If you think Obama is like the Nazis, you need a history lesson

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"][QUOTE="Xeros606"]Who said Obama was like Hitler :?SuperVegeta518

I feel so stupid now :(

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] We aren't talking about parties. We are talking about fascism versus conservatism. The policies implemented by the republican party show how they have broken away from conservatism not how conservatism is like fascism.

SuperVegeta518

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]His politics are similar to the Nazi party...waffle57

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Um, no. Fascism isn't inherently anti-religious, it's just that historically fascistic regimes saw religious institutions as a threat to their power and influence, but that's not always the case. Iran could be viewed as a fascistic regime and has fully embraced religion and uses it as a means of control.

On the issue of eugenics, in Nazi germany the fit were forced to have children and forbidden from having an abortion while the unfit were sterilized. It's the fact that they take any potential choice away from the mother-to-be - a form of state control on the individual - that social conservatism draws similarities with fascism (although that does not take anything away from the pro-life movement which is entirely legitimate).

There is also the opposition to gay marriage, another form of state control, and strong nationalistic views that draws similarities between social conservatism and fascism.

-Sun_Tzu-

Some people are crazy/stupid

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"][QUOTE="Xeros606"]Who said Obama was like Hitler :?SuperVegeta518

Woo, irony strikes again! :D

Who said Obama was like Hitler :?Xeros606

Haha, in one of my law classes we had a rule that in any debate if someone made a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis, they automatically lose.

I think the people who think that have been listening a little too much to Alex Jones, especially his "The Obama Deception", where such accusations were made.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] Social conservatism in the United States does not advocate state control though. Conservatism in the United States is more of a belief system founded in Christian teachings and strong family values. Family values and god fearing Christianity, the two biggest aspects of social conservatism are not even a part of fascist beliefs.

SuperVegeta518

Where are all the social conservatives that have advocated for gay rights? Where are all the social conservatives who have protested against the war on drugs? Where are all the social conservatives that have protested against the death penalty? Where are the social conservatives who have advocated for secularism?

Those social conservatives that you have described are a minority in American politics.

Haha, in one of my law classes we had a rule that in any debate if someone made a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis, they automatically lose.

_BlueDuck_

I like that rule. I also like the irony of a woman with a picture of the first BLACK President doctored to look like Hitler asking a gay Jewish congressman why he continues to support a Nazi policy (health care). The inherent contradictions there are mind-boggling. Frankly, I think anyone with a mind about them can see these contradictions. It's time both liberals and Democrats stop trying to convince people who have neither a desire to be convinced nor a sense of objectivity that these arguments are pointless and contradictory. The fact is that these people at the town halls are yelling loudly, but they're not representative of America as a whole. Most of them are conservative activists, many of them are carpetbaggers, and I seriously doubt that if Democrats ignored the people who are making these ridiculous arguments they would lose votes as most of them are probably Republican votersanyways.

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Yup. How many times was Bush called a Nazi? Now it's Obama's turn!

SuperVegeta518

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=obama+worst+president&word2=bush+worst+president

That site doesn't prove anything. There are more results for "obama worst president" than "bush worst president"

Americans thought the change thing was hype. When he actually doing it they call him a nazi, it's funny, had he not changed much they would call him a liar.

Ridiculous. Hitler never murdered the elderly when it became to costly to take care of them. Of course if level heads in Washington succeed, Obama won't have either.Balimi

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but Hitler DID murder plenty of elderly people with disabilities. Check out Action T4.

[QUOTE="Balimi"]Ridiculous. Hitler never murdered the elderly when it became to costly to take care of them. Of course if level heads in Washington succeed, Obama won't have either.jetpower3

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but Hitler DID murder plenty of elderly people with disabilities. Check out action T4.

He's trolling. Don't mind him

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[QUOTE="Balimi"]Ridiculous. Hitler never murdered the elderly when it became to costly to take care of them. Of course if level heads in Washington succeed, Obama won't have either.jazznate

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but Hitler DID murder plenty of elderly people with disabilities. Check out action T4.

He's trolling. Don't mind him

I know. I just feel like I should say something. It helps discredit them.

If you think any of the people who think that are smart enough to use a computer, or would read this if a friend showed them, you need a current lesson

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

enterawesome

Where did you get that from?

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

enterawesome

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

enterawesome

"Figure of Speech"- I would hope he was not a deluded Christian...I was just messin'

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

enterawesome

A. I thought this was America, where it didn't matter what your belief is, you will find equality here. Why does it matter if he's a Christian or not?

