they did it all on their own, and then go on to explain how they didn't do it on their own. Thank you for proving the President's point.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Did Obama Say, ?If You?ve Got a Business, You Didn?t Build That??. How is that? How does someone who takes money that they earned, open a business, not do that by themselves?

Sure, there were teachers or professors along the way, but that does not mean that they had any input into it. Sure, someone may borrow money to help get their business of the ground, but they busted their butt to get it all paid back. There even may be some investors who get paid back, but a business does not open itself up without one person's idea and sweat to make it self reliant. No government makes a person open a business.

What will Obama say next?

theone86

You say they did it all on their own, and then go on to explain how they didn't do it on their own. Thank you for proving the President's point.

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

Basically he's saying that if you have made a decent business in this country nobody will say that you didn't work hard to get there, but other people were involved in helping you get there.

the last two paragraphs of this articleis a decent way of explaining it.

Personally I have no problem with the knowledge that other people in history, including those who worked in the government, have helped lay the groundwork and infrastructure to continually move this country to new hights. Frankly we will be doing the same thing and so will every generation that comes after us.

From the article here is the full quote of Obama

We?ve already made a trillion dollars? worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don?t work, and make government work more efficiently?We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more ?

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t -look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something ? there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you?ve got a business. you didn?t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn?t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don?t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That?s how we funded the GI Bill. That?s how we created the middle class. That?s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That?s how we invented the Internet. That?s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that?s the reason I?m running for president ? because I still believe in that idea. You?re not on your own, we?re in this together.?

Serraph105

A lesson in parsing quotes:

"If You Got A Business, You Didn't Build That!"

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative."

Two different quotes, both from the same speech, when taken out of context can give two entirely different and even opposite conclusions.

I think the problem is the way he said it. It was a little too direct and wasn't explained well in the overall quote. He should have said something like "no single person can be credited for building an entire business."

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Did Obama Say, ?If You?ve Got a Business, You Didn?t Build That??. How is that? How does someone who takes money that they earned, open a business, not do that by themselves?

Sure, there were teachers or professors along the way, but that does not mean that they had any input into it. Sure, someone may borrow money to help get their business of the ground, but they busted their butt to get it all paid back. There even may be some investors who get paid back, but a business does not open itself up without one person's idea and sweat to make it self reliant. No government makes a person open a business.

What will Obama say next?

WhiteKnight77

You say they did it all on their own, and then go on to explain how they didn't do it on their own. Thank you for proving the President's point.

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

You say they did it all on their own, and then go on to explain how they didn't do it on their own. Thank you for proving the President's point.

theone86

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

You say they did it all on their own, and then go on to explain how they didn't do it on their own. Thank you for proving the President's point.

theone86

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

The problem is not a single one of the things you listed has anything to do with actually RUNNING the businesses. People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that." An education can be used for a desk job or a factory job or no job or running a business, but like he said in the overall quote it is the initiative that truly builds the business (makes us succeed). An education and roads give you the ability to build a business, but it takes your own intiative to build it, which means it is YOU who builds the business. So saying "YOU didn't build that" was a wrong choice of words on Obamas part.

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

hoola

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

The problem is not a single one of the things you listed has anything to do with actually RUNNING the businesses. People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that." An education can be used for a desk job or a factory job or no job or running a business, but like he said in the overall quote it is the initiative that truly builds the business (makes us succeed). An education and roads give you the ability to build a business, but it takes your own intiative to build it, which means it is YOU who builds the business. So saying "YOU didn't build that" was a wrong choice of words on Obamas part.

i had never seen this before and within seconds of seeing tc's reporting knew what it was saying.

we have to run presidential speeches through a dr. seuss translator for people now?

shouldn't we be focusing on the stupid among us and calling out them instead?

