International study reveals that marijuana users are more likely to be 'losers'

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#51 LJS9502_basic
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@mrbojangles25 said:
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The effects of alcohol are even worse, yet it's legal.

Is really is easy. Both should be legal. Both should be taken very sparsely or not at all. Don't do drugs kids, legal or otherwise.

right, don't do drugs...kids.

Adults, have fun, just keep it in moderation.

And yet adults don't do that..........

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#52 Ant_17
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@indzman said:
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But I'm a loser and I've never even tried marijuana :|

Lower your standards.

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#53 Stesilaus
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@bigfatmistake said:

The effects of alcohol are even worse, yet it's legal.

To say nothing of video game addiction! Many years ago, I was acquainted with somebody who quit his job so that he could spend every waking hour playing Everquest. Separately, one of my business partners once bemoaned that his son had given up on school to devote himself entirely to FPS games.

But I've never known anybody who deliberately dumped his job so that he could smoke marijuana all day. :-P

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#54  Edited By bforrester420
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@Johnny-n-Roger said:
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@mrbojangles25 said:

so much win here! Truer words never spoken.

Funny thing is that the term loser is often not seen as being derogatory. The person using the term "loser", however is seen as a bully. And we all know bullies are bullies because they're miserable and can't stand someone not being as miserable as they are. Maybe a marijuana consuming nation is better than a finite resource consuming nation. Just a thought.

It's a renewable resource that consumes more greenhouse gases while growing than it produces while burning. :-)

For my part, I have no objection to the legalization of marijuana, provided that:

  1. Access is restricted by age, in much the same way that access to alcohol is restricted by age.
  2. Its use in public/shared spaces is controlled sufficiently well to ensure that people who don't wish to inhale it aren't forced to choose between inhaling it and forfeiting use of the public/shared space.

1. Like alcohol

2. Smoking is smoking. This is already illegal with tobacco. I would go a bit further and say that it should be held to the same standards as alcohol. You can't walk down the street with an open bottle of liquor.

You can in some places. Las Vegas and New Orleans (French Quarter), for example

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@Jaysonguy said:
@Johnny-n-Roger said:
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Drug addicts don't do well in life, who would have known?

Who said anything about drugs. We're talking about marijuana.

Me too.

Like I said, drug addicts do not perform well in life.

Without saying. Kind of off topic though.

It's on topic.

It relates directly to this.

People who use marijuana are drug addicts.

Drug addicts don't do well in life.

I don't understand why money needed to be spent to show proof of something we already knew.

Doing a substance does not make you an addict. And what about all the drugs people use on a daily basis like coffee? Does that make most of America losers?

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#56 _SKatEDiRt_
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@Johnny-n-Roger said:

Simple logic: To have a job you have to pass a drug screen that tests for THC metabolites that exist in urine around 30 days. This makes a marijuana user less likely to get a job and keep a job.

As long as possessing and consuming marijuana are criminal by legal definition, the consumption of marijuana will always have a correlation with other criminal activity, whether such behavior is a direct effect of the drug or not.

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#57 samanthademeste
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Most of the 1960s generation was a bunch of losers then.

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#58 bmanva
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Typical confusion between correlation and causation. In the mid 1990s, most of wall street brokers were on cocaine.

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#59  Edited By Renevent42
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I'm all for the ending of drug prohibition, which extends even to hard drugs. That said, I personally do think there is some negative affect on intelligence/memory from smoking dope regularly. I don't really care though, I'd rather it be legal/decriminalized than throwing people in jail and causing all sorts of societal problems from the cost/damage from incarcerating masses of people.

The people I do know that are regular smokers are def in line with what the report found. I mean, I do know tons of people who casually do all sorts of drugs and are also extremely successful, but like any drug (including alcohol) moderation is the key.

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#60  Edited By Johnny-n-Roger
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@bmanva said:

Typical confusion between correlation and causation. In the mid 1990s, most of wall street brokers were on cocaine.

Regardless of what anyone claims, the mandatory minimums in regards to the 10 to 1 ratio that they are applied to crack and powder form are directly correlated to race. Most drug laws in the US had racial oppression as their primary motive.

