I'm not voting in this election.

There is more to vote the dumpster fire vs. liar liar pants on fire. There have been elections I have only voted on issues and against judges. Plus you can get free beer with I voted stickers:D.

I think I still have the right to complain. I'll still complain even if I do vote.JDWolfie

Then you'll just look like a hypocritical douche if you do complain.

If you're not voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, then you're better off not voting at all. We need more informed voters. If you're not informed on the issues, don't vote. So I applaud you. Vuurk

Exactly. It's your right not to vote, but then don't complain about whichever candidate gets elected.jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]Exactly. It's your right not to vote, but then don't complain about whichever candidate gets elected.MrGeezer

For everyone abstaining from voting because they don't like the candidates, two-party system, or their vote won't matter: I think in 2008, only 57% of eligible voters participated. If there was a higher participation rate, it is actually feasible for a 3rd party candidate to win.dagreenfish

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]For everyone abstaining from voting because they don't like the candidates, two-party system, or their vote won't matter: I think in 2008, only 57% of eligible voters participated. If there was a higher participation rate, it is actually feasible for a 3rd party candidate to win.Sajo7

Vote or die.

Vote for Gary Johnsondave123321

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Vote for Gary Johnsonsexyweapons

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Vote for Gary JohnsonKC_Hokie

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]Exactly. It's your right not to vote, but then don't complain about whichever candidate gets elected.Vuurk

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ron Paul isn't on the ballot in 48 states + DC like Gary Johnson. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"] You can still write it in:Psexyweapons

might right in Slenderman

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sure....roughly 70 people wrote in Santa Claus last election. konvikt_17

might right in Slenderman

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] No, I got it. It's the same old tired cliche that people always say, stuff like, "if more people voted, then we could make a difference."MrGeezer

So you're saying that increased voter participation can't make a change? In some years the turnout has been as low as 49%. If it was a tight race, that means the election could have been decided by 25-26% of total eligible voters. If you don't think that that last 51% of voters can't make a difference, you are either deluding yourself or are really bad at math.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which doesn't necessarily equate to his vote not mattering....MrGeezer

Who is argueing that somebody's vote will influence all other non voters? You keep saying that, but I didn't see anyone try to make the case you're arguing against.

Also, if you don't vote and still complain about the elected official, you're just like the fat girl complaining about not being able to lose weight when she doesn't get off the couch and keeps stuffing oreos and fried chicken in her face. Sure, you can complain, but if you don't make even an attempt at change, you look like a foolish whiner and nobody is going to take you seriously.

It's your right as a citizen to vote. Just vote for a 3rd party libertarian or something.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="dagreenfish"]

So you're saying that increased voter participation can't make a change? In some years the turnout has been as low as 49%. If it was a tight race, that means the election could have been decided by 25-26% of total eligible voters. If you don't think that that last 51% of voters can't make a difference, you are either deluding yourself or are really bad at math.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which doesn't necessarily equate to his vote not mattering....dagreenfish

Who is argueing that somebody's vote will influence all other non voters? You keep saying that, but I didn't see anyone try to make the case you're arguing against.

Also, if you don't vote and still complain about the elected official, you're just like the fat girl complaining about not being able to lose weight when she doesn't get off the couch and keeps stuffing oreos and fried chicken in her face. Sure, you can complain, but if you don't make even an attempt at change, you look like a foolish whiner and nobody is going to take you seriously.

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Wow you are so cool saying that you aren't going to vote. Its funny The Obama Campaign just came out with a great ad about people not voting. 537

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Sure, I'm just saying that it's sort of silly to make an argument based on the percentage of eligible voters who choose to vote or not vote. Those 47% of votes matter, but how much a single vote matters has nothing to do with whether or not those other 47% of people vote. If I don't vote, then 47% of people don't vote. If I do vote, then 47% of people still don't vote. What those other guys do or don't do has nothing to do with you or me or anyone else.MrGeezer

Who is argueing that somebody's vote will influence all other non voters? You keep saying that, but I didn't see anyone try to make the case you're arguing against.

Also, if you don't vote and still complain about the elected official, you're just like the fat girl complaining about not being able to lose weight when she doesn't get off the couch and keeps stuffing oreos and fried chicken in her face. Sure, you can complain, but if you don't make even an attempt at change, you look like a foolish whiner and nobody is going to take you seriously.

Again, I don't see anyone making this point you keep trying to argue against.

Yeah, re-read my first post, that was the point I made. I'd consider 50% of eligible voters (give or take depending on year) to be a significant percentage.

You already agreed that a significant percentage of voters can make a difference. Wanna know what that has to do with one person voting? That significant percentage of voters is made up of a bunch of single individuals(one persons) voting.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Again, I don't see anyone making this point you keep trying to argue against.

Yeah, re-read my first post, that was the point I made. I'd consider 50% of eligible voters (give or take depending on year) to be a significant percentage.

You already agreed that a significant percentage of voters can make a difference. Wanna know what that has to do with one person voting? That significant percentage of voters is made up of a bunch of single individuals(one persons) voting.

dagreenfish

It's your decision.

Yeah... because not voting REALLY sticks it to the man. You guys are such rebels. I wish I was cool enough to not vote.Franklinstein

Yeah... because not voting REALLY sticks it to the man. You guys are such rebels. I wish I was cool enough to not vote.Franklinstein

Are any of you even old enough to vote? If you don't vote then don't complain about the economy or anything else for the next four years.

Meanwhile in Australia I have to vote in my council elections because it's compulsory and I can be fined. You Yanks don't know what suffering is.

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Again, I don't see anyone making this point you keep trying to argue against.

Yeah, re-read my first post, that was the point I made. I'd consider 50% of eligible voters (give or take depending on year) to be a significant percentage.

You already agreed that a significant percentage of voters can make a difference. Wanna know what that has to do with one person voting? That significant percentage of voters is made up of a bunch of single individuals(one persons) voting.

MrGeezer

The point is, all of those non-voters probably share a similar "my vote doesn't matter philosophy", but if they all did in fact vote and change that belief, the election(s) could indeed have a very different outcome.

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Again, I don't see anyone making this point you keep trying to argue against.

Yeah, re-read my first post, that was the point I made. I'd consider 50% of eligible voters (give or take depending on year) to be a significant percentage.

You already agreed that a significant percentage of voters can make a difference. Wanna know what that has to do with one person voting? That significant percentage of voters is made up of a bunch of single individuals(one persons) voting.

MrGeezer

:lol: It's like having a conversation with my thee year old nephew.

All my claims have been general hypotheticals. You keep making stuff up to argue against. I never mentioned or said anything about the TC who you keep bringing up. I never said anything about the TC or anyone else's vote influencing other voters which you've argued against a couple of times. I never said anything about one person being 51% or 1% of total voters or whatever nonsensical arguement you were trying to make back there. It's like one big strawman with you.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Vote for Gary JohnsonChow_Mein_Kampf

Jill Stein all the way to the bank, baby!......................

Are any of you even old enough to vote? If you don't vote then don't complain about the economy or anything else for the next four years.

cukoo

Ha! like our votes really matters anyway.

and yes im old enough to vote, and am gonna do so reluctantly.

ill complain with whatever the fvck i feel like complaining about. nothing you can do about it.

argument is so flawed. "if you dont vote, you cant complain"

its so fvcking easy to say "i voted for X, so i can complain all i want.