If you think Obama is like the Nazis, you need a history lesson

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http://www.freep.com/article/20090821/OPINION05/908210329/1322/If-you-think-Obama-is-like-the-Nazis--you-need-a-history-lesson&template=fullarticle

I'm not sure if anyone on this site is guilty of calling Obama a Nazi, but there are people out there who do. Seriously, calling Obama a Nazi is shaming the memory of the millions who died from the Nazi regime.

You know,

"For the record, then: It was Nazis who shoved sand down a boy's throat until he died, who tossed candies to Jewish children as they sank to their deaths in a sand pit, who threw babies from a hospital window and competed to see how many of those "little Jews" could be caught on a bayonet, who injected a cement-like fluid into women's uteruses to see what would happen, who stomped a pregnant woman to death, who once snatched a woman's baby from her arms and, in the words of a witness, "tore him as one would tear a rag."

Or we could simply judge whether a person is a Nazi through these simple steps.

"Human being: check.
Likes food: check.
Leader of a country: check.

Well, that's enough information for me! OBAMA = HITLER QED. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!"

(Quoted from Digg)

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#2 omus101
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Obama is like the Nazis?

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#3 duxup
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I think calling Godwin's Law works better than that.
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#4 Vandalvideo
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Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.
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#5 Bobbles
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His politics are similar to the Nazi party...
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#6 Bourbons3
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I thought he was considered a Socialist, despite not being one of those either.
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#7 Xeros606
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Who said Obama was like Hitler :?
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#8 waffle57
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His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles
Does he systematically kill entire groups of the population because he deems them "inferior"?
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#9 BanjoMumbo
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[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...waffle57
Does he systematically kill entire groups of the population because he deems them "inferior"?

What?

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His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles

Right... except not really at all. People keep calling him a socialist and a Nazi, which are basically opposites.

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#11 Bobbles
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[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...waffle57
Does he systematically kill entire groups of the population because he deems them "inferior"?

...How is that politics? He shares similarities with the Nazi party, it's not like its a secret. Nazi=National Socialist Program. Who's saying Obama=Hitler? Certainly not me, I'm just saying their politics are very similar.
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#12 waffle57
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[QUOTE="waffle57"][QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles
Does he systematically kill entire groups of the population because he deems them "inferior"?

...How is that politics? He shares similarities with the Nazi party, it's not like its a secret. Nazi=National Socialist Program. Who's saying Obama=Hitler? Certainly not me, I'm just saying their politics are very similar.

Sorry, misread that as policies. My bad.
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#13 Bobbles
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[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...yabbicoke

Right... except not really at all. People keep calling him a socialist and a Nazi, which are basically opposites.

Opposites? Hardly. Do you even know what Nazi stands for? Nazi=National SOCIALIST Program, hmmm yeah opposites.
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[QUOTE="waffle57"][QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles
Does he systematically kill entire groups of the population because he deems them "inferior"?

...How is that politics? He shares similarities with the Nazi party, it's not like its a secret. Nazi=National Socialist Program. Who's saying Obama=Hitler? Certainly not me, I'm just saying their politics are very similar.

Just because it has the word Socialist in it doesn't make it socialist and for the people which is obvious from what went on in Nazi Germany. Look at the military groups in Africa, they have names like "The People's Liberation Front". A name means nothing if you can't back it up legitimately. Fascism =/= socialism.

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[ Opposites? Hardly. Do you even know what Nazi stands for? Nazi=National SOCIALIST Program, hmmm yeah opposites.Bobbles
Merely looking at the etymology of the word without considering the unique scenarios that birthed it in Germany will actually drive you away from the true meaning. National Socialism isn't the type of socialism that we see in places like France and Canada. Instead, it is more Fascist, like that of American Conservativism. Merely because American Socialism is called Socialism doesn't mean that it is the same brand of Socialism, or that it even has the same political beliefs, of Fascism.
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Ahhh. I love Godwin's law.
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His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles
How so? Please give specific examples.
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Nazi? That's rediculous. But a Marxist; hmm, now we're getting warmer.
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I think the whole Nazi comparison aspect of politics is amusing to watch, because people on both sides do it to each other, and take offence when it's done to them.
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Nazi? That's rediculous. But a Marxist; hmm, now we're getting warmer.Stevo_the_gamer

