If you're born blind and deaf...

How do you think?

hellen keller did pretty good

wait she wasnt born blind or deaf i think not sure how she ended up like that

I don't think you need an audible language or sight to think.

But I imagine they would use their touch, taste, and smell.

You think with your mind.

I'd imagine they think using memories of stimulus from they're touch/taste and smell. Or they'd all invent they're own language, it's not that deaf people don't have vocal chords, they just don't know any languages to speak. I would assume in they're head they can still make sounds they would put to objects and people.

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

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how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

CammiTac

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

How exactly did you learn to communicate? Sure you used sight and sound, but how did you make sense of that when you had no language to begin with?

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

Nude_Dude

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Why can't someone who is deaf be taught? They can. And so can someone that is blind and deaf. They just wouldn't learn the same way you did, using sight and sound. Instead they would use their other senses.

CammiTac

How exactly did you learn to communicate? Sure you used sight and sound, but how did you make sense of that when you had no language to begin with?

[QUOTE="Nude_Dude"][QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]how exactly would they learn to communicate without sight or sound?

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Tactile signing. It is a sign language that uses touch. For example hand-over-hand, where you put your hand over the person's hand who is signing so you can feel the signs. Just a different way of communicating that may seem really foreign to you, but when it is all you know it isn't so bad.

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[QUOTE="Nude_Dude"] They learn to live in their own imaginary world, along with their own perception of sight and sound, where they create their own environment and community, like school, GS Off Topic...and... your life is a lie...CammiTac

Tactile signing. It is a sign language that uses touch. For example hand-over-hand, where you put your hand over the person's hand who is signing so you can feel the signs. Just a different way of communicating that may seem really foreign to you, but when it is all you know it isn't so bad.

But how would someone learn braille without hearing? I imagine it's quite horrible to be born with nor sight nor sound. Toddlers learn by hearing and seeing, like when someone holds up the letter "A", and repeats it to her/him repeatedly, the baby gets the idea, A=A.

Good question. Language is important because it allows us to express and organize ideas mentally. I mean the mind does do A LOT of non-verbal work but most of conscious thought involves language. I think that unless they can learn braille or touch sign language, someone who is blind and deaf will be mentally impaired. If they can pick up some form of language they will likely mentally express ideas in that language. It's difficult to imagine non verbal thought but deaf people do it quite competently.

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]i meant how would they communicate outside themselves

Arthur96

Tactile signing. It is a sign language that uses touch. For example hand-over-hand, where you put your hand over the person's hand who is signing so you can feel the signs. Just a different way of communicating that may seem really foreign to you, but when it is all you know it isn't so bad.

But how would someone learn braille without hearing? I imagine it's quite horrible to be born with nor sight nor sound. Toddlers learn by hearing and seeing, like when someone holds up the letter "A", and repeats it to her/him repeatedly, the baby gets the idea, A=A.

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]i meant how would they communicate outside themselves

Arthur96

Tactile signing. It is a sign language that uses touch. For example hand-over-hand, where you put your hand over the person's hand who is signing so you can feel the signs. Just a different way of communicating that may seem really foreign to you, but when it is all you know it isn't so bad.

But how would someone learn braille without hearing? I imagine it's quite horrible to be born with nor sight nor sound. Toddlers learn by hearing and seeing, like when someone holds up the letter "A", and repeats it to her/him repeatedly, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

They would learn the same way, just with their other senses instead of sight/sound. They would repeat the ideas with touch. For example, they would use the brail sign for "A" and repeat it with the touch sign for "A" or whatever, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Tactile signing. It is a sign language that uses touch. For example hand-over-hand, where you put your hand over the person's hand who is signing so you can feel the signs. Just a different way of communicating that may seem really foreign to you, but when it is all you know it isn't so bad.

