Interesting article covering stolen jewerly found in Trayvon Martin's backpack

It's a good thing I don't make assumptions off anecdotal evidence otherwise I'd be as closed minded as everyone else in this thread.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. leviathan91

And then there's going to be a movie about him starring Lil Wayne as Travyon Martin.

don't give them any ideas

You've flat out claim the jewelry was stolen, and you've stated "may bolster the claim that Martin was suspicious". The first has not been proven and the second is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part. You haven't flat out said it, but you've made the implcation crystal clear.

worlock77

Reading the article is rather important warlock..

The search of Trayvon Martins backpack turned up at least 12 pcs of ladies jewelry, and a mans watch, in addition to a flat head screwdriver described as a burglary tool.
SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students,

On October 21st 2011 a burglary took place a few blocks from Krop Senior High School where Trayvon Martin attended. The stolen property outlined in the Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) matches the descriptive presented by SRO Dunn in his School Police report 2011-11477.Article

>Jewlery was reported stolen
>Trayvon is found with jewlery
>"To avoid criminal reports for black male students", Trayvon was never arrested or even linked to the matter.

[QUOTE="Solaryellow"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]We so easily forgive celebrities and athletes who make mistakes like drunk driving, drug posession or even being involved in a murder (Ray Lewis) because they entertain us, but it's so easy to absolutely judge a 17-year old boy who happened to be killed in a tragic incident, just because he smoked weed, owned a gun and was black.leviathan91

And don't forget the whole, "Free Jahar, because he's hot" BS.

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

Who cares? Zimmerman was found guilty, end of story. Hindsight means nothing now. I refuse to believe Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason, and I refuse to believe Martin deserved to be shot to death.

Blueresident87

I'm not blinded by anything, it was a typo...meant to put "was not found guilty." Relax.

What is wrong with some of you people? Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman is free, but ya'll taking out time to demonize the dead one? He wasn't a perfect angel or anything like that, but I bet you guys weren't perfect in your youth.

dominer

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Everyone with half a brain could figure out that Treyvon was a thug. People are in denial. But hey, especially since he could have been Obama's son, that looked like him 35 years ago. Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Only racists like you stereotype him as a thug. You should be ashamed of yourself. Bucked20

Don't pretend to know anything about me or what I would call someone. The fact you refer to me with a generalization 'you white folks' and conclude based on my race what my stance would be just shows you are the racist, not me.

And for the record, I have called white people thugs.  This person is an in-law no less, but hey, if the shoe fits and all that.  Not that truth matters to you anyways, you are one of the most racist people on this forum.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Thugs can be white, too, don't be ignorant.  Calling someone a thug doesn't mean they did so soley on the basis of race.

Renevent42

Don't pretend to know anything about me or what I would call someone. The fact you refer to me with a generalization 'you white folks' and conclude based on my race what my stance would be just shows you are the racist, not me.

And for the record, I have called white people thugs.  This person is an in-law no less, but hey, if the shoe fits and all that.  Not that truth matters to you anyways, you are one of the most racist people on this forum.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"] If he was white you wouldn't be calling him a thug,we know how you white folks use code names so when you're called out on your racist sh*t you can deny it.Bucked20

Don't pretend to know anything about me or what I would call someone. The fact you refer to me with a generalization 'you white folks' and conclude based on my race what my stance would be just shows you are the racist, not me.

And for the record, I have called white people thugs.  This person is an in-law no less, but hey, if the shoe fits and all that.  Not that truth matters to you anyways, you are one of the most racist people on this forum.

Own up to your own racism and stop projecting it on to other people.  You are the one with the clear predjudice against white people and are making sweeping statements based on race, not me.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Only racists like you stereotype him as a thug. You should be ashamed of yourself. Bucked20

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Only racists like you stereotype him as a thug. You should be ashamed of yourself. Bucked20

It's not a code bucked and not every white person is racist.

People who fit the profile of a "gansta" and have a bad rap are thugs.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Thugs can be white, too, don't be ignorant.  Calling someone a thug doesn't mean they did so soley on the basis of race.

MakeMeaSammitch

It's not a code bucked and not every white person is racist.

People who fit the profile of a "gansta" and have a bad rap are thugs.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Only racists like you stereotype him as a thug. You should be ashamed of yourself. Bucked20

give it a rest, Bucky, your racism and hypersensitivity is getting old.

