Where would god start then? Would he just be there?
shadowchronicle
Ah, woah...your sig.
awesome.
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Technically?
To eat, sleep, and reproduce.
Personally?
To enjoy it and do what I can to make others enjoy it as well.
Technically?
To eat, sleep, and reproduce.
Personally?
To enjoy it and do what I can to make others enjoy it as well.
cprmauldin
If life was ment to be enjoyed im sure death wouldn't exist pal.
Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born. Since life has a meaning and a reason of cause. If you believe in Evolution or The BigBang. What would be the reason for them 2 theories be?
AussieePet
Did you know that the "Big Bang" was first hypothesized by a Catholic priest? I bet you didn't know that did you?
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[QUOTE="fastesttruck"] Whats the point of life even if you aren't? None. worlock77
If you aren't i asume the point of life would be to worship Jesus obvs
So it's ether Christianity or atheism? Those are the only two options people have?
No theres more like Agnostics
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Technically?
To eat, sleep, and reproduce.
Personally?
To enjoy it and do what I can to make others enjoy it as well.
If life was ment to be enjoyed im sure death wouldn't exist pal.
There's a possibility that you're not an expert on these matters, and that you might even be brain damaged.[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="cprmauldin"]
Technically?
To eat, sleep, and reproduce.
Personally?
To enjoy it and do what I can to make others enjoy it as well.
Frame_Dragger
If life was ment to be enjoyed im sure death wouldn't exist pal.
There's a possibility that you're not an expert on these matters, and that you might even be brain damaged.No sir, your just misunderstanding my question.
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If you aren't i asume the point of life would be to worship Jesus obvs
AussieePet
So it's ether Christianity or atheism? Those are the only two options people have?
No theres more like Agnostics
Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
So it's ether Christianity or atheism? Those are the only two options people have?
worlock77
No theres more like Agnostics
Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?
Alright.
[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]
If life was ment to be enjoyed im sure death wouldn't exist pal.
There's a possibility that you're not an expert on these matters, and that you might even be brain damaged.No sir, your just misunderstanding my question.
No, you're a troll with a TBI and a double-digit IQ.[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
I'd rather be able to live my life free then be controlled,enslaved and spied on by a supernatural being.
Life is something to enjoy, of course religious people won't understand this because they're under the delusion that their life belongs to someone else.
Ilovegames1992
Conversely. Wouldnt you rather be spied on than spen eternity getting tortured in hell? I would.
Hell doesn't exist so it doesn't matter[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] There's a possibility that you're not an expert on these matters, and that you might even be brain damaged.Frame_Dragger
No sir, your just misunderstanding my question.
No, you're a troll with a TBI and a double-digit IQ.Ok
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?
worlock77
Alright.
Ah, stupid then.
Cool..
While no statement I'm about to make should be construed as suggesting or recommending that any person commit an illegal act of any kind, you should realize that I'm simply trying to explain AussiePet's disreputable tendencies as well as her unenlightened tendencies as phases of a larger, unified cycle. Before I say anything else, let me remind AussiePet that I have a New Year's resolution for her: She should pick up a book before she jumps to the contumacious conclusion that all minorities are poor, stupid ghetto trash. I don't mean to throw fuel on an already considerable fire, but there are three fairly obvious problems with her expedients, each of which needs to be addressed by any letter that attempts to deal with her mudslinging contrivances on a case-by-case basis. First, by overusing such obscure words as "intercrystallization" and "pseudolamellibranchiate" she consistently manages to alienate her audience. Second, she unmistakably seems to be fond of concocting new ways to establish rack-and-thumbscrew programs. And third, she says that her vices are the only true virtues. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that her suggestions can give us deeper insights into the nature of reality.