CammiTac

But how would someone learn braille without hearing? I imagine it's quite horrible to be born with nor sight nor sound. Toddlers learn by hearing and seeing, like when someone holds up the letter "A", and repeats it to her/him repeatedly, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

They would learn the same way, just with their other senses instead of sight/sound. They would repeat the ideas with touch. For example, they would use the brail sign for "A" and repeat it with the touch sign for "A" or whatever, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

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[QUOTE="Arthur96"]

But how would someone learn braille without hearing? I imagine it's quite horrible to be born with nor sight nor sound. Toddlers learn by hearing and seeing, like when someone holds up the letter "A", and repeats it to her/him repeatedly, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

Dr_Yeezy_3000

They would learn the same way, just with their other senses instead of sight/sound. They would repeat the ideas with touch. For example, they would use the brail sign for "A" and repeat it with the touch sign for "A" or whatever, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

Did you know what the symbols/sounds meant before you first learned your language?

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

They would learn the same way, just with their other senses instead of sight/sound. They would repeat the ideas with touch. For example, they would use the brail sign for "A" and repeat it with the touch sign for "A" or whatever, the baby still gets the idea, A=A.

CammiTac

Did you know what the symbols/sounds meant before you first learned your language?

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]yeah except he would still have no idea what that symbol means

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Did you know what the symbols/sounds meant before you first learned your language?

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Did you know what the symbols/sounds meant before you first learned your language?

CammiTac

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Did you know what the symbols/sounds meant before you first learned your language?

CammiTac

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

The problem is, people both deaf and blind have very little chances of actually learning a proper language.

Say that they do learn what A "feels" like. What will they do with it? Use it in their own imaginary language? They have no way to know what the letter sounds like, nor what it looks like, and honestly there is no way to learn a language in that state.

good luck teaching a blind and deaf person what irony is, what an idiot is, etc. what they can learn is severly limited, so limited that i cant see someone effectivly communicating with them

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]thats different because i could associate those symbols with sounds and than apply them to real life situations through vision, blind and deaf people have nothing to associate those symbols with

Arthur96

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

The problem is, people both deaf and blind have very little chances of actually learning a proper language.

Say that they do learn what A "feels" like. What will they do with it? Use it in their own imaginary language? They have no way to know what the letter sounds like, nor what it looks like, and honestly there is no way to learn a language in that state.

that sounds terrible would you be allowed to put that person down? i mean they arnt even living almost

that sounds terrible would you be allowed to put that person down? i mean they arnt even living almost

akdiuuuryttt

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[QUOTE="Dr_Yeezy_3000"]thats different because i could associate those symbols with sounds and than apply them to real life situations through vision, blind and deaf people have nothing to associate those symbols with

Arthur96

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

The problem is, people both deaf and blind have very little chances of actually learning a proper language.

Say that they do learn what A "feels" like. What will they do with it? Use it in their own imaginary language? They have no way to know what the letter sounds like, nor what it looks like, and honestly there is no way to learn a language in that state.

Do you know any deafblind individuals? Because I do. And the ones I've met are just as capable as anyone else I've met (one of them may be the smartest person I've ever met). And they do know language (and it isn't imaginary, by the way). It just isn't always a spoken language. I feel like you guys over rely on one or two of your senses. Not that is necessarily a bad thing if you have them all.

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

It isn't different. Deafblind people still have real life situations to associate these symbols with, they just experience these situations through touch, smell, and taste instead of sight and sound.

CammiTac

The problem is, people both deaf and blind have very little chances of actually learning a proper language.

Say that they do learn what A "feels" like. What will they do with it? Use it in their own imaginary language? They have no way to know what the letter sounds like, nor what it looks like, and honestly there is no way to learn a language in that state.

Do you know any deafblind individuals? Because I do. And the ones I've met are just as capable as anyone else I've met (one of them may be the smartest person I've ever met). And they do know language (and it isn't imaginary, by the way). It just isn't always a spoken language. I feel like you guys over rely on one or two of your senses. Not that is necessarily a bad thing if you have them all.

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[QUOTE="Arthur96"]

The problem is, people both deaf and blind have very little chances of actually learning a proper language.

