Interesting article covering stolen jewerly found in Trayvon Martin's backpack

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/04/12/part-2-the-trayvon-martin-cover-up-hurley-blows-a-gasket/

Not crazy about the source of the article, but it's fairly well sourced including the actual police reports and statments from the involved officers.  Mainly concerning to me, it appears the head of the MDSPD was proactively trying to give the appearance of reduced crime by black males by basically shoving suspected crimes under the rug.

Obviously this doesn't have much to do with what occured with Zimmerman, but it's interesting none-the-less.

(anyone who can debunk aspects of the article are certainly welcomed to and encourage to do so)

Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. DevilMightCry

It is the same with Zimmerman's background on the night they don't matter. Neither were saints and on that night probably both made stupid mistakes.

He was suspected of theft but he was never convicted because there was no evidence that he actually stole them or that the jewelry matched the ones that were stolen. Here's what the Huffington Post says. LINK

The only thing he's guilty of is being a poor student: Graffiti, possible drug use, and playing hookey. However, that's irrelevant to the Zimmerman case whether Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense or with malice. In fact, no one is ever innocent or an angel. We all have skeletons in our closet so this whole character assassination thing needs to stop. It really is irrelevant to the case, even if he stole the jewelry.

This whole Zimmerman case turned into a BS TV racist court case where the issue should have been whether Zimmerman shot him in cold blood or in self-defense.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. ferrari2001

And then there's going to be a movie about him starring Lil Wayne as Travyon Martin.

He was suspected of theft but he was never convicted because there was no evidence that he actually stole them or that the jewelry matched the ones that were stolen. Here's what the Huffington Post says. LINK

The only thing he's guilty of is being a poor student: Graffiti, possible drug use, and playing hookey. However, that's irrelevant to the Zimmerman case whether Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense or with malice. In fact, no one is ever innocent or an angel. We all have skeletons in our closet so this whole character assassination thing needs to stop. It really is irrelevant to the case, even if he stole the jewelry.

This whole Zimmerman case turned into a BS TV racist court case where the issue should have been whether Zimmerman shot him in cold blood or in self-defense.

leviathan91

The issue is it was never even investigated, not that he wasn't convicted. 

I did mention I don't think even if he did steal the jewerly it has much to do with the case...though...if someone *is* a theif and is known to break in houses and steal women's jewerly it kind gives a t least a little credance to the idea that Martin might have been acting suspiciously that night.

I'm more concerned about the actions of the school police department, though.  BTW that guy resigned a year later after an internal investigation and accusations of sexual misconduct.

Who cares? The case is closed for now and the outcome is set regardless if you agree or not. Drag him to civil court if you can and if the result is the same there, move on.Treflis

Not interested in the subject matter of a thread?  Then don't click on the link and read the contents of it. Pretty simple concept.  Or whatever, do click and annoy yourself and make emo remarks...it's kind of entertaining I guess :D

We should certianly spend our time judging Trayvon Martin now that he's dead, just to convince ourself that Zimmerman was right to kill him. Better to demonize the dead than to scrutinize the living, and the state of race relations in the country.

We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.

We should certianly spend our time judging Trayvon Martin now that he's dead, just to convince ourself that Zimmerman was right to kill him. Better to demonize the dead than to scrutinize the living, and the state of race relations in the country.

We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.

jimkabrhel

 No evidence? He was in possession of it. The reason why he was never charged with anything is no one in the police department pursued it., and it it appears that was only because of direct intervention by the head of the MSDPD. There was a burgarly not 1 mile away from Martin's school and according to the police reports, they matched visually what was found in Martin's backpack.  Nothing happened though and the jewerly sat collecting dust somewhere at the police station.

The issue is it was never even investigated, not that he wasn't convicted. 

Renevent42

But there was no evidence that he stole it and the police actually did investigate it and came to the conclusion that he wasn't tied to any of the thefts:

"Miami-Dade Police confirmed that it had been asked by school police to help identify the property taken from Martin's backpack. It notified school police that the jewelry did not match any that had been reported stolen." Check the link in my first post for source.

