Intelligence

Here we can discuss on intelligence, intelligence quotient (IQ), IQ tests, IQ societies, etc.

Let me give some reasons for introducing this important topic. Some people think that they are stupid, and they are not. Also, bright person could be interested in how bright he/she is. This can be useful when looking for a job, for instance.

Because I am limited with only one external link, I decided to present World Intelligence Network, a non-profit organization which gather 29 IQ societies.

Is anybody interested in IQ stuff?

imma philistine

I think one IQ test shouldn't be a measurement for intelligence. You can score 120, but at a other IQ test (there are more) you can score just like 70 pts.

If you talk to somebody you get your own point of view of him - if he's intelligent or not.

Bright person be interested in discuss on intelligence.

Bright person be interested in discuss on intelligence.

Oleg_Huzwog

Overated, being androgenous and autotuning your voice is the easiest way to money and fame nowadays

I thinks that itelorgence acually is waht makes people more dumber these days.

I'd say being intelligent is knowing a lot of facts and how to apply them in the right situations, while being wise is knowing how, when and where to act in a certain way. Someone can be very intelligent, but not wise. (I know someone like that. He has excellent grades and knows alot of stuff but damn he does some dumb things.) And vice versa.

I can't even spell EQ!

Overated, being androgenous and autotuning your voice is the easiest way to money and fame nowadays

Hakarie

I thinks that itelorgence acually is waht makes people more dumber these days.

LieutenantFeist

I think one IQ test shouldn't be a measurement for intelligence. You can score 120, but at a other IQ test (there are more) you can score just like 70 pts.

If you talk to somebody you get your own point of view of him - if he's intelligent or not.

DasBeerBoot

I partially agree. First, I do not like timed tests. Somebody can't express all his/her abilities in 30-40 minutes. There are high range IQ tests with no time limitation. They were born together with internet, becoming more popular from day to day.

Second, there are various mental abilities: spatial, numerical, verbal, etc. Somebody can be good with spatial items, and less good with verbal ones, or vice versa.

I'd say being intelligent is knowing a lot of facts and how to apply them in the right situations, while being wise is knowing how, when and where to act in a certain way. Someone can be very intelligent, but not wise. (I know someone like that. He has excellent grades and knows alot of stuff but damn he does some dumb things.) And vice versa.

turtlethetaffer

Well, yes. Intelligence is only one parameter of somebody's personality.

Also, I think that it's not important to be very intelligent, more important is to be aware of your abilities, no matter how big/small they are.

I'm under the impression that smart people get whatever they want in life and that people who aren't smart get to forage for scraps.

I'm under the impression that smart people get whatever they want in life and that people who aren't smart get to forage for scraps.

UniverseIX

Interesting! I found that people who aren't smart get whatever they want, and that intelligent people get to forage for scraps.

I'm also foraging for scraps, but I do not doubt in my intelligence. I would like to find more self-respecting people.

If we are not successful, we are not stupid. This is one of the purpose of this topic too.

I remember reading somewhere that you are likely your smartest during late adolesence to early twenties. By that I mean your potential is the highest. Obviously you gain more knowledge as you go through life, but in terms of the power of your brain/reasoning, it is highest during that time.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Overated, being androgenous and autotuning your voice is the easiest way to money and fame nowadays

22Toothpicks

You heard me :evil:

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Overated, being androgenous and autotuning your voice is the easiest way to money and fame nowadays

Hakarie

You heard me :evil:

I remember reading somewhere that you are likely your smartest during late adolesence to early twenties. By that I mean your potential is the highest. Obviously you gain more knowledge as you go through life, but in terms of the power of your brain/reasoning, it is highest during that time.

sonicare

I believe that, but if you are using your mind you can be very clever in the old days too.

With no big difference compared to the youth, in my opinion.

I'm 35. Maybe I can't do things which I could in twenties, but also I now can things which I couldn't then.

intelligent people get to forage for scraps.

kremenko2

The IQ is a measurement of a kind of mentality that benefits the western culture and its derivatives. Scientists like Jared Diamond have said that they consider some people in some hunter-gatherer societies he has spent many time with to be more intelligent than the average western city-dweller even though they would probably score lousy in an IQ test. So I don't think it really measures intelligence but rather how well you are adapted and how productive can you be for a western-style culture and some of the types of thought processes which that task requires.kuraimen

Spatial and numerical tests are mainly culture-free, good verbal tests could also be pretty culture-free.

Some basic knowledge is indeed needed.

For someone outside civilization, I don't know, but new suitable test could be appropriate.

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

I'm under the impression that smart people get whatever they want in life and that people who aren't smart get to forage for scraps.

kremenko2

Interesting! I found that people who aren't smart get whatever they want, and that intelligent people get to forage for scraps.

I'm also foraging for scraps, but I do not doubt in my intelligence. I would like to find more self-respecting people.

If we are not successful, we are not stupid. This is one of the purpose of this topic too.