Although the historical battle between good and evil is exemplified in the philosophical division between Platonic order and Aristotelian chaos, the impact of AussiePet's shambolic propositions is exactly that predicted by the Book of Revelation. Evil will preside over the land. Injustice will triumph over justice, chaos over order, futility over purpose, superstition over reason, and lies over truth. Only when humanity experiences this Hell on Earth will it fully appreciate that I decidedly maintain that my writings regarding obstinate rubes, while far from complete, will restore the temple of our civilization to the ancient truths. Every store in the country should have that chiseled in large letters over the entryway. Maybe then people would grasp that AussiePet's assistants argue that we should be grateful for the precious freedom to be robbed and kicked in the face by such a noble creature as her. These are the same merciless parvenus who bamboozle people into believing that laws are meant to be broken. This is no coincidence; AussiePet needs to stop living in denial. She needs to wake up and realize that it may be helpful to take a step back and compile readers' remarks and suggestions and use them to stick to the facts and offer only those arguments that can be supported by those facts. So what's the connection between that and her revenge fantasies? The connection is that AussiePet's headstrong, moonstruck anecdotes are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of totalitarianism are blooming all around us.
AussiePet doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. She uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. She expects us to behave like passive sheep. The only choice AussiePet believes we should be allowed to make for ourselves is whether to head towards her slaughterhouse at a trot or at a gallop. She sincerely doesn't want us choosing to act as a positive role model for younger people. To be quite frank, her nostrums represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death. AussiePet once tried to convince a bunch of us that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life. Fortunately, calmer heads prevailed and a number of people informed the rest of the gang that AussiePet has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which her convictions enhance performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. Then again, just because AussiePet is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that repressive desperados are all inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive.
While AussiePet is urging us to follow her down the rabbit hole or through the looking glass into a wonderland of defeatism, I need your help if I'm ever to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society. "But I'm only one person," you might protest. "What difference can I make?" The answer is: a lot more than you think. You see, there is no excuse for the innumerable errors of fact, the slovenly and philistine artistic judgments, the historical ineptitude, the internal contradictions, and the various half-truths, untruths, and gussied-up truths that litter every one of AussiePet's essays from the first word to the last.
AussiePet's grand plan is to dump effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers. I'm sure Mao Tse Tung would approve. In any case, AussiePet is known for walking into crowded rooms and telling everyone there that there won't be any blowback from her erasing the memory of all traditions and all history. Try, if you can, to concoct a statement better calculated to show how lethargic AussiePet is. You can't do it. Not only that, but the path down which she wants to lead us is empty and bleak. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that she wants to set the hoops through which we all must jump. It gets better: She believes that she holds a universal license that allows her to make it virtually impossible to fire incompetent workers. I guess no one's ever told her that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, respect the English language and believe in the use of words as a means of communication. Brown-nosing scofflaws like her, however, consider spoken communication as merely a set of noises uttered to excite emotions in the most brutal riffraff you'll ever see in order to convince them to supplant national heroes with choleric, two-faced undesirables. Although AussiePet never misses an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis, whether contrived or spontaneous, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not AussiePet approves, we will continue to be heard.
[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born.T_P_Ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death#Causes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex :hah:
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Budhism has alot of sin and hell in itworlock77
Actually no, it doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism) they maybe aren't using the same terminology as in christianity but it's essentially the same thing. You get sen there because of bad karma. Though maybe purgatory would be a better word instead of hell
[QUOTE="fastesttruck"] Whats the point of life even if you aren't? None. AussieePet
If you aren't i asume the point of life would be to worship Jesus obvs
Sounds like a ****y point to life.[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Budhism has alot of sin and hell in itthemajormayor
Actually no, it doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism) they maybe aren't using the same terminology as in christianity but it's essentially the same thing. You get sen there because of bad karma. Though maybe purgatory would be a better word instead of hell
Ah yes, and here we have one of the many results of the melding of Buddhism with indiginous beliefs. As Buddhism spead across Asia most cultures adapted it to fit their own and tacked their own beliefs on to it. The problem? Buddha never taught a word of it. Much like the popular western conception of Hell with nine levels of varying punishments has no basis in anything taught in the Bible, but rather comes from the writings of Dante Alighieri.