B. He IS a PRACTICING Christian.

C. I'm assuming this is some allusion to him not being a, "real," Christian, i.e. not adhereing to a hard-line conservative view on Christianity. If that's the case, please. I love how Christians always say other people are attacking their values, but as soon as a fellow Christian sways from hard-lining just the slightest he's suddenly, "not a Christian."

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

theone86

A. I thought this was America, where it didn't matter what your belief is, you will find equality here. Why does it matter if he's a Christian or not?

B. He IS a PRACTICING Christian.

C. I'm assuming this is some allusion to him not being a, "real," Christian, i.e. not adhereing to a hard-line conservative view on Christianity. If that's the case, please. I love how Christians always say other people are attacking their values, but as soon as a fellow Christian sways from hard-lining just the slightest he's suddenly, "not a Christian."

I thought he/ she was referring to the accusations that Obama is actually a Muslim.

Once a British style NHS healthcare system is introduced in the US, I hope I can laugh my arse off 'till the proverbial cows come home- it would be SO satisfying...

Once a British style NHS healthcare system is introduced in the US, I hope I can laugh my arse off 'till the proverbial cows come home- it would be SO satisfying...

jazzkrotch

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Once a British style NHS healthcare system is introduced in the US, I hope I can laugh my arse off 'till the proverbial cows come home- it would be SO satisfying...

tycoonmike

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

That pissed him off...SNARF...

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

enterawesome

Ummm, what? Yes he is... :|

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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Godsend? That man isn't even Christian.jetpower3

A. I thought this was America, where it didn't matter what your belief is, you will find equality here. Why does it matter if he's a Christian or not?

B. He IS a PRACTICING Christian.

C. I'm assuming this is some allusion to him not being a, "real," Christian, i.e. not adhereing to a hard-line conservative view on Christianity. If that's the case, please. I love how Christians always say other people are attacking their values, but as soon as a fellow Christian sways from hard-lining just the slightest he's suddenly, "not a Christian."

I thought he/ she was referring to the accusations that Obama is actually a Muslim.

B covers that.

I'm going to the shops to buy a pack of fa...er..."butts"...back soon...

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[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Once a British style NHS healthcare system is introduced in the US, I hope I can laugh my arse off 'till the proverbial cows come home- it would be SO satisfying...

jazzkrotch

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

exactly. we have 5 times to POP but around 7 times teh money. tehy spend 8.4% of 2.2Trillion on their 60million people. we have roughly 300 MIllion people and 14 Trillion dollars. the Pop and Cash difference is in know way a problem of any kind

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[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Once a British style NHS healthcare system is introduced in the US, I hope I can laugh my arse off 'till the proverbial cows come home- it would be SO satisfying...

jazzkrotch

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

"Fretting about bogus BS?" Then explain why the Daily Mail, a British publication if I remember correctly, said that according to independent researchers it often took months of waiting to finally see an eye specialist about getting a cataract removed or getting a needed knee surgery?

If you have to wait months for suchlike surgeries under NHS, and you have less than one third our population, what do you suppose would happen here if a NHS-like organization was set up under Obama?

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

SamusFreak

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

exactly. we have 5 times to POP but around 7 times teh money. tehy spend 8.4% of 2.2Trillion on their 60million people. we have roughly 300 MIllion people and 14 Trillion dollars. the Pop and Cash difference is in know way a problem of any kind

We also have a far larger military (the USMC is almost as large as the combined manpower of the entire British military), far larger educational, infrastructural, and general bureaucratic spending, as well as other welfare (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security) and commerce (United States Postal Service, the corporations and banks that are now partially owned by the government) projects that are either failing as we speak or are teetering on the brink of failure. You have three choices:

1. Drastically cut military, educational, infrastructural, and/or other important expenditures.

2. Drastically raise taxes on all people, not just the wealthiest.

3. Actually reform the health care industry without getting the government involved in any sort of public health care plan.

My bet is that Obama will do a combination of the first and second while simply adding more bureaucracy to the already bureaucracy-laden government.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Obama is a Godsend for America...I watch in hope from a distance...

Ummm, what? Yes he is... :|

Now I forgot where I put me pack of fa...DAMN THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Oh crap, what have I done?! I scored me a pack of fa...butts, but I fear I have done much more damage than that, damn Yank slang words (and sentiments)...crap...it's hard enough to score a pint in the wee hours in Yankland...

jazzkrotch

Okay "dokay", I have "secured" said "butts"..,.,.

OK, I'm finally with you. What was the issue? Typical Neoliberal crap? Right-wing BS? What?

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

While the rest of us get sick and die off because of an already incompetent health care system being applied in a country with more than three times the population of the origin?

tycoonmike

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

"Fretting about bogus BS?" Then explain why the Daily Mail, a British publication if I remember correctly, said that according to independent researchers it often took months of waiting to finally see an eye specialist about getting a cataract removed or getting a needed knee surgery?

