I'm so sick of the leftists dominating political terms

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To be fair the left hates the middle class to. Both parties pretty much hate the middle class.

Espada12

I would have to disagree. I once had a problem with the way a federal agency was treating me. I wrote a 6-page letter to the senior Republican on the House Armed Services committee, and he helped me - a lot. He chewed them out, in fact.

I don't mean individually I mean in general. The right's policies don't really do anything too much to the middle class but doesn't really benefit them either. The left however just want to take money from whoever has it to give to the poor like robin hood. Both sides cater to two different extremes and none help the middle tbh.

Gotta agree with you on this one.

As for race and sex, it's leftists exploiting miniorities and women. Leftists believe that ethnic miniorities can't care for themselves, which is why they think they need assistance from the government.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

To be fair the left hates the middle class to. Both parties pretty much hate the middle class.

I would have to disagree. I once had a problem with the way a federal agency was treating me. I wrote a 6-page letter to the senior Republican on the House Armed Services committee, and he helped me - a lot. He chewed them out, in fact.

I don't mean individually I mean in general. The right's policies don't really do anything too much to the middle class but doesn't really benefit them either. The left however just want to take money from whoever has it to give to the poor like robin hood. Both sides cater to two different extremes and none help the middle tbh.

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I would have to disagree. I once had a problem with the way a federal agency was treating me. I wrote a 6-page letter to the senior Republican on the House Armed Services committee, and he helped me - a lot. He chewed them out, in fact.

gaming25

I don't mean individually I mean in general. The right's policies don't really do anything too much to the middle class but doesn't really benefit them either. The left however just want to take money from whoever has it to give to the poor like robin hood. Both sides cater to two different extremes and none help the middle tbh.

Roads, schools and other things benefit the rich just as much as the poor, however when you implement something that won't help the rich (but they have to pay for it) and only helps the poor then you have a robin hood esque action.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't mean individually I mean in general. The right's policies don't really do anything too much to the middle class but doesn't really benefit them either. The left however just want to take money from whoever has it to give to the poor like robin hood. Both sides cater to two different extremes and none help the middle tbh.

Roads, schools and other things benefit the rich just as much as the poor, however when you implement something that won't help the rich (but they have to pay for it) and only helps the poor then you have a robin hood esque action.

That simply isnt correct. Public programs help the poor more by default since rich people have the means to buy alternatives to public things.gaming25

Like alternate roads, electrical lines, water treatment and deliver facilities, and alterante schools to educate the workforce for them right?

Leftists are just as stupid as rightists (at least by the terms' meaning in the United States). The biggest problem with both groups in my opinion stems from their unwillingness to accept anything the other party has to offer and then they say "I wish they didn't exist in the government because I disagree with them!" It's been proven by plenty of political and economic theorists that anything less than two major political factions creates turmoil and misrepresentation, and in some instances the collapse of the state.

Compromise is the key to success in every government situation but it seems very few people on both sides are willing to even think of that as an option.

And don't even get me started on the liberals here on GS. They're some of the most close-minded and least empathetic people...

And don't even get me started on the liberals here on GS. They're some of the most close-minded and least empathetic people...

Saturos3091

No, please, go on.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

To be fair the left hates the middle class to. Both parties pretty much hate the middle class.

Espada12

I would have to disagree. I once had a problem with the way a federal agency was treating me. I wrote a 6-page letter to the senior Republican on the House Armed Services committee, and he helped me - a lot. He chewed them out, in fact.

I don't mean individually I mean in general. The right's policies don't really do anything too much to the middle class but doesn't really benefit them either. The left however just want to take money from whoever has it to give to the poor like robin hood. Both sides cater to two different extremes and none help the middle tbh.

