In some countries they cut off your hands for stealing

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#101 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Well, once we start saying that laws should not be there to curb public moral outcry - then I start questioning the validity of laws that exist due to public moral outcry.Sajedene

By all means do. Law should be questioned and examined. And if they do actually have sound reasoning behind them, then it's just good luck that they were instituted because of moral outrage.

Oh of course. I get that. My point was that laws exist due to moral outcry so why say it is there to curb it? The only reason why we dont chop someone's hands off for stealing is because as shown by this thread - popular majority finds it "barbaric".

But moral outcry can be hugely harmful; it has a tendency to lead to retribution for the sake of retribution, whereas taking a balanced view on things leads to retribution for the sake of deterrence and rehabilitation, which is preferable.
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#102 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"] That's my point. I am all for social outcry since a lot of our laws, if not all were created due to social outcry. "We The People", right? Heck, social outcry got the U.S. its declaration of independence. Sajedene

What?

But social outcry sometimes is not leading to something right or sane.

Then social outcry will correct it later on. That's just how it works.

If we know now that social outcry in a specific case leads to something wrong, why wait till later?

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#103 Sajedene
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Wings_008"]if a teen stole let's say a Green Day disk, does he deserve to get his hand cut and his life ruined this punishment is so barbaric and medieval tocool340
Let me ask you this: How likely will a Teen risk it to steal a Green Day disk knowing that the potential cost of stealing that CD is the loss of a hand? (And I say potential because hey, if he is good he gets away with it. High Risk High Reward)

And what if some store clerk potentially lies about the kid stealing a CD? That KID will suffer greatly since he has no choice but to live his long journey of life with just one hand. And that seems a bit extreme.....

Burden of proof will fall on that store clerk. And if a society is going to pass such a law as chopping someone's hands off - then I can only a harsher punishment for someone who attempts to work around the law.
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[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Let me ask you this: How likely will a Teen risk it to steal a Green Day disk knowing that the potential cost of stealing that CD is the loss of a hand? (And I say potential because hey, if he is good he gets away with it. High Risk High Reward)Sajedene
And what if some store clerk potentially lies about the kid stealing a CD? That KID will suffer greatly since he has no choice but to live his long journey of life with just one hand. And that seems a bit extreme.....

Burden of proof will fall on that store clerk. And if a society is going to pass such a law as chopping someone's hands off - then I can only a harsher punishment for someone who attempts to work around the law.

The clerk could have some scheme plotted out to where he could actually make it happen. Even if the kid gets retribution for what the store clerk did, he still won't have a hand, thus making it a waste. Killing the clerk will not help the kid grow another hand....

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#105 LJS9502_basic
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The clerk could have some scheme plotted out to where he could actually make it happen. Even if the kid gets retribution for what the store clerk did, he still won't have a hand, thus making it a waste. Killing the clerk will not help the kid grow another hand....

tocool340

Exactly what is the clerk's motivation?

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[QUOTE="tocool340"]

The clerk could have some scheme plotted out to where he could actually make it happen. Even if the kid gets retribution for what the store clerk did, he still won't have a hand, thus making it a waste. Killing the clerk will not help the kid grow another hand....

LJS9502_basic

Exactly what is the clerk's motivation?

Maybe the kid pissed him off. The kid be going out with his 14 year old daughter and he don't like the idea. There can be many scenarios or reasons to why the clerk wants to commit such a act. I just don't think the crime should result in a lost of a limb. It's irreplaceable once it's detached.....
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#107 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

The clerk could have some scheme plotted out to where he could actually make it happen. Even if the kid gets retribution for what the store clerk did, he still won't have a hand, thus making it a waste. Killing the clerk will not help the kid grow another hand....

tocool340

Exactly what is the clerk's motivation?

Maybe the kid pissed him off. The kid be going out with his 14 year old daughter and he don't like the idea. There can be many scenarios or reasons to why the clerk wants to commit such a act. I just don't think the crime should result in a lost of a limb. It's irreplaceable once it's detached.....

Different countries have different laws. Nothing you can do about it....

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#108 Wings_008
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it's called temptation, a very powerful force
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#109 LJS9502_basic
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it's called temptation, a very powerful forceWings_008
Ah but a truly "good" person...your word....doesn't cave it to temptation as it would be against their moral code to steal.

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#110 JustusCF
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What do you say to this punishment? do you support it? I don't care, and I don't support it..

I have another question.......

Should the US start doing this too? No, goes against the us constitution (cruel and unusual punishment).

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[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Exactly what is the clerk's motivation?