Thugs are not black exclusive.  If anything, the Italians were thugs looooooooooong before anyone of african descent was :P

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist.  Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist.  Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

Renevent42

Yes, Trayvon is guilty of being part of Thuggee cult and deserved to die because of it. 

Pretending to be an idiot is foolish. Turly being an idiot is worse.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist.  Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

jimkabrhel

Yes, Trayvon is guilty of being part of Thuggee cult and deserved to die because of it. 

Pretending to be an idiot is foolish. Turly being an idiot is worse.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist.  Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

jimkabrhel

Yes, Trayvon is guilty of being part of Thuggee cult and deserved to die because of it. 

Pretending to be an idiot is foolish. Turly being an idiot is worse.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] I've discussed the matter in length, including referring to the testimony of the police officers involved in the investigation. What have YOU done in this thread other then falsely portray my own comments, and inject your own meaning where I have stated explicitly otherwise?

The mirror...look into it.

Now, are you going to add anything of value to this thread or are you going to continue to just ramble about nothing?

Renevent42

You've flat out claim the jewelry was stolen, and you've stated "may bolster the claim that Martin was suspicious". The first has not been proven and the second is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part. You haven't flat out said it, but you've made the implcation crystal clear.

I said *may* indicate, which indicates only possibility so yeah that's speculation...nothing wrong with that as I did not present it as a fact. That's not what this thread is about anyways, which that point is still sailing over your head like a 747.

Regarding if the jewelry is stolen or not...sure...maybe Martin's mystery friend simply found 12 pieces of woman's jewelry and the males watch, along with the screwdriver, on the ground and gave it to Martin to hold on to and he just never got a chance to report it to the right authorities :lol:

It's a possibility I suppose...that Martin didn't actually steal the items and was in fact just holding it...but let's not get carried away. That would still make him an accessory to a crime.

Now, are you going to actually address what the topic is actually about (conduct of the MDSPD) or just continue to harp on what really amounts something utterly inconsequential to the topic? 

Yeah, that's not what this topic is about. Were that truly what this topic was about you would have stated that in your headline instead. Your headline, as well as statements you've made, give your intent away.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist.  Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

Renevent42

Yes, Trayvon is guilty of being part of Thuggee cult and deserved to die because of it. 

Pretending to be an idiot is foolish. Turly being an idiot is worse.

Here's a protip: learn how to discern sarcasm from seriousness. Interesting that in a discussion about a murder, your resort to using violent language.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You've flat out claim the jewelry was stolen, and you've stated "may bolster the claim that Martin was suspicious". The first has not been proven and the second is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part. You haven't flat out said it, but you've made the implcation crystal clear.

worlock77

I said *may* indicate, which indicates only possibility so yeah that's speculation...nothing wrong with that as I did not present it as a fact. That's not what this thread is about anyways, which that point is still sailing over your head like a 747.

Regarding if the jewelry is stolen or not...sure...maybe Martin's mystery friend simply found 12 pieces of woman's jewelry and the males watch, along with the screwdriver, on the ground and gave it to Martin to hold on to and he just never got a chance to report it to the right authorities :lol:

It's a possibility I suppose...that Martin didn't actually steal the items and was in fact just holding it...but let's not get carried away. That would still make him an accessory to a crime.

Now, are you going to actually address what the topic is actually about (conduct of the MDSPD) or just continue to harp on what really amounts something utterly inconsequential to the topic? 

Yeah, that's not what this topic is about. Were that truly what this topic was about you would have stated that in your headline instead. Your headline, as well as statements you've made, give your intent away.

Try actually reading the first post...I know you would rather assume and project but hey what can I do. Obviously you would rather just read a headline and assume from there, but you are flat out wrong.  The thread only went down this path because people like you continually brought this non-sense up and I was trying to respond to it best I could.

Here, I'll even post it again for your convenience.

Not crazy about the source of the article, but it's fairly well sourced including the actual police reports and statments from the involved officers.  Mainly concerning to me, it appears the head of the MDSPD was proactively trying to give the appearance of reduced crime by black males by basically shoving suspected crimes under the rug.

Obviously this doesn't have much to do with what occured with Zimmerman, but it's interesting none-the-less.