If you have to wait months for suchlike surgeries under NHS, and you have less than one third our population, what do you suppose would happen here if a NHS-like organization was set up under Obama?

I've heard far more good stories about European healthcare than bad ones. Admittedly, the BHS isn't the best example, but countries like France and Denmark give excellent care without having insanely high income taxes, and since they focus so much more on preventative medicine, people don't get sick to nearly the extent they do in the U.S. Remember, virtually all of the anti-Obamacare vitriol is coming from lobbying groups on behalf of the drug companies, who make all their money treating the symptoms, mainly by selling expensive pills. If we revert to a 'preventative care' system, they lose their billion-dollar bonuses! Oh no! :? Those poor CEOs...

Godsend? That man isn't even Christian.enterawesome

Ummm, what? Yes he is... :|

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[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

Stop fretting about bogus BS. Socialism is about providing a "safety net" for the "have nots", whilst allowing for Capitalism under a tight "anti-corruption" watchdog body.

Hot-Tamale

"Fretting about bogus BS?" Then explain why the Daily Mail, a British publication if I remember correctly, said that according to independent researchers it often took months of waiting to finally see an eye specialist about getting a cataract removed or getting a needed knee surgery?

If you have to wait months for suchlike surgeries under NHS, and you have less than one third our population, what do you suppose would happen here if a NHS-like organization was set up under Obama?

I've heard far more good stories about European healthcare than bad ones. Admittedly, the BHS isn't the best example, but countries like France and Denmark give excellent care without having insanely high income taxes, and since they focus so much more on preventative medicine, people don't get sick to nearly the extent they do in the U.S. Remember, virtually all of the anti-Obamacare vitriol is coming from lobbying groups on behalf of the drug companies, who make all their money treating the symptoms, mainly by selling expensive pills. If we revert to a 'preventative care' system, they lose their billion-dollar bonuses! Oh no! :? Those poor CEOs...

BHS? British Home Stores? What? You mean NHS? Screw the Capitalist pigs. They lose, everyone else wins, what is so hard to understand about that?

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

"Fretting about bogus BS?" Then explain why the Daily Mail, a British publication if I remember correctly, said that according to independent researchers it often took months of waiting to finally see an eye specialist about getting a cataract removed or getting a needed knee surgery?

If you have to wait months for suchlike surgeries under NHS, and you have less than one third our population, what do you suppose would happen here if a NHS-like organization was set up under Obama?

jazzkrotch

I've heard far more good stories about European healthcare than bad ones. Admittedly, the BHS isn't the best example, but countries like France and Denmark give excellent care without having insanely high income taxes, and since they focus so much more on preventative medicine, people don't get sick to nearly the extent they do in the U.S. Remember, virtually all of the anti-Obamacare vitriol is coming from lobbying groups on behalf of the drug companies, who make all their money treating the symptoms, mainly by selling expensive pills. If we revert to a 'preventative care' system, they lose their billion-dollar bonuses! Oh no! :? Those poor CEOs...

BHS? British Home Stores? What? You mean NHS? Screw the Capitalist pigs. They lose, everyone else wins, what is so hard to understand about that?

The British Health System. :|

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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

I've heard far more good stories about European healthcare than bad ones. Admittedly, the BHS isn't the best example, but countries like France and Denmark give excellent care without having insanely high income taxes, and since they focus so much more on preventative medicine, people don't get sick to nearly the extent they do in the U.S. Remember, virtually all of the anti-Obamacare vitriol is coming from lobbying groups on behalf of the drug companies, who make all their money treating the symptoms, mainly by selling expensive pills. If we revert to a 'preventative care' system, they lose their billion-dollar bonuses! Oh no! :? Those poor CEOs...

Hot-Tamale

BHS? British Home Stores? What? You mean NHS? Screw the Capitalist pigs. They lose, everyone else wins, what is so hard to understand about that?

The British Health System. :|

Wrong answer , Bill, it's called the NHS (National Health Service).

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

BHS? British Home Stores? What? You mean NHS? Screw the Capitalist pigs. They lose, everyone else wins, what is so hard to understand about that?

jazzkrotch

The British Health System. :|

Wrong answer , Bill, it's called the NHS (National Health Service).

I realize that...it's very common knowledge.

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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

The British Health System. :|

Hot-Tamale

Wrong answer , Bill, it's called the NHS (National Health Service).

I realize that...it's very common knowledge.

What exactly was your point?

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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Godsend? That man isn't even Christian.enterawesome

Ummm, what? Yes he is... :|