If You Got A Business, You Didn't Build That!

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Apparently you can't, because what you said President Obama was saying wasn't at all what he actually said.

airshocker

If I had actually quoted Obama I would have used quotations. Maybe some day you'll be able to read too.

That was a rather daft remark.

From the article here is the full quote of Obama

We've already made a trillion dollars worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficiently. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That?s how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president, because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.

Serraph105

People are irritated by the quote because of "you didn't build that."hoola

actually they're irritated by the quote because they're simpleminded

there's a difference there to be appreciated, i promise you

That was a rather daft remark.

coolbeans90

Apply the principle consistently. If the society/state is responsible for making people wealthy, it's also responsible for poverty. The same system and infrastructure that allowed some to get rich has kept many poor. I agree though.

The property structure of the corporate-state is responsible the massively cartellized markets that exist in the modern US.

Government isn't the key to success in running abusiness....... Look at the inefficient solar companies the stimulus invested millions in. If government help was the catalyst for success these companies should have shot to the forefront of their industries not fallen due to foreign competition. Innovation is the key to success and it increases our standard of living in the process. This innovation occurs from creating new ideas and improving others. It is depressing we have sitting president who seems to not understand this.Mafiree

Yeah, I'm sure all the subsidies the oil and automobile industry have enjoyed for decades have had nothing to do with their success.

It's tautological and meaningless to point out that nobody makes products completely by themselves. Every thing that is ever produced requires some capital, and some labor.

But certainly it does not follow that we should therefore tax the rich more, or less. It could easily be the case that allowing markets to operate freely and competitively is the best way to organize persons.

Public capital increases total factor productivity. That means that, while businesses are helped out by roads, workers and consumers are helped out just as much.

It's tautological and meaningless to point out that nobody makes products completely by themselves.radicalcentrist

And yet completely necessary when so many people fail to understand this.

And yet completely necessary when so many people fail to understand this.

worlock77

Nobody fails to understand it. What we don't agree on is how much someone should be taxed because of it.

[QUOTE="radicalcentrist"]

It's tautological and meaningless to point out that nobody makes products completely by themselves.worlock77

And yet completely necessary when so many people fail to understand this.

Starting and running a successful business is soooo easy. Seriously, all you have to do is sit there and think of what business you want and it magically appears. It takes no tough decision making, intelligence, or hard work at all. I mean, it's not like most businesses fail. Oh wait...

In the context, it makes sense. No one can make a business on their own; everyone had some kind of help, even if indirect, before they started their own business.

Its kind of a weird point to make, but meh.

XaosII

Which they compensate people for...

No, not really. Read the rest of my postradicalcentrist

I did. It doesn't matter to what I was saying. "No man is an island" might seem like an obvious concept, yet many people to have have no understanding of it. We live in a nation chock full of "me, me, me" assh*les, who can't grasp the fact that you are who you are because of the society you live in.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] Never said it was all be themselves....... I said government wasn't the key to their success. (which is what Obama was basically arguing) Creating an innovative idea was the catalyst for their success.Mafiree

No they merely created the roads, electricty grid, and countless other things they depend off of to thrive.. Lets not forget that computer technology was pushed forward through government headed development early on with things like NASA in which they threw tons of money at to create the technology... You seem not to have a clue that Apple only exists today because of the environment it was created in.. Hence why countries with the best infastructures are in fact the most prosperous..

It's tautological and meaningless to point out that nobody makes products completely by themselves. Every thing that is ever produced requires some capital, and some labor.

But certainly it does not follow that we should therefore tax the rich more, or less. It could easily be the case that allowing markets to operate freely and competitively is the best way to organize persons.

Public capital increases total factor productivity. That means that, while businesses are helped out by roads, workers and consumers are helped out just as much.

radicalcentrist

It is most certainly not meaningless when we have one of the two major parties to date that basically preaches that the government is a burden and that success comes directly from hard work and its only hard work that guarentees it.. There seems to be a serious disconnect with people in which a simple truth must be repeated.

Listen I think it is pretty simple why people are outraged by the statement. Number one I understand where he is coming from, both government and business go hand and hand, you need protection and laws for your property and the government provides that. You also need businesses and people to support a government. They both need to be there, we get it. What people are mad about is that he is basically defending why big government is needed and why it is good, because while others are stating that big government is bad and that we don't need to be supporting everyone and everything he is using this as an analogy that even big businesses and rich people needed help along the way. Of course I agree we all start somewhere and we all need assistance, but to me that is just a poor choice of words for an inventor of a product who made millions selling it.

