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I'm doing a research paper on illegal immigration and the more I read the further I find out how much is made up by the media and how much racism plays a role in this. Reading an analysis of media and reporting on illegal immigration they always have negative views even when research points to the opposite. For draining social services. A report found that in San Diego illegal immigrants contributed to 42mil while used 2 mil. I'm pissed because this is such racism by the media that has a predefined view and uses whatever data it can find even if it based purely on oppinions or guestimates to agree with their views when more accurate studies are out there that have reliable data and point to the opposite. And what is even more sickening is that this form of racism is justified in the US and goes underneath the radar.

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leu dobbs /thread.
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#3 RJay123
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What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

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#4 MocktheDead
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LOL I see where your going with this, but the title is really misleading.
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#5 bobaban
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Uhh what? Illegal Immigration is a bad thing.
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#6 coolbeans90
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While I think immigration is a good thing, and that I would like to make it easier for folks to immigrate legally, the laws need to be obeyed. People need to play by the rules.

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#7 Iwannabetheguy8
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Immigration = good

Illegal immigration = bad

Dunno why people get the 2 confused.

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Illegal immigration is wrong. Period. Work hard and gain access to the USA in the right way. If I want a job in the USA and want to live in the states, I'm going to fill out the paperwork and do whatever is necessary to gain entry. Jumping in illegally shows a disregard for everything th country stands for, so...yeah. It's bad news. Do you have a link to that report, perchance? It would be interesting to read up more on that.
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I think your using the word "racism" way out of context. I for one don't see a single racist thing about any of this.
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It's not racist when it's people in general.

Illegal immigration varies through all races.

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The irony is that you guys can't see this since you have no concept of the reality. Many of your opinions are based on what the media tells you is true like the burden of illegals on this country, the lack of tax contribution, crime caused, unimployment caused, overpopulation. So I really can't blame you all for thinking the way you do. After all you can only see the reality that you are presented. However I do recommend you "The Press and the Undocumented Immigrant". Which is shows that the media has time after time only shown their own reality based on opnions and guestimates while ignoring primary research that showed the complete opposite. There is a reason why most Mexican Americans are outraged at the treatment of illegals. Stereotypes of them don't match up with reality.
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It's not racist when it's people in general.

Illegal immigration varies through all races.

Gaming-Planet
It is racism when the focus in on non white illegals. I'm a white Mexican and have seen how skin color makes a difference. Those with darker color are considered illegal while whites are ok.
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What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

RJay123

Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

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The irony is that you guys can't see this since you have no concept of the reality. Many of your opinions are based on what the media tells you is true like the burden of illegals on this country, the lack of tax contribution, crime caused, unimployment caused, overpopulation. So I really can't blame you all for thinking the way you do. After all you can only see the reality that you are presented. However I do recommend you "The Press and the Undocumented Immigrant". Which is shows that the media has time after time only shown their own reality based on opnions and guestimates while ignoring primary research that showed the complete opposite. There is a reason why most Mexican Americans are outraged at the treatment of illegals. Stereotypes of them don't match up with reality.SpartanNapoleon
It very well could be true that mexican illegals are being stereotyped...but they came to the country illegally. Why should they be helped out when they showed incredible disrespect to mexicans who work hard to immigrate legally into the USA?
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[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

It's not racist when it's people in general.

Illegal immigration varies through all races.

SpartanNapoleon

It is racism when the focus in on non white illegals. I'm a white Mexican and have seen how skin color makes a difference. Those with darker color are considered illegal while whites are ok.

Says who? I have never, repeat, never heard someone state that it is alright for a white person to immigrate illegally, yet not so for any other race. That assertion is ridiculous.

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[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

It's not racist when it's people in general.

Illegal immigration varies through all races.

SpartanNapoleon

It is racism when the focus in on non white illegals. I'm a white Mexican and have seen how skin color makes a difference. Those with darker color are considered illegal while whites are ok.

To be honest we are all immigrants. The ones that are "illegal" are the ones that come to a country illegally. Not much into history or anything but wasn't it the natives (not white) that owned america then they were all invaded.