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

Riverwolf007

The problem is not a single one of the things you listed has anything to do with actually RUNNING the businesses. People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that." An education can be used for a desk job or a factory job or no job or running a business, but like he said in the overall quote it is the initiative that truly builds the business (makes us succeed). An education and roads give you the ability to build a business, but it takes your own intiative to build it, which means it is YOU who builds the business. So saying "YOU didn't build that" was a wrong choice of words on Obamas part.

i had never seen this before and within seconds of seeing tc's reporting knew what it was saying.

we have to run presidential speeches through a dr. seuss translator for people now?

shouldn't we be focusing on the stupid among us and calling out them instead?

I guess I should call you out.

From the article here is the full quote of Obama

We've already made a trillion dollars worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficiently. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That?s how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president, because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

The problem is not a single one of the things you listed has anything to do with actually RUNNING the businesses. People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that." An education can be used for a desk job or a factory job or no job or running a business, but like he said in the overall quote it is the initiative that truly builds the business (makes us succeed). An education and roads give you the ability to build a business, but it takes your own intiative to build it, which means it is YOU who builds the business. So saying "YOU didn't build that" was a wrong choice of words on Obamas part.

Nikalai_88

i had never seen this before and within seconds of seeing tc's reporting knew what it was saying.

we have to run presidential speeches through a dr. seuss translator for people now?

shouldn't we be focusing on the stupid among us and calling out them instead?

I guess I should call you out.

In the context, it makes sense. No one can make a business on their own; everyone had some kind of help, even if indirect, before they started their own business.

Its kind of a weird point to make, but meh.

From the article here is the full quote of Obama

We've already made a trillion dollars worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficiently. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That?s how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president, because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.

Serraph105

Good to know that business owners didn't do anything to create and make their business thrive. Life lessons from Obama. :lol:

Good to know that business owners didn't do anything to create and make their business thrive. Life lessons from Obama. :lol:

airshocker

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires." Good to know airshocker can read. Ravensmash

I know I can read, thank you.

No matter who you are, no matter how sucessful you are, you did not get there on your own. Your success is made possible by the society you live in.

No matter who you are, no matter how sucessful you are, you did not get there on your own. Your success is made possible by the society you live in.

worlock77

And they've already paid for that via taxes. That makes the whole "They owe us" line that people are using meaningless.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No matter who you are, no matter how sucessful you are, you did not get there on your own. Your success is made possible by the society you live in.

airshocker

And they've already paid for that via taxes. That makes the whole "They owe us" line that people are using meaningless.

Nothing to do with my point.

Nothing to do with my point.

worlock77

Obviously, it was me who made the statement.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Nothing to do with my point.

airshocker

Obviously, it was me who made the statement.

So you just like to post irrelevant replies to people for the hell of it?

So you just like to post irrelevant replies to people for the hell of it?

worlock77

Just because it wasn't your point doesn't make it irrelevant.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires." Good to know airshocker can read. airshocker

I know I can read, thank you.

Apparently you can't, because what you said President Obama was saying wasn't at all what he actually said.

What he means has some truth to it, but the idea that you're not responsible for the business you created or the idea that 'you didnt't built it' is insane. Anyways, you can bet fox news is going to have a field day with this.

....If only Kraychick was still here

What he means has some truth to it, but the idea that you're not responsible for the business you created or the idea that 'you didnt't built it' is insane. Anyways, you can bet fox news is going to have a field day with this.

....If only Kraychick was still here

BossPerson

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So you just like to post irrelevant replies to people for the hell of it?

airshocker

Just because it wasn't your point doesn't make it irrelevant.

It was irrelevant to my point. If you want to address my point then do so. If not than why bother quoting me?

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Everyone takes classes somewhere along the line so everyone has a teacher, but that does not mean a teacher helped someone open a business or even give someone the ideo of opening a business. There are many businesses that are started with a few dollars that go on to make millions, not all businesses that are successful require a loan to open it originally. Some businesses do use investors, again, not all so Obama is not completely correct.

hoola

Yes it does. If you're smart enough to open and run a sucessful business it means you have the people who gave you your education to thank in part for that. It also means you have your parents/guardians to thank for raising you and providing for you financially, a public system of roads and rails to deliver supplies to and possibly from you, probably employees who are educated enough to work for you thanks to their teachers, customers who earn money to buy your products in part thanks to their teachers, customers at the bank that granted for supporting a bank so that they are able to make loans, the bankers and the people who taught them, etc. People do not succeed entirely on their own, it does take a village.