Both sides can adversely effect all sides.. Socially, and economically.. The Middle Class is effected with Republicans wanting to destroy systems like Unemployment which is a safety net for families when they lose their jobs from things laying off.. Furthermore please stop sayign Robin hood.. It shows that you have no clue when it comes to history.. It was a completely system back than in which a man went up against a brutal monarchy that taxed people to starvation.. Neither side should ever be compared to Robin Hood.. A fable that occured in a environment that does not exist in modern day America.. Please crack open a history book and understand there is a difference between fuedalism and the system of today.. And I hate to break to you but are you serious Obama is a moderate president that has sided on republican side numerous things from oil drilling.. As well as compromise on numerous things including Health Care bill and numerous other things.. This isn't saying that the democrats as a bed of roses.. But to suggest that both sides catter to extremes just isn't true.

There is no left in America. Just different shades of right.

GC, I missed you sooooo much.

Both sides can adversely effect all sides.. Socially, and economically.. The Middle Class is effected with Republicans wanting to destroy systems like Unemployment which is a safety net for families when they lose their jobs from things laying off.. Furthermore please stop sayign Robin hood.. It shows that you have no clue when it comes to history.. It was a completely system back than in which a man went up against a brutal monarchy that taxed people to starvation.. Neither side should ever be compared to Robin Hood.. A fable that occured in a environment that does not exist in modern day America.. Please crack open a history book and understand there is a difference between fuedalism and the system of today.. And I hate to break to you but are you serious Obama is a moderate president that has sided on republican side numerous things from oil drilling.. As well as compromise on numerous things including Health Care bill and numerous other things.. This isn't saying that the democrats as a bed of roses.. But to suggest that both sides catter to extremes just isn't true.

sSubZerOo

I'm only comparing them to robin hood in one aspect, I don't need you questioning my knowledge of history because you are looking too much into my statement. Secondly if I recall republicans were only against the constant unemployment extensions, which I will concede does affect the middle class, but it's not your "destroy unemployment" statement. Thirdly you simply defending the left (what a surprise) but at the end of the day both sides simply cater to extremes. I never suggested obama wasn't a moderate however when coming to these compromises on issues ask yourself this, who were the republicans looking out for, and who were the democrats looking out for? Then you will understand.

By the way, many conservatives like Sean Hannity criticize Fred Phelps. I read on Conservapedia that Phelps is a Democrat, but I can't trust anything Conservapedia says, but I've never heard any proof that Phelps is of any particular political persuasion. Also, the problem with abortion is that the government is using taxpayer money of the public, which the majority happen to be pro-life, in order to fund abortion. Hannity had some callers on his show call Planned Parenthood, which is funded, to see if they provided any women services besides abortion and they didn't. I left out the issue of whether an embryo is alive or not on the table, because that's not part of the discussion, but I am pro-life as you know and I think if you can't prove the embryo is or isn't alive, you should operate on the idea that he is, because he very well may be.

In the most elementary sense, an embryo is alive because it's animated matter and it's human because it's the offspring of humans.

Genetic_Code

There is no left in America. Just different shades of right.

Cataclism

Leftists are great as silencing the opposition by pegging them as forceful, racist, sexist, homophobic, or merciless. The Democratic Party is known as the party of compassion, but what they really are is the party of force.

Genetic_Code

I disagree. Though I support their ideological policies more than the Republicans, I think the Democrats have been absolutely hopeless at organising themselves and pushing their interest in the past few years. They're not a party of force simply because you disagree with them. In fact, they seem completely incapable of mounting any sort of combined effort.

Look at how tepidly they passed health care reform, they allowed the Republicans to push massive amounts of FUD (including nonsense like death panels). Look at their complete failure to press the Republicans on their hypocrisy regarding the Bush tax cuts and Paul Ryan's spending plans in terms of healthcare.

Contrast this with the Republican Party. Right or wrong, they're a well oiled machine which knows how to stick to its talking points, to represent itself in the media, and to sway constituents to its point of view. Regardless of their issues, they are the true party of force because they are much more successful at enforcing a vision.

Yeah, you may not like the Democratic Party, or leftists in general, but to call them the party or ideology of force in America is a joke.

