In your opinion, what does Germany and Japanhave to do to pay for ww1 and ww2

On topic btw,

My great grand father was part of the Sandakan death march of 1945 that was carried out by the Japanese, in which they forcefully marched over 6000 prisoners that were sick,starving and near death straight to their deaths, litereally.

Of the Death march only 6 F#^^#& 6 survivors,

And those survivors were the only 6 who escaped the rest were just marched to their deaths by the sickining, heartless japanese soldiers.

Ok i'm usually some1 that sees somethings as what happens in war but in this case EVERY SINGLE JAPANESE SOLDIER THAT WAS PART OF THAT DESERVED TO DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH.

I could really go for a turkey sandwich.

In my opinion It should be what should the US do for Japan to pay them back for the Pacific war

EVERY SINGLE JAPANESE SOLDIER THAT WAS PART OF THAT DESERVED TO DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH.sonofsmeagle

(stupidity + ignorance) x 105 = oh dear...

In defense of the Japanesse people, they were provoked to go to war... all exports to Japan were banned including oil, plus the US were lookin for an opportunity to go to war and they made all the right moves..

They have to do absolutely nothing.

Learn from it, so the world doesn't ever have to go through something like that again.

Germany has done a pretty excellent job IMO. Japan could sometimes do better, you still hear of instances where they want to gloss over some of the nastier aspects of their behaviour in their educational curriculum. But overall, they've turned a new leaf since 1945, and have become a force for good and stability in the international community.

When you celebrate a national identity, you have to own both your achievements and your failings. You shouldn't cherry pick the nice moments and forget the nasty ones.

They should pay nothing. They had different leaders 60+ years ago. Its not the same country. If thats the case, what should the U.S. have to do to pay for what they did to native americans?

DroidPhysX

Don't you mean the Spanish? They killed 99% of them before the US even existed.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Elaborate please.airshocker

We nuked Japan, twice. They didn't commit war crimes against the world. The Nazis did.

When every Nazi who served in WW2 is dead, the Germans have the right to be left alone.

Rofl, they didn't commit War Crimes? I'm sure the 20 million chinese they massacred would disagree with you. As well as the other millions they killed during their conquest of Asia.

The Japanese killed more civilians then the Nazis did.

I don't know. What will the US going to do to pay for what they did to Afghanistan and Iraq?kuraimen

Rofl, they didn't commit War Crimes? I'm sure the 20 million chinese they massacred would disagree with you. As well as the other millions they killed during their conquest of Asia.

The Japanese killed more civilians then the Nazis did.

Tangmashi

It would be wise to read past someone's first post when several pages have gone by.

In my opinion It should be what should the US do for Japan to pay them back for the Pacific war

Hanzoadam

Wrong answer. That was WAR, and dropping the atomic bombs, however horrifying, was the right decision in that circumstance.

And even if you think your statement is still true, the U.S. paid back EVERYTHING by rebuilding Japan completely, protecting Japan militarily in the future (allowing Japan's economy to thrive), and as you can see from the latest earthquake/tsunami, provides the most aid to Japan in natural disasters.

However, I think the Japanese owe the Chinese and Americans an apology for Unit 731 and the unpardonable atrocities committed there.

I don't know. What will the US going to do to pay for what they did to Afghanistan and Iraq?kuraimen

You mean ousting the oppressive regimes and allowing the people to have a real life?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I don't know. What will the US going to do to pay for what they did to Afghanistan and Iraq?AFBrat77

You mean ousting the oppressive regimes and allowing the people to have a real life?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I don't know. What will the US going to do to pay for what they did to Afghanistan and Iraq?Danm_999

You mean ousting the oppressive regimes and allowing the people to have a real life?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Elaborate please.airshocker

We nuked Japan, twice. They didn't commit war crimes against the world. The Nazis did.

When every Nazi who served in WW2 is dead, the Germans have the right to be left alone.

Why should Germany and Japan pay for something their Grandparents did? World War 2 was a long time ago, and Germany and Japan weren't the only countries to commit war crimes.

I could really go for a turkey sandwich.

ExGabu

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Elaborate please.Hanzoadam

We nuked Japan, twice. They didn't commit war crimes against the world. The Nazis did.

When every Nazi who served in WW2 is dead, the Germans have the right to be left alone.

Americans had no right to be where? Hawaii, it was US territory, we already werethere for over 50 years. Japan had conquered Korea and Manchuria, are they less guilty? I think your anti-americanism is getting the better of your common sense, perhaps deceny, if not then your integrity.

First of all. The japanese were the aggressors, they're the ones who already took taiwan and manchuria from china. They're the ones who conquered the korean people against their will and forced them to learn japanese. The americans were more supportive of the japanese than the chinese in the beginning of 1930, but the aggressive and atrocious actions of the japanese against the chinese people compounded outrage in the US.

It was the Rape of Nanking in 1937 by the Empire of Japan that turned public opinion against the japanese. The japanese killed over 300,000 civilians, buried people alive, raped women, killed their children, held beheading competitions. This was not a nation fearful for it's safety. This was nation hellbent on extermination and conquest, no different than the nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking

The fault does not lie with the US as you misguidedly believe. No, it was Japan that was at fault. It does not take a historical scholar to determine that because people already knew who was at fault when it happened.

At that time, not now. Would a massacre of German people be suffice? Would splitting Germany up and claiming the land as other countries be good? Would making it a slave and bankrupt the economy be the way to go?

Not including the stuff they already had to do

about Japan, was the 2 nukes more than enough for Japan's deeds during ww2?