Listen I think it is pretty simple why people are outraged by the statement. Number one I understand where he is coming from, both government and business go hand and hand, you need protection and laws for your property and the government provides that. You also need businesses and people to support a government. They both need to be there, we get it. What people are mad about is that he is basically defending why big government is needed and why it is good, because while others are stating that big government is bad and that we don't need to be supporting everyone and everything he is using this as an analogy that even big businesses and rich people needed help along the way. Of course I agree we all start somewhere and we all need assistance, but to me that is just a poor choice of words for an inventor of a product who made millions selling it.

xscrapzx

republican strategy for the next few months:

does this distract people from romney hiding his assets in offshore accounts? then lets get pissed about it no matter how stupid and meaningless it is!!!

:lol:

This isn't about "needing assistance" this is about pointing out the fact that rich or poor you benefit from the infastructure.. People seem to take for granted what it means living in a first world country in which they can trust the water from the faucet is clean, that you have a stable power grid, and you can get to your work thanks to the road systems that is upkept.. Big businesses and rich people STILL need help because their fortunes are built upon the back of infastructures, regulations, and services.. If we suddenly lost our currency system those so called rich people wouldn't be very rich because their wealth is based upon the collection of a currency that only has value due to the government backing it..

sSubZerOo

And we pay for the infrastructure we have.

republican strategy for the next few months:

does this distract people from romney hiding his assets in offshore accounts? then lets get pissed about it no matter how stupid and meaningless it is!!!

:lol:

Riverwolf007

Having offshore assets isn't the same thing as hiding them, stupid. :lol:

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

republican strategy for the next few months:

does this distract people from romney hiding his assets in offshore accounts? then lets get pissed about it no matter how stupid and meaningless it is!!!

:lol:

airshocker

Having offshore assets isn't the same thing as hiding them, stupid. :lol:

:lol:

romney 94 blind trust = "age old ruse"

romney 12 blind trust = "avoids conflicts of interest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

:lol:

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

republican strategy for the next few months:

does this distract people from romney hiding his assets in offshore accounts? then lets get pissed about it no matter how stupid and meaningless it is!!!

:lol:

Riverwolf007

Having offshore assets isn't the same thing as hiding them, stupid. :lol:

:lol:

romney 94 blind trust = "age old ruse"

romney 12 blind trust = "avoids conflicts of interest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

:lol:

Romney is a republican, therefore he is infallible

yeah, not letting anyone know what you have in your secret swiss bank accounts and cayman islands blind trusts is hiding them.

:lol:

romney 94 blind trust = "age old ruse"

romney 12 blind trust = "avoids conflicts of interest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

:lol:

Riverwolf007

I don't think there's anything I can to do reason with someone who insists on calling something secret when it is in fact known about...

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Having offshore assets isn't the same thing as hiding them, stupid. :lol:

Bane_09

:lol:

romney 94 blind trust = "age old ruse"

romney 12 blind trust = "avoids conflicts of interest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

:lol:

Romney is a republican, therefore he is infallible

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

yeah, not letting anyone know what you have in your secret swiss bank accounts and cayman islands blind trusts is hiding them.

:lol:

romney 94 blind trust = "age old ruse"

romney 12 blind trust = "avoids conflicts of interest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

:lol:

airshocker

I don't think there's anything I can to do reason with someone who insists on calling something secret when it is in fact known about...

:lol:

oh man this is fun shyt.

lulz, what other embarrassing shyt can i throw in your face... oh yeah how about this?

" i will preserve and protect a womans right to choose."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

rom has to spend more time debunking his own words than the words of the dems.

cat got out of the bag therefore not secret and my logic is moot!!!!

:lol:

oh man this is fun shyt.

lulz, what other embarrassing shyt can i throw in your face... oh yeah how about this?

" i will preserve and protect a womans right to choose."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

rom has to spend more time debunking his own words than the words of the dems.

Riverwolf007

Again, you're implying that having an offshore bank account is illegal. It isn't. Considering this was all reported on his income tax filing, I really don't see the problem with it.

And you should stop assuming I'm watching anything you link. I'm not. :lol: You've already proven yourself to be a biased lunatic.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

cat got out of the bag therefore not secret and my logic is moot!!!!