It's suspicious that he would have those items in his backpack but, again, it's irrelevant because the police saw no connection. I understand that Trayvon Martin is not an angel but a hoodlum but it doesn't matter in this type of case and I'm certain that if Martin did live, he would have either outgrew his stupid youth or remained a hoodlum but who knows?

Hypothetically, you killed, with malice, a convicted murderer who was under the suspicion that he molested a child and you didn't know that until now while in court and the evidence does stack up against you, the judge or jury aren't going to be easy on you and commend you for getting rid of a thug, they're going to send your ass in jail. The point is, it doesn't matter. You can attack Zimmerman and Martin based on their past records but it won't matter since the whole point of the trail was to determine if Zimmerman acted in self defense or did kill Martin with malice.

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Who cares? The case is closed for now and the outcome is set regardless if you agree or not. Drag him to civil court if you can and if the result is the same there, move on.Renevent42

Not interested in the subject matter of a thread?  Then don't click on the link and read the contents of it. Pretty simple concept.  Or whatever, do click and annoy yourself and make emo remarks...it's kind of entertaining I guess :D

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

 No evidence? He was in possession of it. The reason why he was never charged with anything is no one in the police department pursued it., and it it appears that was only because of direct intervention by the head of the MSDPD. There was a burgarly not 1 mile away from Martin's school and according to the police reports, they matched visually what was found in Martin's backpack.  Nothing happened though and the jewerly sat collecting dust somewhere at the police station.

The issue is it was never even investigated, not that he wasn't convicted. 

leviathan91

But there was no evidence that he stole it and the police actually did investigate it and came to the conclusion that he wasn't tied to any of the thefts:

"Miami-Dade Police confirmed that it had been asked by school police to help identify the property taken from Martin's backpack. It notified school police that the jewelry did not match any that had been reported stolen." Check the link in my first post for source.

It's suspicious that he would have those items in his backpack but, again, it's irrelevant because the police saw no connection. I understand that Trayvon Martin is not an angel but a hoodlum but it doesn't matter in this type of case and I'm certain that if Martin did live, he would have either outgrew his stupid youth or remained a hoodlum but who knows?

Hypothetically, you killed, with malice, a convicted murderer who was under the suspicion that he molested a child and you didn't know that until now while in court and the evidence does stack up against you, the judge or jury aren't going to be easy on you and commend you for getting rid of a thug, they're going to send your ass in jail. The point is, it doesn't matter. You can attack Zimmerman and Martin based on their past records but it won't matter since the whole point of the trail was to determine if Zimmerman acted in self defense or did kill Martin with malice.

Not to mention, you say there's no proof he stole it...but he was in possesion of it.  He was also in possession of what the police called the burgarly tool.  I mean, I guess you can believe that he was "holding it for a friend" (lauff)...even then I believe that would make him an accessory to a crime, no?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Who cares? The case is closed for now and the outcome is set regardless if you agree or not. Drag him to civil court if you can and if the result is the same there, move on.Treflis

Not interested in the subject matter of a thread?  Then don't click on the link and read the contents of it. Pretty simple concept.  Or whatever, do click and annoy yourself and make emo remarks...it's kind of entertaining I guess :D

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

We should certianly spend our time judging Trayvon Martin now that he's dead, just to convince ourself that Zimmerman was right to kill him. Better to demonize the dead than to scrutinize the living, and the state of race relations in the country.

We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.

Renevent42

How is anything I said an emotional response? It's observation on how each of those cases are treated by the media and the general public. We as a culture react to these crimes differently based on social status. 

There is also a need to justify a person's original reaction to the murder. It's a lot easier to deal with thoughts of "He's just a young black thug who probably was asking to get shot" if it's found that he smoked weed, wore hoodies, and had pictures taken with a gun. 

It goes both ways. People who immedately wanted to call this a hate crime would look to Zimmerman "profiling" Martin, which may or may not have been true. 

The truth of Martin's death lays somewhere in between all of that, and we'll never know all of it.