Say that they do learn what A "feels" like. What will they do with it? Use it in their own imaginary language? They have no way to know what the letter sounds like, nor what it looks like, and honestly there is no way to learn a language in that state.

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Do you know any deafblind individuals? Because I do. And the ones I've met are just as capable as anyone else I've met (one of them may be the smartest person I've ever met). And they do know language (and it isn't imaginary, by the way). It just isn't always a spoken language. I feel like you guys over rely on one or two of your senses. Not that is necessarily a bad thing if you have them all.

Yes, I'm aware.

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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

Do you know any deafblind individuals? Because I do. And the ones I've met are just as capable as anyone else I've met (one of them may be the smartest person I've ever met). And they do know language (and it isn't imaginary, by the way). It just isn't always a spoken language. I feel like you guys over rely on one or two of your senses. Not that is necessarily a bad thing if you have them all.

CammiTac

Yes, I'm aware.

I read in a biography on Helen Keller that learning to touch-sign 'water' was her break-through point.

Like they'd pour water on the left hand and touch-sign 'water' on the right hand and would pour water on her hand any time she made the 'water' touch-sign gestures herself. Soon enough she realised the touch-sign word 'water' meant 'water' and only 'water' and that there was a touch-sign word for everything and she went around with her nurse learning all the words for the things she often touched like the flowers in the garden etc. I think she was about 4 years old.

I guess it's the epiphany of associating the touch-sign 'words' to everyday things that matters.

It's interesting though I don't think we could comprehend what the world 'looks' like to a person born deaf and blind, and I don't think they'd have any concept of sound whatsoever, not being able to hear things and not being able to see things speakers etc that would indicate sound existing.

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Yes, I'm aware.

CammiTac

Two of them were. I should mention that from what I know most are not born completely deaf and blind (these two were, though). They usually have a little bit of sight, or a little bit of residual hearing left. For example, Helen Keller wasn't born blind and deaf. She acquired an illness when she was 19 months old that left her blind and deaf. But still, she was only 19 months old. That is still quite impressive.

And with todays technology it is easier.

im talking about being completely blind and deaf

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Yes, again,I know. :P

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im talking about being completely blind and deaf

CammiTac

Yes, again,I know. :P

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im talking about being completely blind and deaf

Dr_Yeezy_3000

Yes, again,I know. :P

The person that I referred to as the smartest person I know, WAS born completely blind and deaf. I was just saying that a lot of deafblind individuals weren't born deafblind, but rather became deafblind later in life. And that some people considered deafblind actually have a little bit of residual hearing or sight left.

Sorry, I sometimes am not the best at written word and can be confusing.

I don't think a deaf/blind person would be limited to understanding most things, even emotions.

Learning a touch-sign word for something would be no different to a deaf person learning a signed word. Once they understood the concept that everything they could feel - and thus 'see' or be aware of - had it's own seperate name then they'd be away.

And they would be able to feel their own tears when they were sad and their smile when they laughed and feel them on others too and so connect the idea of emotions and such. The only different would be that they would rely on touch as their main sense rather than sight or sound.

I think their life would definitely be somewhat limited, but not completely void of understanding, interaction or communication with others.

how would someone communicate if they were born blind and deaf? they couldnt even learn brail because theyre deaf and no one can teach them

i couldnt imagine living like that id probably commit suicide for real

Dr_Yeezy_3000

I don't think a deaf/blind person would be limited to understanding most things, even emotions.

Learning a touch-sign word for something would be no different to a deaf person learning a signed word. Once they understood the concept that everything they could feel - and thus 'see' or be aware of - had it's own seperate name then they'd be away.

And they would be able to feel their own tears when they were sad and their smile when they laughed and feel them on others too and so connect the idea of emotions and such. The only different would be that they would rely on touch as their main sense rather than sight or sound.

I think their life would definitely be somewhat limited, but not completely void of understanding, interaction or communication with others.

MissLibrarian

Thank you. That is what I'm trying to say. I just didn't say it nearly as eloquently.