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The bad thing about "illegal" immigrants:

1)They don't meet our standards

2)Majority of them don't speak english

3)It's hard for them to comprehend.

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[QUOTE="RJay123"]

What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

SpartanNapoleon

Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

You're basically proposing it would not be a terrible idea to have an open border. And please, spare us the history-book lesson of European immigration back in the 1600s or whatever. I was born in Canada. I'm Canadian. People need to stop thinking about where they descend from dating generations back. If I immigrate illegally to the USA, I'm a Canadian. If I immigrate legally to the USA and change my citizenship over, I'm *gasp* an American. You're right that not all illegal actions are bad, but at the same time they're usually there for a reason, and there are plenty of good reasons why borders exist.

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"][QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

It's not racist when it's people in general.

Illegal immigration varies through all races.

Gaming-Planet

It is racism when the focus in on non white illegals. I'm a white Mexican and have seen how skin color makes a difference. Those with darker color are considered illegal while whites are ok.

To be honest we are all immigrants. The ones that are "illegal" are the ones that come to a country illegally. Not much into history or anything but wasn't it the natives (not white) that owned america then they were all invaded.

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The bad thing about "illegal" immigrants:

1)They don't meet our standards

2)Majority of them don't speak english

3)It's hard for them to comprehend.

So which points 1-3 are different from illegal immigrants to legal immigrants. If you mention 1-3 I will say that you have to have some background in the subject before you can make an argument.
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[QUOTE="RJay123"]

What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

SpartanNapoleon

Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

Haha no they aren't. Of course, if you can cite what Native American laws all white people are breaking, I'll gladly take back that "haha."

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"][QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"] Its not. You have to live it. You have to see family members being treated differently based on their color.[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

[QUOTE="RJay123"]

What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

coolbeans90

Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

You're basically proposing it would not be a terrible idea to have an open border. And please, spare us the history-book lesson of European immigration back in the 1600s or whatever. I was born in Canada. I'm Canadian. People need to stop thinking about where they descend from dating generations back. If I immigrate illegally to the USA, I'm a Canadian. If I immigrate legally to the USA and change my citizenship over, I'm *gasp* an American. You're right that not all illegal actions are bad, but at the same time they're usually there for a reason, and there are plenty of good reasons why borders exist.

Tell me how many times do you see illegal Canadian immigrants depicted as criminals, leeches on society, invaders, among others. I'm a white mexican and from a legal background from all my family but I do see that the reality does not match with the portrayal. There were institutions that made racism for blacks and the same are doing it for illegal Mexicans. The people in power shape the perceptions that we see through media. People that have an interest in cheap labor and de-unionizing that allows for the demonizing of this group of people. I'm not arguing for border or not, I'm pointing out the racism that exists in the media. Hopefully after I finish my paper I will post it.

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

[QUOTE="RJay123"]

What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

guynamedbilly

Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

Haha no they aren't. Of course, if you can cite what Native American laws all white people are breaking, I'll gladly take back that "haha."

My point is that you can't cite current laws for treatment a group of people recieves as those laws can be immoral and detrimental.

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

SpartanNapoleon

Haha no they aren't. Of course, if you can cite what Native American laws all white people are breaking, I'll gladly take back that "haha."

My point is that you can't cite current laws for treatment a group of people recieves as those laws can be immoral and detrimental.

Just because a large number of people of a particular color are the main offenders of a law, doesn't mean that law was instated specifically to keep them down.

The laws you mentioned about a black man voting or owning property were racist because the laws only kept down all people who were not white europeans. The laws regarding immigration are not race specific and would be the same for all people including white europeans, africans, hispanics, etc.

Just because you perceive the people enforcing a law might be racist(as in giving preferential treatment to an illegal white Canadian instead of an illegal Mexican for example) does not mean that the law is racist. The law is in fact, not racist but nationalistic, as all laws regarding international relations are...

In your support, this topic went off course and I caught the tail end of the diversion. I agree that the media will be racist, sexist, or otherwise if they can improve their ratings and profits. Freedom of speech isn't likely to be revoked to that degree any time soon though.

