im against g@y marriage..

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]Also, Southern Pride and CWEB, you still have not adressed the fact that marriage is not about having children.SouthernPride10

uhh..yes it is..

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

I agree with South Park, they should be called "Butt Buddies" \

the_leet_kid

Wow, you totally missed the point of that south park episode. Are you too young to understand satire?

No I am not young, (If you count 18 young) but what I think they were trying to say is Gays are capable of take care of a kid, unless you would like to enlighten me on the "satire".

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]Also, Southern Pride and CWEB, you still have not adressed the fact that marriage is not about having children.SouthernPride10

uhh..yes it is..

[QUOTE="SympathyForLdyV"][QUOTE="SouthernPride10"]

[QUOTE="SympathyForLdyV"]...so in your opinion a straight brother and sister that can reproduce can get married to each other? I like your way of thinking8)SouthernPride10

incest is illegal too...

Even if it is illegal why would you discrimnate them? They follow all of your guidlines for a marriage...

geez..does the word "illegal" mean anything anymore?

last i checked..if you do something illegal in the US, you face criminal penalty under the Constitution

But the reason incest is illegal is to protect them from having off-sprig because most inbreed kids have serious problems. What do/did gay people do wrong?

[QUOTE="SouthernPride10"]

..does that make me a bad person?..

i dont think so..

but before you all go "AHHHH HOMOPHOBE OMG OMG OMG!!!"..let me explain why..

first of all..theres a reason why marriage is between a man & a woman..if 2 dudes or 2 ladies can some how have a kid together..(& i dont mean any of this adoption BS)..then by all means..let them have the same benefits..but last i checked..it is impossible for g@y couples to reproduce.

Another thing..if you legalize g@y marriage..then that would open the door for all sorts of weird fetishes..it would only be a matter of time before people start raising crap about wanting to marry their farm animals..

who wants to debate me?

nbtrap1212

No, it doesn't make you a bad person. Homosexuality is a sin, always has been, and always will be. However, you should hate the sin and love the sinner, so as long as you don't judge someone on his sexuality, you're not a bad person.

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

I agree with South Park, they should be called "Butt Buddies" \

CWEBB04z

Wow, you totally missed the point of that south park episode. Are you too young to understand satire?

No I am not young, (If you count 18 young) but what I think they were trying to say is Gays are capable of take care of a kid, unless you would like to enlighten me on the "satire".

so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"CWEBB04z

so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"CWEBB04z

everyone has a right to do whatever they want so long as they don't initiate force against others. that's why government and state-sanctioned marriage is wrong, do you understand? government is force. whether or not gay people can or should marry isn't even an important topic, and people's opinions about it don't matter.

Should inter-religious marriages be allowed?

Should inter-racial marriages be allowed?

Keep in mind that only 200 years ago, most of you would probably be saying "Absolutely not. It's just not right."

"A black man marrying a white woman? Let's lynch him!!"

Anyway, if "it's just not right" is the best argument that you can come up with, then the hell with you. I take delight in knowing that gay marriage WILL eventually be legal in the entire United States. And that you're going to die old and unhappy just because yoiu can't get over the fact that somewhere in the USA, one dude is having sex with another dude and getting the same benefits that you used to get before your wife died of old age.

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"Self_indulgence

that is true...I dont want them to marry, but it may be for the better..I dont know ..I just don't want Man to Man, Women to Women, It just doesn'tlook right.

Should inter-religious marriages be allowed?

Should inter-racial marriages be allowed?

Keep in mind that only 200 years ago, most of you would probably be saying "Absolutely not. It's just not right."

"A black man marrying a white woman? Let's lynch him!!"

Anyway, if "it's just not right" is the best argument that you can come up with, then the hell with you. I take delight in knowing that gay marriage WILL eventually be legal in the entire United States. And that you're going to die old and unhappy just because yoiu can't get over the fact that somewhere in the USA, one dude is having sex with another dude and getting the same benefits that you used to get before your wife died of old age.

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

MrGeezer

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

thecaper77

so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"CWEBB04z

Should have the same rights as any other human being in the USA, so yeah....I figure as much. That, along with separation of church and state should pretty much seal the deal.

Honestly, I always thought marriage was a really good way of two people showing their love and devotion for each other. I mean, it's not everyday that two incredibly fertile people hook up randomly and get married because they have potential to be awesome breeders.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"Lockedge

Should have the same rights as any other human being in the USA, so yeah....I figure as much. That, along with separation of church and state should pretty much seal the deal.