While "heroin" invented by Bayer and other forms of opium were not prohibited, smoking opium was. This was because of the "overwhelming" Asian American population who smoked opium could now be made criminals while most whites had other methods of consumption including the more addictive and potent Heroin that could be bought over-the-counter similar to buying a bottle of Aspirin today. Ironically, heroin was falsely marketed as a "non-addictive" form of opium with "less side effects". Class action lawsuits obviously weren't as prevalent back then.

Cocaine was prohibited because southern black Americans were "working too hard" while using it and putting white men out of jobs.

Cannabis was called "marijuana" by Mexicans. This name was adopted by politicians for the sole purpose of enabling its association with the drug as "Mexican", playing off of white America's displeasure in the mid-west as Mexican culture became more prevalent. Politicians even made claims to the tone of "Mexican's are crazy, and marijuana is what makes them crazy".

The actual reasons behind cannabis prohibition can be attributed to Du-Pont, and their patented synthetic fiber Nylon being threatened by the comparatively tensile natural fiber known as "hemp". By associating hemp directly with marijuana they effectively monopolized the market, much in the same way big oil advocated alcohol prohibition to deter automotive manufacturers from making "cleaner burning" combustion engines that would use ethanol as a fuel source.

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#61 Johnny-n-Roger
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@Renevent42 said:

I'm all for the ending of drug prohibition, which extends even to hard drugs. That said, I personally do think there is some negative affect on intelligence/memory from smoking dope regularly. I don't really care though, I'd rather it be legal/decriminalized than throwing people in jail and causing all sorts of societal problems from the cost/damage from incarcerating masses of people.

The people I do know that are regular smokers are def in line with what the report found. I mean, I do know tons of people who casually do all sorts of drugs and are also extremely successful, but like any drug (including alcohol) moderation is the key.

Because at some point you realize that at some point our society has to eat the bullshit known as "The War on Drugs":

  • Legalization means less people in jail for non-violent crimes. Rather than funding 4 walls and 3 square meals, tax money could provide better education.
  • There would be more users, but addicts would not be relegated to the underground, would be more easily identified by their purchases, and not be receiving poisoned product
  • The Cartels in Mexico would collapse
  • The "coolness" and "rebel" nature of experimenting with drugs would not have any appeal
  • Gangs have no incentive to kill over street corners
  • Excise tax on drug purchases could be used to fund rehabilitation centers that wouldn't treat addicts like its some incurable disease, but rather a lack of self control

Yes, I realize that an entire generation would go nuts and people would tragically die for lacking self-control and the fact that schools don't properly educate the reality of drugs. Most of what schools teach is based on non-fact and is pure propaganda. Once people experiment with drugs and it doesn't hold up to what they've been taught they begin to reject and/or question other things they've been taught or lead to believe. In fact, displeasure with society could be a key contributing factor as to why marijuana users are allegedly "less successful" or "losers". Maybe they just stop giving a shit about contributing to society and paying tax dollars to teach propaganda.

The fact that marijuana is even held to the same standard as "hard drugs" makes it a gateway drug. The whole "gateway drug" theory doesn't exist in a world where marijuana is legal and does not require similar illegal means to acquire. Alcohol, is itself, a "hard drug" and makes a better culprit in terms of being a "gateway drug" by merit of its effects alone. It's also far easier to acquire marijuana in schools than it is to get a bottle of liquor. Laws don't stop shit from happening.

And let's not forget many people are already dying by drug related overdoses, drug related shootings, and that the "War on Drugs" is a literal war that oppresses millions of people.

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@indzman said:
@MuD3 said:

But I'm a loser and I've never even tried marijuana :|

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#63 mrbojangles25
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@loco145 said:
@bigfatmistake said:

The effects of alcohol are even worse, yet it's legal.

Is really is easy. Both should be legal. Both should be taken very sparsely or not at all. Don't do drugs kids, legal or otherwise.

right, don't do drugs...kids.

Adults, have fun, just keep it in moderation.

And yet adults don't do that..........

no, not all the time. Still, shouldn't stop us from trying. And I do my drugs in moderation just fine....now. When I was taking legal, prescribed drugs, well, that's when things got out of control. I was on like three to four different meds.

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#64 Gaming-Planet
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I only use it for medical purposes because I am a chemo patient but I don't fall within this group of degenerates you speak of.

There are intelligent users than there are just losers. Losers tend to do attract this lifestyle of being a stoner.