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Haha no they aren't. Of course, if you can cite what Native American laws all white people are breaking, I'll gladly take back that "haha."

guynamedbilly

My point is that you can't cite current laws for treatment a group of people recieves as those laws can be immoral and detrimental.

Just because a large number of people of a particular color are the main offenders of a law, doesn't mean that law was instated specifically to keep them down.

The laws you mentioned about a black man voting or owning property were racist because the laws only kept down all people who were not white europeans. The laws regarding immigration are not race specific and would be the same for all people including white europeans, africans, hispanics, etc.

Just because you perceive the people enforcing a law might be racist(as in giving preferential treatment to an illegal white Canadian instead of an illegal Mexican for example) does not mean that the law is racist. The law is in fact, not racist but nationalistic, as all laws regarding international relations are...

In your support, this topic went off course and I caught the tail end of the diversion. I agree that the media will be racist, sexist, or otherwise if they can improve their ratings and profits. Freedom of speech isn't likely to be revoked to that degree any time soon though.

Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.

I don't carry around immigration arrest statistics in my pocket. And again, just because the officer enforcing a law might be racist, doesn't mean that the law is racist. I agree that it is prejudice (not necessarily racist) when laws are made to target a particular group of people. US immigration laws do not target a particular group of people, they target everyone who is not a US citizen. I have no idea what you are talking about with your giving water to illegals and the no desert comment. I also don't know what that sentence about "color has anything to do with crime" is supposed to mean. It is true that people aren't born with criminal intent just because of their race, but that has nothing to do with this discussion because when people illegally immigrate, they become criminals. I don't know what your last two sentences are about either.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Remember that legality has nothing to do with justice. It was illegal for Black men to vote or own property. Just because you slap a word illegal does not make a person any less worthy. All whites in the US are illegal so should we give them the same treatment.

SpartanNapoleon

You're basically proposing it would not be a terrible idea to have an open border. And please, spare us the history-book lesson of European immigration back in the 1600s or whatever. I was born in Canada. I'm Canadian. People need to stop thinking about where they descend from dating generations back. If I immigrate illegally to the USA, I'm a Canadian. If I immigrate legally to the USA and change my citizenship over, I'm *gasp* an American. You're right that not all illegal actions are bad, but at the same time they're usually there for a reason, and there are plenty of good reasons why borders exist.

Tell me how many times do you see illegal Canadian immigrants depicted as criminals, leeches on society, invaders, among others. I'm a white mexican and from a legal background from all my family but I do see that the reality does not match with the portrayal. There were institutions that made racism for blacks and the same are doing it for illegal Mexicans. The people in power shape the perceptions that we see through media. People that have an interest in cheap labor and de-unionizing that allows for the demonizing of this group of people. I'm not arguing for border or not, I'm pointing out the racism that exists in the media. Hopefully after I finish my paper I will post it.

Illegal Canadian immigrants aren't easy to come by. Mostly because those who are illegal, are criminals escaping the law. They tend to be caught real quickly and returned to the province they came from. I'll never claim that most illegals are terrible criminals or anything. They aren't. They're likely just down on their luck and trying to make better lives for themselves and their families, which is admirable. However, there are immigration laws, and they must be followed. If you do not follow the laws of the land as citizens of the country tend to do...and many illegals do not...then there remains an issue. If these people would put in the due time to immigrate legally, there would not be an issue. Yes, there are companies that love the cheap labour and exploit illegals by not paying them minimum wage. That should be amended, but it probably won't be. However, that does not mean two wrongs make a right. Of course, the media makes decisions on how they want *insert topic here* to be portrayed. It's why I stay away from it unless I can get information on the topic from varying sources, so I can get all sides of the story, or at least as many as I can dig up. Do you think illegal immigrants are doing the country good?
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.