Honestly, I always thought marriage was a really good way of two people showing their love and devotion for each other. I mean, it's not everyday that two incredibly fertile people hook up randomly and get married because they have potential to be awesome breeders.

Arranged Marriages in other countries?

[QUOTE="thecaper77"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

Self_indulgence

One of the things that piss me off the most in life are douchebags who think it's their right and duty to tell people what they can and can't do based on the fact that "they don't think it's right." or use some bull**** religous rhetoric to back themselves up. I don't understand, why can't a homosexual couple enjoy the same privaleges as a straight couple? What have they done that's so bad that they must be discriminated? As long as they're not harming me I really don't care. It's their life and their business, what gives me or you the right to tell them if they can or can't get married?

**** people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives. **** people who think they have a right to take away a privalege that humans have had for centuries. They have a right to happiness and if marriage makes them happy **** you for wanting to deny that right.

These people who believe that homosexuals don't deserve to get married are the same as people in the past who believed blacks were inferior to whites and should be denied certain rights. **** them.

**** people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives. **** people who think they have a right to take away a privalege that humans have had for centuries. They have a right to happiness and if marriage makes them happy **** you for wanting to deny that right.

Headbanger88

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you 'TOLERANCE'!

I thought that the original Americans went to America to escape oppression based on their beliefs. Teh Irony?!HessenKnight

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"CWEBB04z

that is true...I dont want them to marry, but it may be for the better..I dont know ..I just don't want Man to Man, Women to Women, It just doesn'tlook right.

Doesn't look right?

I don't think daisies look good planted in front of brick, but my neighbour is allowed to do it anyways.
I don't think fanny packs look right, yet so many wear them.
I don't think mullets look right, but some people ****their hair that way anyways.
I don't think wood-grain paneling on cars looks right, but it', for some reason, sold as an option on some cars.
I don't think it looks right for people to park cars on their lawn and leave their drive-way empty...but it happens.
Shall I go on? It's all trivial. I remember in "American Beauty", the military father and his son are in the car and see the gay couple jogging, and the dad wonders if they have no shame, and the son replies that maybe they don't feel shame in it at all.

They shouldn't. You might not like how it looks, but there are a lot of things that don't look right that should be focused on, such as bars on windows in crime-ridden areas of cities. Broken down local commercial areas due to decades of defeat from big box companies like Walmart. People on the streets from unemployment. Bad education ratings across the school boards.

Doesn't look right? Jeez.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"CWEBB04z

Should have the same rights as any other human being in the USA, so yeah....I figure as much. That, along with separation of church and state should pretty much seal the deal.

Honestly, I always thought marriage was a really good way of two people showing their love and devotion for each other. I mean, it's not everyday that two incredibly fertile people hook up randomly and get married because they have potential to be awesome breeders.

Arranged Marriages in other countries?

Usually familial and financial reasoning for that. Fertility usually isn't judged in that kind of thing, seeing as in countries that endorse arranged marriages, virginity is also a protected commodity in women.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"Lockedge

that is true...I dont want them to marry, but it may be for the better..I dont know ..I just don't want Man to Man, Women to Women, It just doesn'tlook right.

Doesn't look right?

I don't think daisies look good planted in front of brick, but my neighbour is allowed to do it anyways.
I don't think fanny packs look right, yet so many wear them.
I don't think mullets look right, but some people ****their hair that way anyways.
I don't think wood-grain paneling on cars looks right, but it', for some reason, sold as an option on some cars.
I don't think it looks right for people to park cars on their lawn and leave their drive-way empty...but it happens.
Shall I go on? It's all trivial. I remember in "American Beauty", the military father and his son are in the car and see the gay couple jogging, and the dad wonders if they have no shame, and the son replies that maybe they don't feel shame in it at all.

They shouldn't. You might not like how it looks, but there are a lot of things that don't look right that should be focused on, such as bars on windows in crime-ridden areas of cities. Broken down local commercial areas due to decades of defeat from big box companies like Walmart. People on the streets from unemployment. Bad education ratings across the school boards.

Doesn't look right? Jeez.

okay, you got me there, i accept ownage...

Hrm, it would "ruin marriage"? More than the approximate 50% divorce rate does? That's quite a high bar for us to beat...xaos

The high divorce rate can likely be attributed to the "no-fault divorce act" signed in 1970.