LJS9502_basic

Maybe the kid pissed him off. The kid be going out with his 14 year old daughter and he don't like the idea. There can be many scenarios or reasons to why the clerk wants to commit such a act. I just don't think the crime should result in a lost of a limb. It's irreplaceable once it's detached.....

Different countries have different laws. Nothing you can do about it....

Hmm....I thought Sajedene was talking about it being a good thing if laws like that exist in America, or anywhere for that matter. I'm well aware that it's a custom to few countries/cities. I just think those laws should remain in those countries, that's all.....
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#112 LJS9502_basic
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Hmm....I thought Sajedene was talking about it being a good thing if laws like that exist in America, or anywhere for that matter. I'm well aware that it's a custom to few countries/cities. I just think those laws should remain in those countries, that's all.....tocool340
Well I'm not advocating their use.....

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#113 Wings_008
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[QUOTE="Wings_008"]it's called temptation, a very powerful forceLJS9502_basic

Ah but a truly "good" person...your word....doesn't cave it to temptation as it would be against their moral code to steal.

so you mean if a kid stole something, he deserves the punishment anyway
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#114 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Wings_008"]it's called temptation, a very powerful forceWings_008

Ah but a truly "good" person...your word....doesn't cave it to temptation as it would be against their moral code to steal.

so you mean if a kid stole something, he deserves the punishment anyway

Yes he deserves punishment for theft. Would you be okay will random kids stealing from you without recourse?

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[QUOTE="Wings_008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah but a truly "good" person...your word....doesn't cave it to temptation as it would be against their moral code to steal.

LJS9502_basic

so you mean if a kid stole something, he deserves the punishment anyway

Yes he deserves punishment for theft. Would you be okay will random kids stealing from you without recourse?

I wouldn't want to have his hand cut off. I'm mean, he's only a kid and probably don't know any better. A kid shouldn't have to go through such punishment. However, if he was at least 25+, then I wouldn't probably care at that point because they knew fully aware of what they were doing.....
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#116 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Wings_008"] so you mean if a kid stole something, he deserves the punishment anyway tocool340

Yes he deserves punishment for theft. Would you be okay will random kids stealing from you without recourse?

I wouldn't want to have his hand cut off. I'm mean, he's only a kid and probably don't know any better. A kid shouldn't have to go through such punishment. However, if he was at least 25+, then I wouldn't probably care at that point because they knew fully aware of what they were doing.....

1....I said punishment...not mutilation. In the US we don't cut hands off. 2...if the kid knew he'd lose a hand...he might not steal to start with. I'd not risk it....would you?

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OMg That sounds crazy~~~~~~~!
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[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes he deserves punishment for theft. Would you be okay will random kids stealing from you without recourse?

LJS9502_basic

I wouldn't want to have his hand cut off. I'm mean, he's only a kid and probably don't know any better. A kid shouldn't have to go through such punishment. However, if he was at least 25+, then I wouldn't probably care at that point because they knew fully aware of what they were doing.....

1....I said punishment...not mutilation. In the US we don't cut hands off. 2...if the kid knew he'd lose a hand...he might not steal to start with. I'd not risk it....would you?

Again, I knew what you were referring to at the beginning of your post. And I'm well aware that America doesn't have that law because it would be going against it's constitution. However, some kids still don't know any better. Rebellious is part of their nature and they will of course try to do crazy things, even if they were well aware of the outcome. Peer pressure is also a strong suit for being reckless. With that being said, kids will be kids. I don't see a need to be so harsh on them. Maybe to really clear up what I'm saying, would you support that law if it was legalized everywhere?.....
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#119 -GeordiLaForge-
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A rule like this in the US should lead to revolution. In no situation should a kids', or ANYONES', hands be cut off for stealing. Let someone try and cut my hands off and see what happens...
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#120 munu9
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Completely barbaric and unnecessary. The value of having a hand is almost immeasurable compared to the value of what you stole. I'd rather spend 5 years in jail than get my hand cut off. (which is probably more you'd get for theft anywhere in the USA) (assuming this is theft of some material possession)
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#121 -GeordiLaForge-
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A rule like this in the US would, or atleast should, lead to revolution. In no situation should a kids', or ANYONES', hands be cut off for stealing. Let someone try and cut off my hands and see what happens...-GeordiLaForge-
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#122 Neversoft_Corp
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="Citrus25"]

What do you say to this punishment? do you support it?

I have another question.......

Should the US start doing this too?

,,,No. And the U.S should never implement such a harsh rule. It's insane to cut someone's hands for stealing.

What punishment would you recommend for a man who rapes a 5 year old girl?

I say the girl rapes him back... that'll show him!
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What if you commit adultery?