I don't carry around immigration arrest statistics in my pocket. And again, just because the officer enforcing a law might be racist, doesn't mean that the law is racist. I agree that it is prejudice (not necessarily racist) when laws are made to target a particular group of people. US immigration laws do not target a particular group of people, they target everyone who is not a US citizen. I have no idea what you are talking about with your giving water to illegals and the no desert comment. I also don't know what that sentence about "color has anything to do with crime" is supposed to mean. It is true that people aren't born with criminal intent just because of their race, but that has nothing to do with this discussion because when people illegally immigrate, they become criminals. I don't know what your last two sentences are about either.

You brought up that people of color commit more crimes so I'm responding to that.
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.

I don't carry around immigration arrest statistics in my pocket. And again, just because the officer enforcing a law might be racist, doesn't mean that the law is racist. I agree that it is prejudice (not necessarily racist) when laws are made to target a particular group of people. US immigration laws do not target a particular group of people, they target everyone who is not a US citizen. I have no idea what you are talking about with your giving water to illegals and the no desert comment. I also don't know what that sentence about "color has anything to do with crime" is supposed to mean. It is true that people aren't born with criminal intent just because of their race, but that has nothing to do with this discussion because when people illegally immigrate, they become criminals. I don't know what your last two sentences are about either.

You brought up that people of color commit more crimes so I'm responding to that.

No I didn't, read it again.
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] My point is that you can't cite current laws for treatment a group of people recieves as those laws can be immoral and detrimental.

SpartanNapoleon

Just because a large number of people of a particular color are the main offenders of a law, doesn't mean that law was instated specifically to keep them down.

The laws you mentioned about a black man voting or owning property were racist because the laws only kept down all people who were not white europeans. The laws regarding immigration are not race specific and would be the same for all people including white europeans, africans, hispanics, etc.

Just because you perceive the people enforcing a law might be racist(as in giving preferential treatment to an illegal white Canadian instead of an illegal Mexican for example) does not mean that the law is racist. The law is in fact, not racist but nationalistic, as all laws regarding international relations are...

In your support, this topic went off course and I caught the tail end of the diversion. I agree that the media will be racist, sexist, or otherwise if they can improve their ratings and profits. Freedom of speech isn't likely to be revoked to that degree any time soon though.

Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.

Actually, there's some pretty nasty land around the manitoba/US border, on hwy 59, if I remember correctly. Not a very nice place. There aren't many raids on white illegals because there aren't all that many, especially in concentrated areas. It may be racial profiling by approaching a group and asking for their papers, but illegal immigration is commonplace, and it is an issue in American society. I would feel insulted, but at the same time, if I had worked hard to get legally immigrated into the country, I would make a point to differentiate myself. I'd make sure I could hash out basic sentences in English, to better communicate. I'd have proper ID on me at all times...heck, even as a white, Canadian citizen, I ALWAYS have full ID on me at all times. Just in case I need it. What really needs to happen is a denouncing of illegal immigrants from a prominent Mexican-American group. Support their rights as human beings as should be done anyways, but don't support them politically. Maybe I just see things differently because of my "white entitlement", and I suppose a case could be made for that, but in my eyes, if you live in a country respect it. There's a guy I used to go to high-school with who exploits loopholes in the welfare system and lives off it, jobless. Then there's the owner of a string of convenience stores in my town, who immigrated from Sri Lanka and worked his butt off and is a model citizen in the community. The "immigrant from Sri Lanka" is more Canadian than the high-school jerk who exploits the system, who is only a Canadian in writing. People who exploit the country they live in aren't respecting that county and thus aren't worthy of the benefits it bestows. People who work hard, are there legally, and attempt to be good citizens are worthy of those benefits and have respected the country, earning the respect of the country in return. Illegal immigrants are not in the country legally, and no matter the financial outcome, are exploiting the system.
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"] You're basically proposing it would not be a terrible idea to have an open border. And please, spare us the history-book lesson of European immigration back in the 1600s or whatever. I was born in Canada. I'm Canadian. People need to stop thinking about where they descend from dating generations back. If I immigrate illegally to the USA, I'm a Canadian. If I immigrate legally to the USA and change my citizenship over, I'm *gasp* an American. You're right that not all illegal actions are bad, but at the same time they're usually there for a reason, and there are plenty of good reasons why borders exist.