[QUOTE="kremenko2"]

intelligent people get to forage for scraps.

xaos

Well, success is connected with whole personality and with working environment.

Intelligence is sometimes simply not enough, and I believe we are not even aware in which extent this is true.

then how do you explain the disparity between the wealthy people and the non wealthy people? obviously wealthy people have to be intelligent enough to know how to manipulate the rest of the population in order to sustain their wealth. smart people can't be poor.

Simply, average IQ is 100. Maybe the average IQ of wealthy people is 110-120. But there are people with IQ 160-170. And they are not all wealthy.

Simply because they are not manipulators.

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"] then how do you explain the disparity between the wealthy people and the non wealthy people? obviously wealthy people have to be intelligent enough to know how to manipulate the rest of the population in order to sustain their wealth. smart people can't be poor.kremenko2

Simply, average IQ is 100. Maybe the average IQ of wealthy people is 110-120. But there are people with IQ 160-170. And they are not all wealthy.

Simply because they are not manipulators.

IQ test doesn't do anything other than estimate a persons intellectual potential assuming they use their intellect to it's full potential. In theory they should learn more and learn faster, but it's a loosetheory. The world is full of brilliant but lazy people. These people are full of potential but they don't care. I.Q doesn't determine a person's forte anyway.

I think that IQ tests are a halfway decent way of rating intelligence. My idea of ultimate intelligence is more based around someone's ability to come to the correct conclusion with the fewest facts beforehand. I think that intelligence is deductive capacity more than anything. It shows how your mind puts things together.

IQ test doesn't do anything other than estimate a persons intellectual potential assuming they use their intellect to it's full potential. In theory they should learn more and learn faster, but it's a loosetheory. The world is full of brilliant but lazy people. These people are full of potential but they don't care. I.Q doesn't determine a person's forte anyway.

MagnumPI

We are close to the truth here. IQ should be a good measure, but after careful dealing with other factors such as laziness.

Why intelligence doesnt matter: Its not applied 90% of the time.

Why intelligence doesnt matter: Its not applied 90% of the time.

edinsftw

Well, we could also say:

Why good doesn't matter: it's not applied 90% of the time.

And we can't agree with that. Without good there is no happiness. And we want to be happy.

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

Why intelligence doesnt matter: Its not applied 90% of the time.

kremenko2

Well, we could also say:

Why good doesn't matter: it's not applied 90% of the time.

And we can't agree with that. Without good there is no happiness. And we want to be happy.

Intelligence and good are completely different.

Good is a philosophical question as it is based on morals and morals are different from person to person.

Apply your intelligence before you respond.

Intelligence and good are completely different.

Good is a philosophical question as it is based on morals and morals are different from person to person.

Apply your intelligence before you respond.

edinsftw

I think that I understand what you are pointing out. 90% of people have money as only moral and intelligence in front of them.

But I shall be happy to reach those 10%.

No new interest?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Bright person be interested in discuss on intelligence.

comp_atkins

I'd love to take a quick IQ test online but all of them are ****.

[QUOTE="kremenko2"]

intelligent people get to forage for scraps.

xaos

also diogenes was a bum, a filthy flee infested bum.

i totally get the puzzles in the noesis journal np

[QUOTE="kremenko2"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

Why intelligence doesnt matter: Its not applied 90% of the time.

edinsftw

Well, we could also say:

Why good doesn't matter: it's not applied 90% of the time.

And we can't agree with that. Without good there is no happiness. And we want to be happy.

Intelligence and good are completely different.

Good is a philosophical question as it is based on morals and morals are different from person to person.

Apply your intelligence before you respond.

Intelligence is just as subjective as morals are. Maybe you should apply your intelligence.

Intelligence is a fairly loose term. IQ is a means to test certain componants of a particular definition of intelligence, altthough even then results are swayed by factors such as sex, race, etc.

Intelligence is just as subjective as morals are. Maybe you should apply your intelligence.

ROFLCOPTER603

Well, not for persons with firm attitudes...

I'd say being intelligent is knowing a lot of facts and how to apply them in the right situations, while being wise is knowing how, when and where to act in a certain way. Someone can be very intelligent, but not wise. (I know someone like that. He has excellent grades and knows alot of stuff but damn he does some dumb things.) And vice versa.

turtlethetaffer

That's also common sense which is a.k.a. street smarts as part of it. Most younger people have little of this and gain it as they age, while they can have high intelligence though the entire time.

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

[QUOTE="kremenko2"]

Well, we could also say:

Why good doesn't matter: it's not applied 90% of the time.

And we can't agree with that. Without good there is no happiness. And we want to be happy.

ROFLCOPTER603

Intelligence and good are completely different.

Good is a philosophical question as it is based on morals and morals are different from person to person.

Apply your intelligence before you respond.

Intelligence is just as subjective as morals are. Maybe you should apply your intelligence.

Intelligence is hardly subjective, you can be more intelligent at certain things but intelligence is comparative to other people.

Oil_rope_bombs

what is this