My opinion about Japan, the 2 nukes were necessary to END a war to save more innocent people (you can kind of tell that it was not overkill that Japan did not surrender when the first nuke landed) It saved many American lives and money, perhaps Japanese people if we had to do a full invasion. In fact, the 2 nukes are not actually the punishments to Japan, it was only to end the war, a nuke after the war would be a punishment. And of course, they started the war, self defense is acceptable

In fact, what should any country pay as a concequence for losing a war they started

RubiksCubeReven

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At that time, not now. Would a massacre of German people be suffice? Would splitting Germany up and claiming the land as other countries be good? Would making it a slave and bankrupt the economy be the way to go?

Not including the stuff they already had to do

about Japan, was the 2 nukes more than enough for Japan's deeds during ww2?

My opinion about Japan, the 2 nukes were necessary to END a war to save more innocent people (you can kind of tell that it was not overkill that Japan did not surrender when the first nuke landed) It saved many American lives and money, perhaps Japanese people if we had to do a full invasion. In fact, the 2 nukes are not actually the punishments to Japan, it was only to end the war, a nuke after the war would be a punishment. And of course, they started the war, self defense is acceptable

In fact, what should any country pay as a concequence for losing a war they started

Hexagon_777

I'm sure the halocaust can be justified better than that. I'll give you an E for effort though.

War is a bad thing, bad things happen and nobody in war is really the good or bad guy. Soldiers are their to defend and fight for their country, their families and the people they love. Japan thought what they were doing was just, Germany thought what they were doing was just and America thinks what it's doing is just. We all have different views and opinions on who's right and who's wrong and I can guarentee you that there are soldiers on both sides who do very bad things.

Japan doesn't have to "pay" for world war 1 or world war 2. It's in the past, it's history and it's time to move and stop dwelling on things that will only bring the world down.

In defense of the Japanesse people, they were provoked to go to war... all exports to Japan were banned including oil, plus the US were lookin for an opportunity to go to war and they made all the right moves..

morbid_warrior

Provoked? They invaded northeast China in 1931, full-scale war of aggression against China in 1937. Pearl Harbor was in 1941. They've been at war with the Chinese for 10 years before Pearl Harbor.

Germany finished paying for WW2 a few years ago. They had to pay a huge sum of money to the allies and finished paying it not that long ago

[QUOTE="Tangmashi"]

Rofl, they didn't commit War Crimes? I'm sure the 20 million chinese they massacred would disagree with you. As well as the other millions they killed during their conquest of Asia.

The Japanese killed more civilians then the Nazis did.

airshocker

It would be wise to read past someone's first post when several pages have gone by.

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Why don't you Wikipedia "Unit 731" and prepare to facepalm at your own comment.

airshocker

Why would I facepalm? Are you 12? I like learning new things. Still doesn't compare to what the Nazis did.

Actually, they commited atrocities that easily rival those of the Nazis. Please look into the Rape of Nanking and the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Also look into science experiments conducted on Chinese citizens.

It's astonishing to me that people could be ignorant of these atrocities today, astonishing and terrible.

Cmon they already got what they deserved. "about Japan, was the 2 nukes more than enough for Japan's deeds during ww2?" You think a city that still has levels of radiation on its population isnt enough?darkmask1991

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[QUOTE="RubiksCubeReven"]

At that time, not now. Would a massacre of German people be suffice? Would splitting Germany up and claiming the land as other countries be good? Would making it a slave and bankrupt the economy be the way to go?

Not including the stuff they already had to do

about Japan, was the 2 nukes more than enough for Japan's deeds during ww2?

My opinion about Japan, the 2 nukes were necessary to END a war to save more innocent people (you can kind of tell that it was not overkill that Japan did not surrender when the first nuke landed) It saved many American lives and money, perhaps Japanese people if we had to do a full invasion. In fact, the 2 nukes are not actually the punishments to Japan, it was only to end the war, a nuke after the war would be a punishment. And of course, they started the war, self defense is acceptable

In fact, what should any country pay as a concequence for losing a war they started

Tangmashi

I'm sure the halocaust can be justified better than that. I'll give you an E for effort though.

Not sure I follow the logic of your post. He isn't saying anything about Hitler or Germany's actionsin WWII at all, let alone justifying anything. He is simply pointing out that the Versailles Treaty helped create the conditions that allowed a monster like Hitler to come to power in the first place. Not sure why you are attempting to twist this historical fact into something more than what was presented.

On topic, WWII ended with Unconditional Surrender which is the ultimate payment that can be had among nations.

They already have.

It's over, forgive and forget.

[QUOTE="ExGabu"]

I could really go for a turkey sandwich.

NotExGabu

:lol: Vraiment?

Nothing. The soldiers were only following orders. I have a feeling many will disagree, but there's no point in me defending this point.metallica_fan42

I agree, I don't understand the thinking of the guy on the first page who said all of the people who served the Nazis need to die. Aslo a side note, the Germans just finished paying off reparations for WORLD WAR I on October 4th, 2010.

I already said at that time, not now, what should they have done in 1946 and blah blah blah

How about this point, were the 2 nukes neccessary and therefore is enough damage / punishment or it was unneccessary

Nothing. History is history and it should stay that way.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Elaborate please.airshocker

We nuked Japan, twice. They didn't commit war crimes against the world. The Nazis did.

When every Nazi who served in WW2 is dead, the Germans have the right to be left alone.

No one should have to pay for something their ancestors did.

That was a long time ago, people need to learn to move on. We don't owe anybody and nobody has anything to pay for something.

still again, misunderstood by question, AT THAT TIME, what should they have done that they haven't done, such as paying more money and such