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Both sides can adversely effect all sides.. Socially, and economically.. The Middle Class is effected with Republicans wanting to destroy systems like Unemployment which is a safety net for families when they lose their jobs from things laying off.. Furthermore please stop sayign Robin hood.. It shows that you have no clue when it comes to history.. It was a completely system back than in which a man went up against a brutal monarchy that taxed people to starvation.. Neither side should ever be compared to Robin Hood.. A fable that occured in a environment that does not exist in modern day America.. Please crack open a history book and understand there is a difference between fuedalism and the system of today.. And I hate to break to you but are you serious Obama is a moderate president that has sided on republican side numerous things from oil drilling.. As well as compromise on numerous things including Health Care bill and numerous other things.. This isn't saying that the democrats as a bed of roses.. But to suggest that both sides catter to extremes just isn't true.

Espada12

I'm only comparing them to robin hood in one aspect, I don't need you questioning my knowledge of history because you are looking too much into my statement. Secondly if I recall republicans were only against the constant unemployment extensions, which I will concede does affect the middle class, but it's not your "destroy unemployment" statement. Thirdly you simply defending the left (what a surprise) but at the end of the day both sides simply cater to extremes. I never suggested obama wasn't a moderate however when coming to these compromises on issues ask yourself this, who were the republicans looking out for, and who were the democrats looking out for? Then you will understand.

One aspect? Its either Robin Hood or its not.. SO STOP USING THAT COMPARISON.. Its disengious and makes it out that you don't have a clue about history what so ever.. The Steal from the rich give to the poor was in fact steal from the king and give back to the people.. If anything we could turn it into a liberatarian story in which a man stood up against a brutal government that taxed their people to starvation. So I say again, STOP using that story or be questioned about your grasp of history and politics on every argument. Furthermore both sides have to catter to the middle sooner or later, there is not enough base to win a election.. Furthermore this is a candidate based system, the only base that is being threatened is the Republicans at the moment in which Ryan's budget is being attacked on all sides by the independents that once supported the right.. This is nothing new, its a tight rope balance that both sides must walk on.

There is no left in America. Just different shades of right.

Cataclism

Oh, and by the way, there are no government funded abortions. You should probably get your facts straight before b****ing about something.

worlock77

"Jesus was not exceptionally bright"

Did I just see a Christian say that?

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Oh, and by the way, there are no government funded abortions. You should probably get your facts straight before b****ing about something.

whipassmt

Planned Parenthood's funding of Abortion equals to 3% of their overall budget.

as one of my favorite bumper stickers says: Im a republican because not everyone can be on welfare

:)

as one of my favorite bumper stickers says: Im a republican because not everyone can be on welfare

:)

GameJunkie13901

How about corporate welfare?

"Jesus was not exceptionally bright"

Did I just see a Christian say that?

Chutebox

you just saw a troll says that...

Honestly you could have had me if you focused on welfare and healthcare. But anybody who argues against abortion automatically fails in my book.

One aspect? Its either Robin Hood or its not.. SO STOP USING THAT COMPARISON.. Its disengious and makes it out that you don't have a clue about history what so ever.. The Steal from the rich give to the poor was in fact steal from the king and give back to the people.. If anything we could turn it into a liberatarian story in which a man stood up against a brutal government that taxed their people to starvation. So I say again, STOP using that story or be questioned about your grasp of history and politics on every argument. Furthermore both sides have to catter to the middle sooner or later, there is not enough base to win a election.. Furthermore this is a candidate based system, the only base that is being threatened is the Republicans at the moment in which Ryan's budget is being attacked on all sides by the independents that once supported the right.. This is nothing new, its a tight rope balance that both sides must walk on.

sSubZerOo

Are you mad or something?

And don't even get me started on the liberals here on GS. They're some of the most close-minded and least empathetic people...

Saturos3091

Go on. Don't be shy.

Oh, Genetic_Code, how I have missed you. :)

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Oh, and by the way, there are no government funded abortions. You should probably get your facts straight before b****ing about something.

sSubZerOo

Planned Parenthood's funding of Abortion equals to 3% of their overall budget.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Actually there are. There are some restrictions on federal funding of abortion by Medicaid and other programs. However some states (California, NY, Connecticut and others) do indeed fund them.

whipassmt

Planned Parenthood's funding of Abortion equals to 3% of their overall budget.