:lol:

oh man this is fun shyt.

lulz, what other embarrassing shyt can i throw in your face... oh yeah how about this?

" i will preserve and protect a womans right to choose."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

rom has to spend more time debunking his own words than the words of the dems.

airshocker

Again, you're implying that having an offshore bank account is illegal. It isn't. Considering this was all reported on his income tax filing, I really don't see the problem with it.

And you should stop assuming I'm watching anything you link. I'm not. :lol: You've already proven yourself to be a biased lunatic.

getting yourself an edumacation on reality is like roads and water... only for socialists.

also lets release one single year of tax filings and call that the precedent. :lol:

of course you are not watching it, it is romney himself saying the exact opposite of all the shyt you think he believes in.

getting yourself an edumacation on reality is like roads and water... only for socialists.

also lets release one single year of tax filings and call that the precedent. :lol:

Riverwolf007

Have you taken your meds today? :lol:

I'm not watching it because I think you're an idiot. Just like I don't look at anything kuraimen links.

I'm all for roads and clean water. Just not if it costs 50% of my income in taxes.

The amount of tax returns he's released isn't the point. I know it's hard for you to pay attention, but please try: The point is his offshore holdings were on his tax returns. That doesn't make it secret anymore.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

of course you are not watching it, it is romney himself saying the exact opposite of all the shyt you think he believes in.

getting yourself an edumacation on reality is like roads and water... only for socialists.

also lets release one single year of tax filings and call that the precedent. :lol:

airshocker

Have you taken your meds today? :lol:

I'm not watching it because I think you're an idiot. Just like I don't look at anything kuraimen links.

I'm all for roads and clean water. Just not if it costs 50% of my income in taxes.

The amount of tax returns he's released isn't the point. I know it's hard for you to pay attention, but please try: The point is his offshore holdings were on his tax returns. That doesn't make it secret anymore.

lulz, nope, not a secret. no secrets here at all.

"blind trusts is an age old ruse." -mitt romney-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

lulz, nope, not a secret. no secrets here at all.

"blind trusts is an age old ruse." -mitt romney-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DVKWhPibw

Riverwolf007

Thanks for proving my points. :)

There's really no point to saying that, but okay.

Who do you think paid for the infrastructure to be built? Tax paying businesses like apple ExponentTurnip

Obama should give me money to make a business

Obama should give me money to make a business

CKYguy25

[QUOTE="ExponentTurnip"]Who do you think paid for the infrastructure to be built? Tax paying businesses like apple Marth6781

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="ExponentTurnip"]Who do you think paid for the infrastructure to be built? Tax paying businesses like apple jshaas

I don't like this 'help society' attitude people have. Everyone should just fend for themselves, and pay a bit of tax to keep essentials running. Which normal person would want to help their society, I do not understand this.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]I don't like this 'help society' attitude people have. Everyone should just fend for themselves, and pay a bit of tax to keep essentials running. Which normal person would want to help their society, I do not understand this.Marth6781

I certainly agree with Obama's statement, hands down. You don't become big without help. No individual can achieve a large amount of success without the help of others.

The whole entertainment industry lives by who you know rather than how skilled you are. You don't get big without knowing someone big. Sh*t, even outside of that industry it's like that. How many of us have heard about the buddy who got the "hook up" on getting a job? Or perhaps you WERE that guy.

The most successful enteupenuers have always had smarter people to do their job for them.

Who do we associate with Windows? Bill Gates. Do you know anyone else who contributed to the OS? Unlikely.

What about for Mac? Do you know anyone other than Steve Jobs? Whover they are, they don't get much media presence.

What about Valve? Of course we know Gabe, but what about all the others who are supposedly equally important? Nope. Nadda.

I've narrowed my scope to the technological sphere, but it applies to every other business as well, namely the corporate ones.

if you hide your assets you didn't do that on your own.

it took a network of sleazy lawyers, morally bankrupt foreign and domestic bankers and lax tax laws written by the government to favor a tiny minority.

;)

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]I don't like this 'help society' attitude people have. Everyone should just fend for themselves, and pay a bit of tax to keep essentials running. Which normal person would want to help their society, I do not understand this.Crunchy_Nuts

So... what's "essential" because nearly everything the government is paying for is largely "essential."

#Obama2012 because #YOLO