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Tell me how many times do you see illegal Canadian immigrants depicted as criminals, leeches on society, invaders, among others. I'm a white mexican and from a legal background from all my family but I do see that the reality does not match with the portrayal. There were institutions that made racism for blacks and the same are doing it for illegal Mexicans. The people in power shape the perceptions that we see through media. People that have an interest in cheap labor and de-unionizing that allows for the demonizing of this group of people. I'm not arguing for border or not, I'm pointing out the racism that exists in the media. Hopefully after I finish my paper I will post it.

Illegal Canadian immigrants aren't easy to come by. Mostly because those who are illegal, are criminals escaping the law. They tend to be caught real quickly and returned to the province they came from. I'll never claim that most illegals are terrible criminals or anything. They aren't. They're likely just down on their luck and trying to make better lives for themselves and their families, which is admirable. However, there are immigration laws, and they must be followed. If you do not follow the laws of the land as citizens of the country tend to do...and many illegals do not...then there remains an issue. If these people would put in the due time to immigrate legally, there would not be an issue. Yes, there are companies that love the cheap labour and exploit illegals by not paying them minimum wage. That should be amended, but it probably won't be. However, that does not mean two wrongs make a right. Of course, the media makes decisions on how they want *insert topic here* to be portrayed. It's why I stay away from it unless I can get information on the topic from varying sources, so I can get all sides of the story, or at least as many as I can dig up. Do you think illegal immigrants are doing the country good?

To answer the question let me give you one statistic a San Diego report showed that illegal immigrants in that city contributed to 48 mil and only used 2 mil in services. Which makes sense as employers have to tax their checks and illegals tend to not want to use services for fear of deportation and trouble obtaining those services. But if you were to look at the media you would think the opposite. Why do they constantly show negative views on them when the reality is the opposite. My source is "The Press and the Undocumented Immigrant" Pg90.
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] Tell me how many raids there is on White Illegals? How many times do cops go around and arrests Whites hanging out by home depot for not having their papers at hand? This is racism. No question about it. It is racism when laws are made to target a particular group of people. Why is it illegal to give water to an illegal immigrant? Its because its better for a person to die of thirst crossing the dessert than to come to this country. Notice that there are no desserts between Canada and US. And why do you say that color has anything to do with crime? There are other reason's just because people are born of different races does not mean that they have a criminal mentality. I also studied that issue and race has nothing to do with it. Poverty does.

I don't carry around immigration arrest statistics in my pocket. And again, just because the officer enforcing a law might be racist, doesn't mean that the law is racist. I agree that it is prejudice (not necessarily racist) when laws are made to target a particular group of people. US immigration laws do not target a particular group of people, they target everyone who is not a US citizen. I have no idea what you are talking about with your giving water to illegals and the no desert comment. I also don't know what that sentence about "color has anything to do with crime" is supposed to mean. It is true that people aren't born with criminal intent just because of their race, but that has nothing to do with this discussion because when people illegally immigrate, they become criminals. I don't know what your last two sentences are about either.

I'm talking about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkX2Us287qs
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkX2Us287qs

I went through about 6 minutes of that video and those women were not arrested for giving the man water. They couldn't give him anything once he was in custody, which is the same for all criminals because they could give them weapons. I hope you use some facts in your report and not strictly opinion. I did read a story about a man that was arrested for dropping water jugs off in a national park for immigrants. He wasn't arrested for giving them water though, he was arrested because he didn't accept the community service sentence he was given for littering. Your statement about the 48 million in collected taxes is good if you can back it up. Stick with that.
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkX2Us287qsguynamedbilly
I went through about 6 minutes of that video and those women were not arrested for giving the man water. They couldn't give him anything once he was in custody, which is the same for all criminals because they could give them weapons. I hope you use some facts in your report and not strictly opinion. I did read a story about a man that was arrested for dropping water jugs off in a national park for immigrants. He wasn't arrested for giving them water though, he was arrested because he didn't accept the community service sentence he was given for littering. Your statement about the 48 million in collected taxes is good if you can back it up. Stick with that.