[QUOTE="Headbanger88"]

One of the things that piss me off the most in life are douchebags who think it's their right and duty to tell people what they can and can't do based on the fact that "they don't think it's right." or use some bull**** religous rhetoric to back themselves up. I don't understand, why can't a homosexual couple enjoy the same privaleges as a straight couple? What have they done that's so bad that they must be discriminated? As long as they're not harming me I really don't care. It's their life and their business, what gives me or you the right to tell them if they can or can't get married?

**** people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives. **** people who think they have a right to take away a privalege that humans have had for centuries. They have a right to happiness and if marriage makes them happy **** you for wanting to deny that right.

These people who believe that homosexuals don't deserve to get married are the same as people in the past who believed blacks were inferior to whites and should be denied certain rights. **** them.

HessenKnight

I find it amusing that Southern Pride and those that are against gay marriage ignore Mr. Geezer's very valid points.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]so you guys want gays to be able to marry because "they have rights to!??"Lockedge

that is true...I dont want them to marry, but it may be for the better..I dont know ..I just don't want Man to Man, Women to Women, It just doesn'tlook right.

Doesn't look right?

I don't think daisies look good planted in front of brick, but my neighbour is allowed to do it anyways.
I don't think fanny packs look right, yet so many wear them.
I don't think mullets look right, but some people ****their hair that way anyways.
I don't think wood-grain paneling on cars looks right, but it', for some reason, sold as an option on some cars.
I don't think it looks right for people to park cars on their lawn and leave their drive-way empty...but it happens.
Shall I go on? It's all trivial. I remember in "American Beauty", the military father and his son are in the car and see the gay couple jogging, and the dad wonders if they have no shame, and the son replies that maybe they don't feel shame in it at all.

They shouldn't. You might not like how it looks, but there are a lot of things that don't look right that should be focused on, such as bars on windows in crime-ridden areas of cities. Broken down local commercial areas due to decades of defeat from big box companies like Walmart. People on the streets from unemployment. Bad education ratings across the school boards.

Doesn't look right? Jeez.

If anyone who thought gay marriage is not right and still thinks so after this post, then we might as well say these things to a brick wall.

I find it amusing that Southern Pride and those that are against gay marriage ignore Mr. Geezer's very valid points.

Rekunta

and they have ignored the_leet_kid's question that he has asked repeatedly too. i'm waiting for a cogent answer from Southern Pride too, but I don't think it'll be coming.

..does that make me a bad person?..

i dont think so..

but before you all go "AHHHH HOMOPHOBE OMG OMG OMG!!!"..let me explain why..

first of all..theres a reason why marriage is between a man & a woman..if 2 dudes or 2 ladies can some how have a kid together..(& i dont mean any of this adoption BS)..then by all means..let them have the same benefits..but last i checked..it is impossible for g@y couples to reproduce.

Another thing..if you legalize g@y marriage..then that would open the door for all sorts of weird fetishes..it would only be a matter of time before people start raising crap about wanting to marry their farm animals..

who wants to debate me?

SouthernPride10

Ha i agree with thread title but your reasoning is pretty bad.

[QUOTE="HessenKnight"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"]

One of the things that piss me off the most in life are douchebags who think it's their right and duty to tell people what they can and can't do based on the fact that "they don't think it's right." or use some bull**** religous rhetoric to back themselves up. I don't understand, why can't a homosexual couple enjoy the same privaleges as a straight couple? What have they done that's so bad that they must be discriminated? As long as they're not harming me I really don't care. It's their life and their business, what gives me or you the right to tell them if they can or can't get married?

**** people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives. **** people who think they have a right to take away a privalege that humans have had for centuries. They have a right to happiness and if marriage makes them happy **** you for wanting to deny that right.

These people who believe that homosexuals don't deserve to get married are the same as people in the past who believed blacks were inferior to whites and should be denied certain rights. **** them.

Self_indulgence

Declaration of Independence.

people of any gender and number can live together in any kind of relationship that makes 'em happy. the state should not recognize any kind of marriage, though. that's really just a religious or personal matter.giton

I agree.

[QUOTE="SouthernPride10"]

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]Also, Southern Pride and CWEB, you still have not adressed the fact that marriage is not about having children.MrBond690

uhh..yes it is..

I think that just killed this argument.

Well of course... you are "southern" :roll:Sim_genius

Haha well pointed out.