I live to enjoy life and only do what I want to do, so not going to church for thousands of hours in my lifetime.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Actually no, it doesn't.
worlock77
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism) they maybe aren't using the same terminology as in christianity but it's essentially the same thing. You get sen there because of bad karma. Though maybe purgatory would be a better word instead of hell
Ah yes, and here we have one of the many results of the melding of Buddhism with indiginous beliefs. As Buddhism spead across Asia most cultures adapted it to fit their own and tacked their own beliefs on to it. The problem? Buddha never taught a word of it. Much like the popular western conception of Hell with nine levels of varying punishments has no basis in anything taught in the Bible, but rather comes from the writings of Dante Alighieri.
Well apparently Buddha did say it in the Devaduta Sutta it says on wiki. Anyway there's alot of stuff in Christianity that Jesus didn't taught and yet it's a part of Christianity isn't it? Same thing can probably be said about Budhism with alot of stuff added later.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism) they maybe aren't using the same terminology as in christianity but it's essentially the same thing. You get sen there because of bad karma. Though maybe purgatory would be a better word instead of hell
themajormayor
Ah yes, and here we have one of the many results of the melding of Buddhism with indiginous beliefs. As Buddhism spead across Asia most cultures adapted it to fit their own and tacked their own beliefs on to it. The problem? Buddha never taught a word of it. Much like the popular western conception of Hell with nine levels of varying punishments has no basis in anything taught in the Bible, but rather comes from the writings of Dante Alighieri.
Well apparently Buddha did say it in the Devaduta Sutta it says on wiki. Anyway there's alot of stuff in Christianity that Jesus didn't taught and yet it's a part of Christianity isn't it? Same thing can probably be said about Budhism with alot of stuff added later.Another thing you have to understand is that in Buddhist thought "hells", "heavens" and so on are typically viewed in a metaphorical context. They are as much a state of mind as anything. A person who has everything they want yet still cannot find peace and happiness in their life is said to be living in a hell. Likewise a man with little money or possessions, but who is happy with their life can be said to be living in a heaven. Furthermore in Buddhism the suttas are not considered as sacred, infallable truth. In fact many Buddhists, including monks, place little emphasis on them. They are fables, not gospel truth. That's the problem with taking snippets of religions without understanding the framwork behind them. You wouldn't take a paragraph from a novel and then claim to understand that novel would you?
Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born. Since life has a meaning and a reason of cause. If you believe in Evolution or The BigBang. What would be the reason for them 2 theories be?
AussieePet
Raising a family. Enjoying life. The acquisition of knowledge. Becoming a success. Many reasons really. Why do you need an afterlife to enjoy this one?
And no, there does not need to be a reason you are born.
Well apparently Buddha did say it in the Devaduta Sutta it says on wiki. Anyway there's alot of stuff in Christianity that Jesus didn't taught and yet it's a part of Christianity isn't it? Same thing can probably be said about Budhism with alot of stuff added later.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
Ah yes, and here we have one of the many results of the melding of Buddhism with indiginous beliefs. As Buddhism spead across Asia most cultures adapted it to fit their own and tacked their own beliefs on to it. The problem? Buddha never taught a word of it. Much like the popular western conception of Hell with nine levels of varying punishments has no basis in anything taught in the Bible, but rather comes from the writings of Dante Alighieri.
worlock77
Another thing you have to understand is that in Buddhist thought "hells", "heavens" and so on are typically viewed in a metaphorical context. They are as much a state of mind as anything. A person who has everything they want yet still cannot find peace and happiness in their life is said to be living in a hell. Likewise a man with little money or possessions, but who is happy with their life can be said to be living in a heaven. Furthermore in Buddhism the suttas are not considered as sacred, infallable truth. In fact many Buddhists, including monks, place little emphasis on them. They are fables, not gospel truth. That's the problem with taking snippets of religions without understanding the framwork behind them. You wouldn't take a paragraph from a novel and then claim to understand that novel would you?
Well this is what alot of christians say as well that you should interpret alot of stuff only metaphorical. I heard the exact same explanation from christians. But yeah you're right I don't know the framework behind Buddhism at all. This religion has never interested me.[QUOTE="AussieePet"]
Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born. Since life has a meaning and a reason of cause. If you believe in Evolution or The BigBang. What would be the reason for them 2 theories be?