So I just watched Final Destination 1 and 2 last night and look at your sig. Funny how things work like that. :)

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I think the whole Nazi comparison aspect of politics is amusing to watch, because people on both sides do it to each other, and take offence when it's done to them.fidosim

Yup. How many times was Bush called a Nazi? Now it's Obama's turn!

bush the nazi

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Nazi? That's rediculous. But a Marxist; hmm, now we're getting warmer.Stevo_the_gamer

Well it's not difficult to get warmer when your starting point is the coldest corner in Hell.

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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles

Right... except not really at all. People keep calling him a socialist and a Nazi, which are basically opposites.

Opposites? Hardly. Do you even know what Nazi stands for? Nazi=National SOCIALIST Program, hmmm yeah opposites.

Socialist in name only. The Nazis, like many other fascists, despised socialism.
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I was baffled by the socialist accusations, but now this? :|

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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles

Right... except not really at all. People keep calling him a socialist and a Nazi, which are basically opposites.

Opposites? Hardly. Do you even know what Nazi stands for? Nazi=National SOCIALIST Program, hmmm yeah opposites.

Does the German Democratic Republic ring a bell? Well, it wasn't really all that democratic.

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Only spoiled, young teens think things like that... Crap that means I have to deal with them every day.
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Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.Vandalvideo
if youre talking about republicans, then yes. but theyre both fairly similar. anyway, americans in general dont pay attention in history class, or any class for that matter
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I thought the argument was that he was fascist not an actual nazi.

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Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.Vandalvideo
If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

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#30 munu9
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Anyone who thinks Obama is/like a nazi needs to be sent to a concentration camp /irony
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.SuperVegeta518

If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

It isn't as simple as that. There is far more to political ideology than merely economic means. The fact of the matter is that neither American Liberalism nor American Conservativism are metaphysically constant. On the one hand, you have a strong nationalist spread amongst Republicans (the gun toting yay Americas) who also feel government should control morality. Such nationalism and social tendencies as these are indeed closer to Fascism than that of the economic policies of Barrack Obama, which isn't completely trying to control the free market system, merely have a public OPTION. It isn't a single payer system or anything.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.SuperVegeta518

If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

There are different flavors of conservatism in America. Sure, libertarian conservatism doesn't share much in common with fascism, but Social conservatism does.
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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...Bobbles

Right... except not really at all. People keep calling him a socialist and a Nazi, which are basically opposites.

Opposites? Hardly. Do you even know what Nazi stands for? Nazi=National SOCIALIST Program, hmmm yeah opposites.

Actually Hitler blamed the communists and socialist parties with the Reichstag fire insuring they would never win popular vote and him being able to take power.
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[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.-Sun_Tzu-

If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

There are different flavors of conservatism in America. Sure, libertarian conservatism doesn't share much in common with fascism, but Social conservatism does.

I would say that Fascism's suppression of religion and strong push for eugenics go against social conservatism.

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[QUOTE="fidosim"]I think the whole Nazi comparison aspect of politics is amusing to watch, because people on both sides do it to each other, and take offence when it's done to them.limpbizkit818

Yup. How many times was Bush called a Nazi? Now it's Obama's turn!

bush the nazi

As for who is being called a nazi more? I think these results speak for themselves. And obama has been president for barely six months. You may argue that it reflects the current conditions, but I still think a lot of the old material about bush being a nazi is still there http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+nazi&word2=bush+nazi

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The two sides calling each other Nazi's has to stop. Obama has a lot of views I don't agree with, same with Bush, but neither of them were Nazi's.
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]I think the whole Nazi comparison aspect of politics is amusing to watch, because people on both sides do it to each other, and take offence when it's done to them.munu9

Yup. How many times was Bush called a Nazi? Now it's Obama's turn!