(anyone who can debunk aspects of the article are certainly welcomed to and encourage to do so)

veryfirstpostofthread

Beyond that, the title simply says:

"Interesting article covering stolen jewerly found in Trayvon Martin's backpack"

So yeah, again, you are just flat out wrong in your assumptions and it's biting you in the ass.  Just give it up already.

My points are relevant to the overall point of the thread, whether you disagree with them or not. If you don't want complete discussion of a topic, don't bother posting.

My points are relevant to the overall point of the thread, whether you disagree with them or not. If you don't want complete discussion of a topic, don't bother posting.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Thugs can be white, too, don't be ignorant.  Calling someone a thug doesn't mean they did so soley on the basis of race.

mrbojangles25

give it a rest, Bucky, your racism and hypersensitivity is getting old.

Thugs are not black exclusive.  If anything, the Italians were thugs looooooooooong before anyone of african descent was :P

The Italians: Europe's black people. :P

That's news to me.  I hadnt heard anything about stolen jewerly.  Sure that article is legit?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thug

It's actually even older than that. Buck is just an ignorant racist. Either that or he's just a troll...but you know what they say about people pretending to be idiots lol.

jimkabrhel

Yes, Trayvon is guilty of being part of Thuggee cult and deserved to die because of it.

Pretending to be an idiot is foolish. Turly being an idiot is worse.

Here's a protip: learn how to discern sarcasm from seriousness. Interesting that in a discussion about a murder, your resort to using violent language.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Wow way to make a complete fool of yourself. The obvious point is the term thug isn't something only applicable to blacks, and that there's no secret code 'whitey' is using. Beyond that, making a further leap in logic in that anyone is suggesting he deserved to die because someone may consider him a thug is asinine. You ought to punch yourself in the neck for making such a stupid response.wiopraek

Here's a protip: learn how to discern sarcasm from seriousness. Interesting that in a discussion about a murder, your resort to using violent language.

Did you have to create an alt to post that in your own thread? That's pretty sad.

Relevent.

Well and then there is this about Zimmerman... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE86F0YV20120716

Suffice it to say, there are allegations of ill character on both ends.

Well and then there is this about Zimmerman... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE86F0YV20120716

Suffice it to say, there are allegations of ill character on both ends.

Aclar00_basic

No one finds it weird that they find this out after the trial? The pigs have been framing minorities for centuries.MgamerBD

Nobody is a hero in the Martin-Zimmerman case. If Zimmerman followed orders from the Police, Martin would probably still be alive

Nobody is a hero in the Martin-Zimmerman case. If Zimmerman followed orders from the Police, Martin would probably still be alive

Wolf-Man2006

It's a complex situation that occured with many pieces of information where people do not know what happened, most importantly, who started the physcial confrontation.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

How is anything I said an emotional response? It's observation on how each of those cases are treated by the media and the general public. We as a culture react to these crimes differently based on social status. 

There is also a need to justify a person's original reaction to the murder. It's a lot easier to deal with thoughts of "He's just a young black thug who probably was asking to get shot" if it's found that he smoked weed, wore hoodies, and had pictures taken with a gun. 

It goes both ways. People who immedately wanted to call this a hate crime would look to Zimmerman "profiling" Martin, which may or may not have been true. 

The truth of Martin's death lays somewhere in between all of that, and we'll never know all of it.

jimkabrhel

Leviathan address the charges of theft already, I didn't want to repeat them. Martin was not charged with theft, end of story.

And I'm not appealing to emotion. I being critical of emotional responses to this situation. 

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Nobody is a hero in the Martin-Zimmerman case. If Zimmerman followed orders from the Police, Martin would probably still be alive

Renevent42

There are some major problems with what you just said:

1. 9/11 Dispatcher = Police.

2. When Zimmerman reported Martin to the police, they specifically told him NOT to follow him. Zimmerman followed Martin, disobeying orders.

3. We will never know what really happened other than Zimmerman reached for his gun and shot Martin. Apparently Martin saw Zimmerman outside his home (Dad's fiancee's house) and became angry and probably tried to scare him off. He probably either saw the gun and tried to go for it or Zimmerman pulled it, we will never really know. This was his home. If you are walking home and suddenly a large guy is stalking you, please tell me different.