Johnny_Rock
Raising a family. Enjoying life. The acquisition of knowledge. Becoming a success. Many reasons really. Why do you need an afterlife to enjoy this one?
And no, there does not need to be a reason you are born.
Yeah but theres a reason all this happens. like u wouldnt exist without a reason or purpose
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well apparently Buddha did say it in the Devaduta Sutta it says on wiki. Anyway there's alot of stuff in Christianity that Jesus didn't taught and yet it's a part of Christianity isn't it? Same thing can probably be said about Budhism with alot of stuff added later.themajormayor
Another thing you have to understand is that in Buddhist thought "hells", "heavens" and so on are typically viewed in a metaphorical context. They are as much a state of mind as anything. A person who has everything they want yet still cannot find peace and happiness in their life is said to be living in a hell. Likewise a man with little money or possessions, but who is happy with their life can be said to be living in a heaven. Furthermore in Buddhism the suttas are not considered as sacred, infallable truth. In fact many Buddhists, including monks, place little emphasis on them. They are fables, not gospel truth. That's the problem with taking snippets of religions without understanding the framwork behind them. You wouldn't take a paragraph from a novel and then claim to understand that novel would you?
Well this is what alot of christians say as well that you should interpret alot of stuff only metaphorical. I heard the exact same explanation from christians. But yeah you're right I don't know the framework behind Buddhism at all. This religion has never interested me.One difference between Christianity and Buddhism is that, unlike God or Christ, the Buddha never claimed "what I say is truth and you'd best follow it or else". The Buddha said "believe nothing, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own logic".
do the mountains have a purpose? do apples have a purpose? does jupiter have a purpose?
there you go...
they maybe aren't using the same terminology as in christianity but it's essentially the same thing. You get sen there because of bad karma. Though maybe purgatory would be a better word instead of hellthemajormayorThat was never detailed in the Pali Canon, and was not related in any way to the cornerstone of the religion (i.e. "Hell's" existence was not important, because the Buddha taught a way that made out entirely irrelevant). [QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well apparently Buddha did say it in the Devaduta Sutta it says on wiki. Anyway there's alot of stuff in Christianity that Jesus didn't taught and yet it's a part of Christianity isn't it? Same thing can probably be said about Budhism with alot of stuff added later. Did you read the Sutta? It is clearly a metaphorical text with extremely exaggerated content (the ground opened up and swallowed Devadatta as soon as he tried to harm the Buddha). The cool thing about Buddhist texts (and unlike Christian ones) is that usually the metaphorical interpretation is preferred, especially if it defies reason. Theravada Buddhists (those whom utilize that Sutta) have a very complicated system of determining which Sutta's are meant to be taken literally, and which are meant to be taken figuratively (i.e. Hell representing a state of mind in this life). They are also the most atheistic of all Buddhist sects, so supernatural events are not fact, but merely teaching tools to help focus meditative practices. You should really stop talking about Buddhism, because you clearly know nothing about it.
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Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born. Since life has a meaning and a reason of cause. If you believe in Evolution or The BigBang. What would be the reason for them 2 theories be?
AussieePet
Raising a family. Enjoying life. The acquisition of knowledge. Becoming a success. Many reasons really. Why do you need an afterlife to enjoy this one?
And no, there does not need to be a reason you are born.
Yeah but theres a reason all this happens. like u wouldnt exist without a reason or purpose
Ever heard of Luck?You're assuming everything that ever happened in the universe has some grand plan where everything that ever has happened will fit together.
That's not how it works.
The reason for your existence? Your parents ****ed, maybe they forgot the condom, maybe they wanted you. But aside from that, there's no "reason" anyone of us exist.
Edit: Alright, i guess i should say that theres no "reason" any one of us were born. But as we move through life we find things that help to give more meaning to our lives (friends, loved ones and so on).
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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]
Like there must be a reason you die and a reason u are born. Since life has a meaning and a reason of cause. If you believe in Evolution or The BigBang. What would be the reason for them 2 theories be?