Who cares? Zimmerman was not found guilty, end of story. Hindsight means nothing now. I refuse to believe Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason, and I refuse to believe Martin deserved to be shot to death.

[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Not interested in the subject matter of a thread?  Then don't click on the link and read the contents of it. Pretty simple concept.  Or whatever, do click and annoy yourself and make emo remarks...it's kind of entertaining I guess :D

Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

We should certianly spend our time judging Trayvon Martin now that he's dead, just to convince ourself that Zimmerman was right to kill him. Better to demonize the dead than to scrutinize the living, and the state of race relations in the country.

We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.

jimkabrhel

How is anything I said an emotional response? It's observation on how each of those cases are treated by the media and the general public. We as a culture react to these crimes differently based on social status. 

There is also a need to justify a person's original reaction to the murder. It's a lot easier to deal with thoughts of "He's just a young black thug who probably was asking to get shot" if it's found that he smoked weed, wore hoodies, and had pictures taken with a gun. 

It goes both ways. People who immedately wanted to call this a hate crime would look to Zimmerman "profiling" Martin, which may or may not have been true. 

The truth of Martin's death lays somewhere in between all of that, and we'll never know all of it.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] I think in the pursuit of truth it's important to understand a situation completely, rather then just rely on emotional response. Not that what you just said had much to do with the thread anyways (again, just another emotional response)...this was more about the actions of the MDSPD and trying to understand certain events leading up to the situation.Renevent42

How is anything I said an emotional response? It's observation on how each of those cases are treated by the media and the general public. We as a culture react to these crimes differently based on social status. 

There is also a need to justify a person's original reaction to the murder. It's a lot easier to deal with thoughts of "He's just a young black thug who probably was asking to get shot" if it's found that he smoked weed, wore hoodies, and had pictures taken with a gun. 

It goes both ways. People who immedately wanted to call this a hate crime would look to Zimmerman "profiling" Martin, which may or may not have been true. 

The truth of Martin's death lays somewhere in between all of that, and we'll never know all of it.

Leviathan address the charges of theft already, I didn't want to repeat them. Martin was not charged with theft, end of story.

And I'm not appealing to emotion. I being critical of emotional responses to this situation. 

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. article

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

his twitter handle is the only thing you need to know about him that shows he was just another thug

Who cares? Zimmerman was found guilty, end of story. Hindsight means nothing now. I refuse to believe Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason, and I refuse to believe Martin deserved to be shot to death.

Blueresident87

Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. Capitan_Kid

We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.jimkabrhel

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

[quote="article"]

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. Renevent42

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

I didn't ignore the article, just didn't care because it was from a biased website. Granted, Huffington Post is biased to the left but it's not outright biased or trying to assume anything. If there was a conviction or deferred adjucation, there would be news of it but there wasn't for Trayvon Martin. So, basically it doesn't matter.

Charges don't mean jack unless there's an actual conviction and he was tied to any known robberies. Seriously give it up. Zimmerman was found not guilty.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. Capitan_Kid

lol its not a sterotype if its true. Trayvon was a thug. go cry yourself to sleep

Zimmerman is free, and yet people are still trying to crucify a a dead kid.

WOW.

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

[quote="article"]

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. Renevent42

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, no?

It's obvious what happened:

Zimmerman stole the jewelry.

Fearing he might be caught, he decided that he would have to frame somebody else.

So he shot poor, innocent Treyvon and planted the contraband in his backpack.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.Solaryellow

And don't forget the whole, "Free Jahar, because he's hot" BS.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

[quote="article"]

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. worlock77

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, no?

Did I say he was 100% guilty of any crime? Did you even bother reading what I wrote? 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

[quote="article"]

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. leviathan91

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

I didn't ignore the article, just didn't care because it was from a biased website. Granted, Huffington Post is biased to the left but it's not outright biased or trying to assume anything. If there was a conviction or deferred adjucation, there would be news of it but there wasn't for Trayvon Martin. So, basically it doesn't matter.