You need to watch it again. It is illegal to offer aid all they can do is call the border patrol. An important aspect of this video is that it shows the humanity of these people.

And here is for the part you requested

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants
. It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States. Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. ( Sec. 277. [8 U.S.C. 1327] )

So giving them water would count as assisting.

And as for the guy facing prison time for dropping water in the dessert. There is such things as picking which laws to enforce. I mean how many people that you know of have gotten prison time for trash. Especially in the dessert. And who considers water jugs in the dessert trash? The real reason he is being tried is to deter helping illegals even humanitairan situations.

This is part of history. A group is blamed for all the problems or denominized by the media which allows abuse for that particular group seem normal and moral.

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkX2Us287qsSpartanNapoleon

I went through about 6 minutes of that video and those women were not arrested for giving the man water. They couldn't give him anything once he was in custody, which is the same for all criminals because they could give them weapons. I hope you use some facts in your report and not strictly opinion. I did read a story about a man that was arrested for dropping water jugs off in a national park for immigrants. He wasn't arrested for giving them water though, he was arrested because he didn't accept the community service sentence he was given for littering. Your statement about the 48 million in collected taxes is good if you can back it up. Stick with that.

You need to watch it again. It is illegal to offer aid all they can do is call the border patrol. An important aspect of this video is that it shows the humanity of these people.

And here is for the part you requested

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants
. It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States. Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. ( Sec. 277. [8 U.S.C. 1327] )

So giving them water would count as assisting.

Oh my gosh no. At 6:30 when he is arrested you see the guy is surrounded by water bottles and has a new towel that he is sitting on. The only time they are not allowed to give him more water is when he is already in custody. The woman says that they are not allowed to transport him anywhere. She didn't say anything about not giving him water. Smuggling someone across the border is an obvious crime.

Also the law says it's illegal to aid or assist them to enter the US. Those ladies weren't helping him enter the US. They called the border patrol on him. They were just making sure that he didn't die.

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] I went through about 6 minutes of that video and those women were not arrested for giving the man water. They couldn't give him anything once he was in custody, which is the same for all criminals because they could give them weapons. I hope you use some facts in your report and not strictly opinion. I did read a story about a man that was arrested for dropping water jugs off in a national park for immigrants. He wasn't arrested for giving them water though, he was arrested because he didn't accept the community service sentence he was given for littering. Your statement about the 48 million in collected taxes is good if you can back it up. Stick with that.guynamedbilly

You need to watch it again. It is illegal to offer aid all they can do is call the border patrol. An important aspect of this video is that it shows the humanity of these people.

And here is for the part you requested

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants
. It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States. Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. ( Sec. 277. [8 U.S.C. 1327] )

So giving them water would count as assisting.

Oh my gosh no. At 6:30 when he is arrested you see the guy is surrounded by water bottles and has a new towel that he is sitting on. The only time they are not allowed to give him more water is when he is already in custody. The woman says that they are not allowed to transport him anywhere. She didn't say anything about not giving him water. Smuggling someone across the border is an obvious crime.

Also the law says it's illegal to aid or assist them to enter the US. Those ladies weren't helping him enter the US. They called the border patrol on him. They were just making sure that he didn't die.

Just like the example about the seminarian arrested for "Littering" water jugs in the dessert you can find a way to enforce laws in order to repress a group. I got that water to illegals was illegal. If not they could have supplied the person with aid and allowed him to make the journey. I do remember seeing a documentary where it said it was illegal to give any aid including water to illegals but I would need to find it. But either way I hope that you can agree that aid can be in the form of water and it can be enforced according to the law.

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But either way I hope that you can agree that aid can be in the form of water and it can be enforced according to the law.SpartanNapoleon
Yes, I'd imagine being an accessory to a crime would be illegal in most modern countries.
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its not a matter of racism. illegal immigration is ILLEGAL.../thread.
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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]But either way I hope that you can agree that aid can be in the form of water and it can be enforced according to the law.guynamedbilly
Yes, I'd imagine being an accessory to a crime would be illegal in most modern countries.