Once again religion has to mess **** up for everyone. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't. But just because YOU think that it should only be between a man and a woman, don't impose YOUR crap on OTHER people. If they want to get married and want to adopt or get artificial insemination, what's it to you? Does it affect you in any way? Do you get less sleep at night knowing there are gay people out there who are married or wish to do so? Beileve and think whatever the hell you want, just let other people do the same and don't limit THEIR rights because YOU think it's wrong.

[QUOTE="SouthernPride10"]

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]Also, Southern Pride and CWEB, you still have not adressed the fact that marriage is not about having children.MrBond690

uhh..yes it is..

I think that just killed this argument.

Ya I agree with him but the children part of his argument has nothing to do whether someone should get married.

[QUOTE="SouthernPride10"]

..does that make me a bad person?..

i dont think so..

but before you all go "AHHHH HOMOPHOBE OMG OMG OMG!!!"..let me explain why..

first of all..theres a reason why marriage is between a man & a woman..if 2 dudes or 2 ladies can some how have a kid together..(& i dont mean any of this adoption BS)..then by all means..let them have the same benefits..but last i checked..it is impossible for g@y couples to reproduce.

Another thing..if you legalize g@y marriage..then that would open the door for all sorts of weird fetishes..it would only be a matter of time before people start raising crap about wanting to marry their farm animals..

who wants to debate me?

Matts07

Ha i agree with thread title but your reasoning is pretty bad.

There aren't very many good non-religious arguments against homosexual marriage (or homosexuality in general), but here are a few, just to put them out there:

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of diagnostic disorders. In retrospect, this decision appears to have been inspired by political pressure rather than medical evidence.

Homosexuals of both sexes remain fourteen times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexuals and 3½ times more likely to commit suicide successfully

Study after study shows that male and female homosexuals have much higher rates of interpersonal maladjustment, depression, conduct disorder, childhood abuse (both sexual and violent), domestic violence, alcohol or drug abuse, anxiety, and dependency on psychiatric care than heterosexuals.

Life expectancy of homosexual men was only forty-eight years before the AIDS virus came on the scene, and it is now down to thirty-eight. Only 2 percent of homosexual men live past age sixty-five.

One study in San Francisco showed that 43 percent of male homosexuals had had more than 500 sexual partners (implying that homosexuals are in fact not as sexually satisfied as heteros).

There is little good data on the stability of lesbian relationships, but it is reasonable to speculate that their higher rates of promiscuity and various deep-seated psychological problems would predispose them to long-term relational instability.

In some studies, children raised by homosexual partners seem to suffer from sex-role confusion.

Again, I'm just putting these out there because of the lack of solid non-religious arguments. The most startling one I think is that the average homosexual lives to 38. In my opinion, a lifestyle that cuts expectancy in half is not good.

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Well of course... you are "southern" :roll:GunnerVIII

Haha well pointed out.

that's stereotyping a bit though, don't you think? i'm southern too, but I'm not a close-minded bigot, religious fundamentalist, or racist.

Should inter-religious marriages be allowed?

Should inter-racial marriages be allowed?

Keep in mind that only 200 years ago, most of you would probably be saying "Absolutely not. It's just not right."

"A black man marrying a white woman? Let's lynch him!!"

Anyway, if "it's just not right" is the best argument that you can come up with, then the hell with you. I take delight in knowing that gay marriage WILL eventually be legal in the entire United States. And that you're going to die old and unhappy just because yoiu can't get over the fact that somewhere in the USA, one dude is having sex with another dude and getting the same benefits that you used to get before your wife died of old age.

"It's not that I hate gays. I just don't want them to be equal to me." :roll:

MrGeezer

True, but I have come to believe that's the way society had to evolve, into considering everyone equal, gay people are equals to me, they can have the same jobs as me, study where I study, live and do whatever the feel to; but what I don't like is for them to pretend that they can have more rights than me because they like the same sex, society is about everyone having the same possibilities and rights, what they do with them is their choice; we can't allow a small minority to muscle their way into creating new laws just for them, or to change civil rights for them so they feel like a familiy; in the legal and pollitical way; we are equal and they can't have more rights than me.

Once again religion has to mess **** up for everyone. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't. But just because YOU think that it should only be between a man and a woman, don't impose YOUR crap on OTHER people. If they want to get married and want to adopt or get artificial insemination, what's it to you? Does it affect you in any way? Do you get less sleep at night knowing there are gay people out there who are married or wish to do so? Beileve and think whatever the hell you want, just let other people do the same and don't limit THEIR rights because YOU think it's wrong.

VonDouche

Its not a gay persons right to get married in most states though because if it was wouldnt they already be doing it?