Charges don't mean jack unless there's an actual conviction and he was tied to any known robberies. Seriously give it up. Zimmerman was found not guilty.

I mean, if you want to suggest those were doctored or outright falsified that fine, but for a claim like that I think some supporting evidence would be in order?  Wouldn't it?  I mean at least if you are going to outright ignore something it should be based on something more then "I don't like the source."

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

He didn't, because he COMPLETELY ignored the article:

[quote="article"]

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as found items, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of criminal Mischief (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing WTF on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search]. The school discipline, suspension, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of found items were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a found items report. Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation instead preferring school discipline and not criminal adjudication.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly. Renevent42

End of story you say...lol. I mean, did you guys even bother reading the articles in question?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, no?

Did I say he was 100% guilty of any crime? Did you even bother reading what I wrote? 

Yes, I've read every single post of yours in this thread and the implication is pretty clear.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. ferrari2001

You really should have noted that as sarcasm because there a lot of people out there who say that and actually believe.

Its the same thing everyone was saying in my city a few years ago when there was this big uproar about a black guy who died in police custody. He died in the hands of white cops so of course he was innocent and the cops were all racist because they werent all black. Of course no one seemed to care the man was a wannabe thug meth dealer, in his 40's, that weighed like 380lbs, diabetic, in awful health and died of a heart attack while in custody.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, no?

worlock77

Did I say he was 100% guilty of any crime? Did you even bother reading what I wrote? 

Yes, I've read every single post of yours in this thread and the implication is pretty clear.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

He was suspected of theft but he was never convicted because there was no evidence that he actually stole them or that the jewelry matched the ones that were stolen. Here's what the Huffington Post says. LINK

The only thing he's guilty of is being a poor student: Graffiti, possible drug use, and playing hookey. However, that's irrelevant to the Zimmerman case whether Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense or with malice. In fact, no one is ever innocent or an angel. We all have skeletons in our closet so this whole character assassination thing needs to stop. It really is irrelevant to the case, even if he stole the jewelry.

This whole Zimmerman case turned into a BS TV racist court case where the issue should have been whether Zimmerman shot him in cold blood or in self-defense.

Renevent42

The issue is it was never even investigated, not that he wasn't convicted. 

I did mention I don't think even if he did steal the jewerly it has much to do with the case...though...if someone *is* a theif and is known to break in houses and steal women's jewerly it kind gives a t least a little credance to the idea that Martin might have been acting suspiciously that night.

I'm more concerned about the actions of the school police department, though.  BTW that guy resigned a year later after an internal investigation and accusations of sexual misconduct.

So if, for argument's sake, we admit that Trayvon was a thief, that now makes it George Zimmerman's job to follow him around, instigate a confrontation, and shoot him dead?  It's not, say, the job of trained police officers to follow and confront suspects?  This is the problem with Stand Your Ground, it encourages vigilantism.  It specifically says that armed citizens have the right to use deadly force in preventing a felony, it's telling citizens to go out into situations where they have no businees being and create problems.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

He was suspected of theft but he was never convicted because there was no evidence that he actually stole them or that the jewelry matched the ones that were stolen. Here's what the Huffington Post says. LINK

The only thing he's guilty of is being a poor student: Graffiti, possible drug use, and playing hookey. However, that's irrelevant to the Zimmerman case whether Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense or with malice. In fact, no one is ever innocent or an angel. We all have skeletons in our closet so this whole character assassination thing needs to stop. It really is irrelevant to the case, even if he stole the jewelry.

This whole Zimmerman case turned into a BS TV racist court case where the issue should have been whether Zimmerman shot him in cold blood or in self-defense.

theone86

The issue is it was never even investigated, not that he wasn't convicted. 

I did mention I don't think even if he did steal the jewerly it has much to do with the case...though...if someone *is* a theif and is known to break in houses and steal women's jewerly it kind gives a t least a little credance to the idea that Martin might have been acting suspiciously that night.