Why must you use such harsh words? Let me ask you something do you think it should be illegal to give water to a person crossing the border in order to provide humanitarian aid?
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I know of a certain "employer" who has quite a few illegals under her/his whim, they all have documentation which "looks" legal (even though it's false) so the employer won't be at fault if the documents look valid. These illegals pay into social security, yet they'll receive nothing back from it years from now. Quite entertaining. Even though the social security numbers are rejected every time, the gov't hasn't came in and removed them or notified the employer to remove them or notify anyone--in fact, they just say "ignore" it. Apparently, they don't give a rat's ass so long as the illegals are paying into the system. Ha.
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What exactly is racist about this?

They are ILLEGAL. Whether or not they contribute, there should be documentation. They shouldn't cheat in order to get here because that is a slap in the face to those who follow the rules.

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This. Making sense ftw.

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I'm doing a research paper on illegal immigration and the more I read the further I find out how much is made up by the media and how much racism plays a role in this. Reading an analysis of media and reporting on illegal immigration they always have negative views even when research points to the opposite. For draining social services. A report found that in San Diego illegal immigrants contributed to 42mil while used 2 mil. I'm pissed because this is such racism by the media that has a predefined view and uses whatever data it can find even if it based purely on oppinions or guestimates to agree with their views when more accurate studies are out there that have reliable data and point to the opposite. And what is even more sickening is that this form of racism is justified in the US and goes underneath the radar.

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Doesn't sound racist to me.
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The word racism is over used. There is in fact only one human race.

Anywas, illegal immigration is over blown, they are just people doing what it takes to get by. At the end of the day, I can't really blame them for it. Quality of living in America is significantly higher than many other places.. why wouldn't you want to come here when the oppurtunities in your own country are limited.

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Lol, Another "Racism" thread. Why are white people always getting accused of being racist?

And if you say "THey are", I oughta' punch you in the nose :P

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Did you know if Americans illegally crossed the border to Mexico they'd be shot? Have you read up on all the rules pertaining to immigrating to Mexico. You can't even own land by the water. Because it's "Illegal" for non-Mexicans.

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[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]

I'm doing a research paper on illegal immigration and the more I read the further I find out how much is made up by the media and how much racism plays a role in this. Reading an analysis of media and reporting on illegal immigration they always have negative views even when research points to the opposite. For draining social services. A report found that in San Diego illegal immigrants contributed to 42mil while used 2 mil. I'm pissed because this is such racism by the media that has a predefined view and uses whatever data it can find even if it based purely on oppinions or guestimates to agree with their views when more accurate studies are out there that have reliable data and point to the opposite. And what is even more sickening is that this form of racism is justified in the US and goes underneath the radar.

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Doesn't sound racist to me.

Me either. The key word here is ILLEGAL. You deserve no benefits or rights as a citizen (Of this country) if you came here Illegally.

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Oh god...people crying out racism again...

I guess next will be if i say i dislike Obama i will get called a racist..oh wait..:P

Seriously though..racism is the most overused term these days....whenever something goes wrong i hear cries about racism...get over it already...

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Did you know if Americans illegally crossed the border to Mexico they'd be shot?Snipes_2
The last time I crossed it there was no formalities getting INTO Mexico. I don't think they really care.
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#48 Snipes_2
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Oh god...people crying out racism again...

I guess next will be if i say i dislike Obama i will get called a racist..oh wait..:P

Seriously though..racism is the most overused term these days....whenever something goes wrong i hear cries about racism...get over it already...

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Better put your flame suit on.

I got mine in the mail yesterday 8)

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Did you know if Americans illegally crossed the border to Mexico they'd be shot?smc91352
The last time I crossed it there was no formalities getting INTO Mexico. I don't think they really care.

Were you crossing it Illegally?

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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Did you know if Americans illegally crossed the border to Mexico they'd be shot?Snipes_2

The last time I crossed it there was no formalities getting INTO Mexico. I don't think they really care.

Were you crossing it Illegally?

how do you do it illegally? The only thing that was "an obstacle" was some soldiers that were looking out for something suspicious. But that was when I was already in Mexico. Did I break a law?