4. IF Zimmerman didn't have the gun, then Martin wouldn't have went for it. That's still Zimmerman's fault. He was a neighborhood watch, not Rorschach from Watchmen.. He was supposed to report suspicious activity and get out of there.

5. Zimmerman is a bigger person than Martin.. He couldn't use his fists as opposed to a firearm?... Zimmerman had a 30 pound advantage over Martin while also possessing boxing skills, among others. According to witnesses, they just faced each other with Martin throwing the first punch, until Zimmerman pulled the gun.

That whole line of thinking (that you listed as "dumb") certainly APPLIES here. Because the bottom line is, it didn't appear Martin was doing anything illegal. If Zimmerman just stayed behind instead of following Martin, this wouldn't have happened.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Nobody is a hero in the Martin-Zimmerman case. If Zimmerman followed orders from the Police, Martin would probably still be alive

Wolf-Man2006

There are some major problems with what you just said:

1. 9/11 Dispatcher = Police.

2. When Zimmerman reported Martin to the police, they specifically told him NOT to follow him. Zimmerman followed Martin, disobeying orders.

3. We will never know what really happened other than Zimmerman reached for his gun and shot Martin. Apparently Martin saw Zimmerman outside his home (Dad's fiancee's house) and became angry and probably tried to scare him off. He probably either saw the gun and tried to go for it or Zimmerman pulled it, we will never really know. This was his home. If you are walking home and suddenly a large guy is stalking you, please tell me different.

4. IF Zimmerman didn't have the gun, then Martin wouldn't have went for it. That's still Zimmerman's fault. He was a neighborhood watch, not Rorschach from Watchmen.. He was supposed to report suspicious activity and get out of there.

5. Zimmerman is a bigger person than Martin.. He couldn't use his fists as opposed to a firearm?... Zimmerman had a 30 pound advantage over Martin while also possessing boxing skills, among others. According to witnesses, they just faced each other with Martin throwing the first punch, until Zimmerman pulled the gun.

That whole line of thinking (that you listed as "dumb") certainly APPLIES here. Because the bottom line is, it didn't appear Martin was doing anything illegal. If Zimmerman just stayed behind instead of following Martin, this wouldn't have happened.

In this specific case the 9-1-1 operator was not the police or a police officer and as such can not give a lawful command. Solaryellow

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] I wish people would please stop regurgitating that misinformation. They weren't orders and it wasn't the police who gave them it was a dispatcher which has zero authority. That whole line of thinking (if X didn't happen Y wouldn't either) is dumb anyways...one could say if Martin didn't straddle over Zimmerman and ground and pound him he would still be alive as well.Renevent42

There are some major problems with what you just said:

1. 9/11 Dispatcher = Police.

2. When Zimmerman reported Martin to the police, they specifically told him NOT to follow him. Zimmerman followed Martin, disobeying orders.

3. We will never know what really happened other than Zimmerman reached for his gun and shot Martin. Apparently Martin saw Zimmerman outside his home (Dad's fiancee's house) and became angry and probably tried to scare him off. He probably either saw the gun and tried to go for it or Zimmerman pulled it, we will never really know. This was his home. If you are walking home and suddenly a large guy is stalking you, please tell me different.

4. IF Zimmerman didn't have the gun, then Martin wouldn't have went for it. That's still Zimmerman's fault. He was a neighborhood watch, not Rorschach from Watchmen.. He was supposed to report suspicious activity and get out of there.

5. Zimmerman is a bigger person than Martin.. He couldn't use his fists as opposed to a firearm?... Zimmerman had a 30 pound advantage over Martin while also possessing boxing skills, among others. According to witnesses, they just faced each other with Martin throwing the first punch, until Zimmerman pulled the gun.

That whole line of thinking (that you listed as "dumb") certainly APPLIES here. Because the bottom line is, it didn't appear Martin was doing anything illegal. If Zimmerman just stayed behind instead of following Martin, this wouldn't have happened.

First off, what are you refuting? Unless I missed something, you haven't been saying anything. Just the same garbage that I read whenever somebody tries to defend Zimmerman's actions. I read the transcript several time. The Dispatcher specifically said not to follow him. I'm pretty sure listening to the Dispatcher would be actually HELPFUL, so you don't end up in the wrong like Zimmerman. Doesn't matter since Martin is dead.