As for who is being called a nazi more? I think these results speak for themselves. And obama has been president for barely six months. You may argue that it reflects the current conditions, but I still think a lot of the old material about bush being a nazi is still there http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+nazi&word2=bush+nazi

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+worst+president&word2=bush+worst+president

That site doesn't prove anything. There are more results for "obama worst president" than "bush worst president"

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.SuperVegeta518

If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

The policies put forth by the last Republican majority & president indicates otherwise.

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[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Truth be told, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism.duxup

If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

The policies put forth by the last Republican majority & president indicates otherwise.

We aren't talking about parties. We are talking about fascism versus conservatism. The policies implemented by the republican party show how they have broken away from conservatism not how conservatism is like fascism.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

SuperVegeta518

There are different flavors of conservatism in America. Sure, libertarian conservatism doesn't share much in common with fascism, but Social conservatism does.

I would say that Fascism's suppression of religion and strong push for eugenics go against social conservatism.

Um, no. Fascism isn't inherently anti-religious, it's just that historically fascistic regimes saw religious institutions as a threat to their power and influence, but that's not always the case. Iran could be viewed as a fascistic regime and has fully embraced religion and uses it as a means of control.

On the issue of eugenics, in Nazi germany the fit were forced to have children and forbidden from having an abortion while the unfit were sterilized. It's the fact that they take any potential choice away from the mother-to-be - a form of state control on the individual - that social conservatism draws similarities with fascism (although that does not take anything away from the pro-life movement which is entirely legitimate).

There is also the opposition to gay marriage, another form of state control, and strong nationalistic views that draws similarities between social conservatism and fascism.

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[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] If we are talking about American conservatism then you are dead wrong. Fascism advocates strong single state rule over the economy with state controlled private property. Conservatism in America advocates a weak multi-state government with little economic restrictions.

SuperVegeta518

The policies put forth by the last Republican majority & president indicates otherwise.

We aren't talking about parties. We are talking about fascism versus conservatism. The policies implemented by the republican party show how they have broken away from conservatism not how conservatism is like fascism.

Vandalvideo point stands that on the political spectrum conservatives are closer to fascism than liberals. Just as liberals are closer to more extreme left beliefs. Thus the irony of using the Nazi name when it comes Obama.
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Who said Obama was like Hitler :?Xeros606
You seen footage from the health care town hall debates? Some of the most disturbing stuff I've seen in a while. These people believe whatever the conservative media tells them (though plenty of liberals are guilty of that to).
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[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There are different flavors of conservatism in America. Sure, libertarian conservatism doesn't share much in common with fascism, but Social conservatism does.-Sun_Tzu-

I would say that Fascism's suppression of religion and strong push for eugenics go against social conservatism.

Um, no. Fascism isn't inherently anti-religious, it's just that historically fascistic regimes saw religious institutions as a threat to their power and influence, but that's not always the case. Iran could be viewed as a fascistic regime and has fully embraced religion and uses it as a means of control.

On the issue of eugenics, in Nazi germany the fit were forced to have children and forbidden from having an abortion while the unfit were sterilized. It's the fact that they take any potential choice away from the mother-to-be - a form of state control on the individual - that social conservatism draws similarities with fascism (although that does not take anything away from the pro-life movement which is entirely legitimate).

There is also the opposition to gay marriage, another form of state control, and strong nationalistic views that draws similarities between social conservatism and fascism.

Social conservatism in the United States does not advocate state control though. Conservatism in the United States is more of a belief system founded in Christian teachings and strong family values. Family values and god fearing Christianity, the two biggest aspects of social conservatism are not even a part of fascist beliefs.

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[QUOTE="Xeros606"]Who said Obama was like Hitler :?ZookGuy
You seen footage from the health care town hall debates? Some of the most disturbing stuff I've seen in a while. These people believe whatever the conservative media tells them (though plenty of liberals are guilty of that to).