I'm more concerned about the actions of the school police department, though.  BTW that guy resigned a year later after an internal investigation and accusations of sexual misconduct.

So if, for argument's sake, we admit that Trayvon was a thief, that now makes it George Zimmerman's job to follow him around, instigate a confrontation, and shoot him dead?  It's not, say, the job of trained police officers to follow and confront suspects?  This is the problem with Stand Your Ground, it encourages vigilantism.  It specifically says that armed citizens have the right to use deadly force in preventing a felony, it's telling citizens to go out into situations where they have no businees being and create problems.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Did I say he was 100% guilty of any crime? Did you even bother reading what I wrote? 

Renevent42

Yes, I've read every single post of yours in this thread and the implication is pretty clear.

You've shown absolutely no indication that you actually want to discuss the matter, instead you just accuse everyone who does not agree with you of an "emotional response".

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, I've read every single post of yours in this thread and the implication is pretty clear.

worlock77

You've shown absolutely no indication that you actually want to discuss the matter, instead you just accuse everyone who does not agree with you of an "emotional response".

The mirror...look into it.

Now, are you going to add anything of value to this thread or are you going to continue to just ramble about nothing?

What is wrong with some of you people? Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman is free, but ya'll taking out time to demonize the dead one? He wasn't a perfect angel or anything like that, but I bet you guys weren't perfect in your youth.

What is wrong with some of you people? Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman is free, but ya'll taking out time to demonize the dead one? He wasn't a perfect angel or anything like that, but I bet you guys weren't perfect in your youth.

dominer

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

Who cares? Zimmerman was found guilty, end of story. Hindsight means nothing now. I refuse to believe Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason, and I refuse to believe Martin deserved to be shot to death.

heeweesRus

I'm not blinded by anything, it was a typo...meant to put "was not found guilty." Relax.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Nope, sorry, try again. You interpret what you want because you simply are going by your own emotional response and cannot discuss the matter beyond that.  If you are going to assume what I mean, you are just going to end up being wrong and not worth talking to.

Renevent42

You've shown absolutely no indication that you actually want to discuss the matter, instead you just accuse everyone who does not agree with you of an "emotional response".

The mirror...look into it.

Now, are you going to add anything of value to this thread or are you going to continue to just ramble about nothing?

You've flat out claim the jewelry was stolen, and you've stated "may bolster the claim that Martin was suspicious". The first has not been proven and the second is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part. You haven't flat out said it, but you've made the implcation crystal clear.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You've shown absolutely no indication that you actually want to discuss the matter, instead you just accuse everyone who does not agree with you of an "emotional response".

worlock77

The mirror...look into it.

Now, are you going to add anything of value to this thread or are you going to continue to just ramble about nothing?

You've flat out claim the jewelry was stolen, and you've stated "may bolster the claim that Martin was suspicious". The first has not been proven and the second is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part. You haven't flat out said it, but you've made the implcation crystal clear.

I said *may* indicate, which indicates only possibility so yeah that's speculation...nothing wrong with that as I did not present it as a fact. That's not what this thread is about anyways, which that point is still sailing over your head like a 747.

Regarding if the jewelry is stolen or not...sure...maybe Martin's mystery friend simply found 12 pieces of woman's jewelry and the males watch, along with the screwdriver, on the ground and gave it to Martin to hold on to and he just never got a chance to report it to the right authorities :lol:

It's a possibility I suppose...that Martin didn't actually steal the items and was in fact just holding it...but let's not get carried away. That would still make him an accessory to a crime.

Now, are you going to actually address what the topic is actually about (conduct of the MDSPD) or just continue to harp on what really amounts something utterly inconsequential to the topic? 

What is wrong with some of you people? Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman is free, but ya'll taking out time to demonize the dead one? He wasn't a perfect angel or anything like that, but I bet you guys weren't perfect in your youth.

dominer

[QUOTE="dominer"]

What is wrong with some of you people? Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman is free, but ya'll taking out time to demonize the dead one? He wasn't a perfect angel or anything like that, but I bet you guys weren't perfect in your youth.

Solaryellow