And the main form of that is through planned parenthood.

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One aspect? Its either Robin Hood or its not.. SO STOP USING THAT COMPARISON.. Its disengious and makes it out that you don't have a clue about history what so ever.. The Steal from the rich give to the poor was in fact steal from the king and give back to the people.. If anything we could turn it into a liberatarian story in which a man stood up against a brutal government that taxed their people to starvation. So I say again, STOP using that story or be questioned about your grasp of history and politics on every argument. Furthermore both sides have to catter to the middle sooner or later, there is not enough base to win a election.. Furthermore this is a candidate based system, the only base that is being threatened is the Republicans at the moment in which Ryan's budget is being attacked on all sides by the independents that once supported the right.. This is nothing new, its a tight rope balance that both sides must walk on.

Espada12

Are you mad or something?

Not at all just annoyed when people use pointless political one liners that don't even make any since what so ever.. Stop using Robin Hood as a metaphor for either party has been doing.. Its disingenious and just flat out wrong.

Honestly you could have had me if you focused on welfare and healthcare. But anybody who argues against abortion automatically fails in my book.

deangallop

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Honestly you could have had me if you focused on welfare and healthcare. But anybody who argues against abortion automatically fails in my book.

alexside1

Let me hear your arugement.

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Honestly you could have had me if you focused on welfare and healthcare. But anybody who argues against abortion automatically fails in my book.

DroidPhysX

Let me hear your arugement.

The Democratic Party had a total of 10 years in the White House in the past 31 years. They are very dominating indeed.DroidPhysX

You might well have some great points in there, but nobody's going to admit that because you've just managed, somehow, to piss off Christians, atheists, "leftists", mods and women. And I imagine you've probably just divided whoever's left. Weirdly enough, that could well make you OT's strongest uniting force. Congrats.jimmyjammer69

as one of my favorite bumper stickers says: Im a republican because not everyone can be on welfare

:)

GameJunkie13901

To make my point a bit clearer, i'd bet there are more welfare cases in the red leaning states than the typically well off blue states.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

One aspect? Its either Robin Hood or its not.. SO STOP USING THAT COMPARISON.. Its disengious and makes it out that you don't have a clue about history what so ever.. The Steal from the rich give to the poor was in fact steal from the king and give back to the people.. If anything we could turn it into a liberatarian story in which a man stood up against a brutal government that taxed their people to starvation. So I say again, STOP using that story or be questioned about your grasp of history and politics on every argument. Furthermore both sides have to catter to the middle sooner or later, there is not enough base to win a election.. Furthermore this is a candidate based system, the only base that is being threatened is the Republicans at the moment in which Ryan's budget is being attacked on all sides by the independents that once supported the right.. This is nothing new, its a tight rope balance that both sides must walk on.

sSubZerOo

Are you mad or something?

Not at all just annoyed when people use pointless political one liners that don't even make any since what so ever.. Stop using Robin Hood as a metaphor for either party has been doing.. Its disingenious and just flat out wrong.

If you want to look that much into that's your problem dude.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Are you mad or something?

Espada12

Not at all just annoyed when people use pointless political one liners that don't even make any since what so ever.. Stop using Robin Hood as a metaphor for either party has been doing.. Its disingenious and just flat out wrong.

If you want to look that much into that's your problem dude.

:| That makes alot of sense.. You make a metaphor to try to demonize one of the political parties, a metaphor that doesn't even make sense to begin with.. And your response is that I am looking too much into it.

"Jesus was not exceptionally bright"

Did I just see a Christian say that?

Chutebox

EDIT: Even if I was a Christian, I wouldn't disagree with what I originally said, because Jesus's purpose was not to be intellectually gifted, but to teach others that they must give selflessly to others. Also, Jesus took simple terminology of that time to make it easier for the people to understand. He was simple. His ideas weren't meant to be logical, even from a biblical perspective.