And believing that these debates are disturbing shows that you believe anything that the liberal media tells you.

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maybe he is maybe he isnt... but really he isnt
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#46 SuperVegeta518
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[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]

[QUOTE="duxup"] The policies put forth by the last Republican majority & president indicates otherwise.

duxup

We aren't talking about parties. We are talking about fascism versus conservatism. The policies implemented by the republican party show how they have broken away from conservatism not how conservatism is like fascism.

Vandalvideo point stands that on the political spectrum conservatives are closer to fascism than liberals. Just as liberals are closer to more extreme left beliefs. Thus the irony of using the Nazi name when it comes Obama.

If we are looking at this from a U.S. viewpoint than fascism would be a left leaning political ideology. Being politically conservative in the U.S. means you are for small government with free enterprise.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] I would say that Fascism's suppression of religion and strong push for eugenics go against social conservatism.

SuperVegeta518

Um, no. Fascism isn't inherently anti-religious, it's just that historically fascistic regimes saw religious institutions as a threat to their power and influence, but that's not always the case. Iran could be viewed as a fascistic regime and has fully embraced religion and uses it as a means of control.

On the issue of eugenics, in Nazi germany the fit were forced to have children and forbidden from having an abortion while the unfit were sterilized. It's the fact that they take any potential choice away from the mother-to-be - a form of state control on the individual - that social conservatism draws similarities with fascism (although that does not take anything away from the pro-life movement which is entirely legitimate).

There is also the opposition to gay marriage, another form of state control, and strong nationalistic views that draws similarities between social conservatism and fascism.

Social conservatism in the United States does not advocate state control though. Conservatism in the United States is more of a belief system founded in Christian teachings and strong family values. Family values and god fearing Christianity, the two biggest aspects of social conservatism are not even a part of fascist beliefs.

So are you saying there are no social conservatives that want to force their beliefs on others by means of the state? So social conservatives have not campaigned against the legalization of gay marriage? So they haven't campaigned against legalized abortion? So they haven't campaigned in support of the death penalty? Me thinks they have - me thinks they have advocated for state control when it comes to issues surrounding what they find to be moral and what they find immoral.
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#48 jazznate
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[QUOTE="ZookGuy"][QUOTE="Xeros606"]Who said Obama was like Hitler :?SuperVegeta518

You seen footage from the health care town hall debates? Some of the most disturbing stuff I've seen in a while. These people believe whatever the conservative media tells them (though plenty of liberals are guilty of that to).

And believing that these debates are disturbing shows that you believe anything that the liberal media tells you.

You don't need the news to tell you how to feel about something, maybe that's something you do but I like to hope most of us can express our own opinions. What I find disturbing about these debates is the lack of debate in general. You have one side using no formal logic whatsoever, blasting mostly false, malicious comments filled with hate and anger. These people use loaded words, yell, flat out make things up and think they are making a logical argument.

I remember one congressman saying recently to one of these hecklers, "You have Glen Beck, I have facts." That pretty much sums everythintg up.

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#49 GodofBigMacs
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Yup. How many times was Bush called a Nazi? Now it's Obama's turn!

SuperVegeta518

As for who is being called a nazi more? I think these results speak for themselves. And obama has been president for barely six months. You may argue that it reflects the current conditions, but I still think a lot of the old material about bush being a nazi is still there http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+nazi&word2=bush+nazi

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+worst+president&word2=bush+worst+president

That site doesn't prove anything. There are more results for "obama worst president" than "bush worst president"

I wonder how many of those are racist/conservative/immature/uneducated blogs...
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#50 Vandalvideo
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If we are looking at this from a U.S. viewpoint than fascism would be a left leaning political ideology. Being politically conservative in the U.S. means you are for small government with free enterprise.SuperVegeta518
The thing is, American Conservativism is pretty liberal in the grand scheme of things. The funniest part of it is, the true conservatives are the Libertarians.