The problem is not a single one of the things you listed has anything to do with actually RUNNING the businesses. People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that." An education can be used for a desk job or a factory job or no job or running a business, but like he said in the overall quote it is the initiative that truly builds the business (makes us succeed). An education and roads give you the ability to build a business, but it takes your own intiative to build it, which means it is YOU who builds the business. So saying "YOU didn't build that" was a wrong choice of words on Obamas part.

Education has plenty to do with actually running a business, infrastructure has plenty to do with running a business.

Initiative alone doesn't build businesses. To say any one thing alone builds business is wrong, it's a combination of initiative, intelligence, having proper resources at your disposal (some of them provided by taxpayers, some of them provided by the social standing one is born into), and plain luck.

Let's see, one cannot build a business without the ability to build a business, and education and infrastructure give one that ability, I'd say that counts as education and infrastructure helping to build that business.

What conservatives in this country have preached is a cult of individuality, that anyone can do anything with sufficient drive and ability AND that they alone deserve credit, as if they can just divine success out of thin air. This is what the President was responding to, and he was completely on point. His choice of words is fine if you don't take the words out of context.

omg! socialism!!!!

hey everyone look at me! i'm an ot republican that does not have the brainpower to make sense of the simplest concepts.

omg! socialism!!!!

hey everyone look at me! i'm an ot republican that does not have the brainpower to make sense of the simplest concepts.

Riverwolf007

derp, the infrastructure is built with public funds.

no infrastructure no business.

Riverwolf007

I usually vote Republican, and I get it. But I feel there's something else being implied by the POTUS. I get the sense that he's saying that you can't be successful without the government. It's more of that rhetoric about the government taking care of us so we don't have to be responsible for ourselves. That way of thinking just isn't right. That's why we have close to 50% of Americans not paying a penny in taxes. If they want to make cuts, how about cutting social programs that are making people as dependent as ever?? This does no good for any of us... especially the ones receiving the welfare. One thing he is right about is that we have a revenue problem... all the revenues aren't being collected. How do I know this? Because I'm part of that 50%. With my income level, plus two children, my tax refund was much more than my taxes paid for the year. Sure, it's nice to get that big refund check... but I realize that if it continues the this country that I love so dearly will no longer exist as it does today. So, it's not up to the super wealthy to pay more taxes (top 10% pay 70% of income taxes). It's up the government to completely change how it functions. I know this something that Barak Obama isn't willing to do... along with most of the other elected officials. Is Romney willing? I doubt it.jshaas

Jumping in here, I agree that taxes need to be higher for those who can afford it, the middle class/upper middle class should be able to afford a higher tax burden, and help the US. BUT one statistic I see thrown around that bugs me is "The top 10% pays 70% of the income taxes". Yes that is probably true, BUT they also GET 70% of the income, so they aren't exactly unfairly taxed, if anything they should contribute more than 70% of the taxes because of the incrimental tax increases based on wage. That really bugs me that people don't realize this. Of course if I'm wrong I don't understand why, and you are more than welcome to correct me.

On topic, I think it as unfortunately crafted sentence, and plucked out of context. If someone reads the speech, they realize that this is not the point of Obama's speech, but of course people are going to be affected by bias towards someone they might not agree with. I don't see the big deal. Of course people had help from others, you cant start up and run a retail business without customers...

Good to know that business owners didn't do anything to create and make their business thrive. Life lessons from Obama. :lol:

airshocker

Apparently you can't, because what you said President Obama was saying wasn't at all what he actually said.

theone86

If I had actually quoted Obama I would have used quotations. Maybe some day you'll be able to read too.