AussieePet
Raising a family. Enjoying life. The acquisition of knowledge. Becoming a success. Many reasons really. Why do you need an afterlife to enjoy this one?
And no, there does not need to be a reason you are born.
Yeah but theres a reason all this happens. like u wouldnt exist without a reason or purpose
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/09/the-universe-exists-because-of-spontaneous-creation-stephen-hawking.html[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]
Raising a family. Enjoying life. The acquisition of knowledge. Becoming a success. Many reasons really. Why do you need an afterlife to enjoy this one?
And no, there does not need to be a reason you are born.
Nibroc420
Yeah but theres a reason all this happens. like u wouldnt exist without a reason or purpose
Ever heard of Luck? You're assuming everything that ever happened in the universe has some grand plan where everything that ever has happened will fit together. That's not how it works. The reason for your existence? Your parents ****ed, maybe they forgot the condom, maybe they wanted you. But aside from that, there's no "reason" anyone of us exist.I wouldn't say there is no reason, That is the unlimate question, Why do we exist rather then not exist (not us personally but life and the universe in general). I personally don't think it will be the answer everyone wants to hear and i choose not to believe it was simply due to a divine entity creating us, Either way will will likely never know. The ultimate question is what was the original cause and why did it have such an effect.
But i think that is branching out broader then what you were refering to which i don't disagree with.
Probably to survive and science dictates what we know up to this point. This is what I think about when I imagine what my Atheist friend is thinking.
Ever heard of Luck? You're assuming everything that ever happened in the universe has some grand plan where everything that ever has happened will fit together. That's not how it works. The reason for your existence? Your parents ****ed, maybe they forgot the condom, maybe they wanted you. But aside from that, there's no "reason" anyone of us exist.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]
Yeah but theres a reason all this happens. like u wouldnt exist without a reason or purpose
mattisgod01
I wouldn't say there is no reason, That is the unlimate question, Why do we exist rather then not exist (not us personally but life and the universe in general). I personally don't think it will be the answer everyone wants to hear and i choose not to believe it was simply due to a divine entity creating us, Either way will will likely never know. The ultimate question is what was the original cause and why did it have such an effect.
But i think that is branching out broader then what you were refering to which i don't disagree with.
Sure, ULTIMATELY there is SOMETHING that caused the universe to begin. However because the TC specifically points at Athiests (****ing religious topics) i'll point out that there's a difference between saying: "I dont know what caused the universe to be created" and "I KNOW what caused the universe to be created, it was this invisible all powerful being who has never been proven to exist, and i'm unable to prove that he had anything to do with the creation of the universe.I just know he did it."Ever heard of Luck? You're assuming everything that ever happened in the universe has some grand plan where everything that ever has happened will fit together. That's not how it works. The reason for your existence? Your parents ****ed, maybe they forgot the condom, maybe they wanted you. But aside from that, there's no "reason" anyone of us exist.Nibroc420
I wouldn't say there is no reason, That is the unlimate question, Why do we exist rather then not exist (not us personally but life and the universe in general). I personally don't think it will be the answer everyone wants to hear and i choose not to believe it was simply due to a divine entity creating us, Either way will will likely never know. The ultimate question is what was the original cause and why did it have such an effect.
But i think that is branching out broader then what you were refering to which i don't disagree with.
Sure, ULTIMATELY there is SOMETHING that caused the universe to begin. However because the TC specifically points at Athiests (****ing religious topics) i'll point out that there's a difference between saying: "I dont know what caused the universe to be created" and "I KNOW what caused the universe to be created, it was this invisible all powerful being who has never been proven to exist, and i'm unable to prove that he had anything to do with the creation of the universe.I just know he did it." Current theory allows for a universe with a finite extent in terms of age and volume, but it ALSO allows for an infinite universe that has been infinitely expanding. In that model, there is no beginning of the universe, it's always been expanding in the fashion we see and we're just a region within that infinitely inflating space with a particular set of physical constants at a given point. The tough thing that people seem to accept about a god is that a god can ALWAYS have been around, but they won't allow the same for a universe or overall structure in which the universe is embedded.Please Log In to post.
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