IRA kill 2 British soldiers in Northern Ireland

It'd pretty much be like asking the Native Americans if they wanted their land back, and polling all of the people in the United States (non-Native American's included). I'm American and I can't speak for the Irish, but I'd think they'd want it back.peeviness

Yes, most of us would love to see it back..

And everyone, this isn't the IRA, its the RIRA... Difference.

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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] So yeah, he also told me about something called Bloody Sunday. Brits opened fire on a crowd of people at a football game and killed 14 people after the IRA assassinated a bunch of targets. What's that all about? Juggernaut140

that wouldn't have happened if the IRA had been there spoiling for a fight already they wanted that to happen and while i total do not condone what happened there the IRA shouldn't have been there either .

they were there intending to start trouble there were even reports from people in the crowed that the IRA fired first i bet he didn't tell you that the British returend fire sadly and killed many inocent by standers .

Both sides have commited many atrocities, the "vote" was heavily influenced by the influx of British and Scottish sent to Northern Ireland since the beginning of the occupation.

If you want to get technical, the British started it, so they shouldn't complain about acts of rebellion.

peeviness

they were there intending to start trouble there were even reports from people in the crowed that the IRA fired first i bet he didn't tell you that the British returend fire sadly and killed many inocent by standers .

snakes_codec

Which kinda shows the British army's lack of care for who or what they hit... :|

Well, i'm not saying the killings are justifiable, but after the terrible things the British have done to the Irish over the past centuries, I don't think the Irish, or IRA for that matter, are going to just forget everything that's happened. In a way it's similar to how blacks still have anger towards whites due to past acts of slavery.

Dopemonk736

but at the end of the day the past is the past i don't hate the Germans even tho they killed nearly 2 million British people over the course of 2 World Wars so why should the Irish hate us for something that happened a long time ago .

[QUOTE="Dopemonk736"]

Well, i'm not saying the killings are justifiable, but after the terrible things the British have done to the Irish over the past centuries, I don't think the Irish, or IRA for that matter, are going to just forget everything that's happened. In a way it's similar to how blacks still have anger towards whites due to past acts of slavery.

snakes_codec

but at the end of the day the past is the past i don't hate the Germans even tho they killed nearly 2 million British people over the course of 2 World Wars so why should the Irish hate us for something that happened a long time ago .

We havn't forgotten, but we don't hate Britain... just like nobody is going to forget what Germany done, but we still wont hold it against them or hate them..

[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

they were there intending to start trouble there were even reports from people in the crowed that the IRA fired first i bet he didn't tell you that the British returend fire sadly and killed many inocent by standers .

-Misanthropic-

Which kinda shows the British army's lack of care for who or what they hit... :|

its true they should have never returned fire it was a big mistake they should have let the IRA do there thing and make themselves look like the idiots they were and there wannabe proxys are today .

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[QUOTE="Dopemonk736"]

Well, i'm not saying the killings are justifiable, but after the terrible things the British have done to the Irish over the past centuries, I don't think the Irish, or IRA for that matter, are going to just forget everything that's happened. In a way it's similar to how blacks still have anger towards whites due to past acts of slavery.

-Misanthropic-

but at the end of the day the past is the past i don't hate the Germans even tho they killed nearly 2 million British people over the course of 2 World Wars so why should the Irish hate us for something that happened a long time ago .

We havn't forgotten, but we don't hate Britain... just like nobody is going to forget what Germany done, but we still wont hold it against them or hate them..

very well put mate also we must not let what happened today affect the peace in NI the British and Irish governments must work together to bring these killers to justice because the people who were injured and killed weren't just British the guys who were delivering the pizza were Irish citizens so this affects both are countries .

very well put mate also we must not let what happened today affect the peace in NI the British and Irish governments must work together to bring these killers to justice because the people who were injured and killed weren't just British the guys who were delivering the pizza were Irish citizens so this affects both are countries .

snakes_codec

Yeah, what happened was totally uneccesary, not needed at all.If peace breaks down it will just add problems to the countries.Its best to clear this up and move on as quick as possible.

Who did what where?remmbermytitans

You must be an AWESOME reader.

Who did what where?remmbermytitans

[QUOTE="spark5050"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]The UK should just free Northern Ireland.MoonMarvel

you, good sir, win the hypocrisy award. You used the exact opposite argument to say why Yes on Prop 8 in California was a good thing.

[QUOTE="peeviness"]

Both sides have commited many atrocities, the "vote" was heavily influenced by the influx of British and Scottish sent to Northern Ireland since the beginning of the occupation.

If you want to get technical, the British started it, so they shouldn't complain about acts of rebellion.

cjek

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="spark5050"] Northern Ireland voted to be part of Britainmrbojangles25

you, good sir, win the hypocrisy award. You used the exact opposite argument to say why Yes on Prop 8 in California was a good thing.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

that wouldn't have happened if the IRA had been there spoiling for a fight already they wanted that to happen and while i total do not condone what happened there the IRA shouldn't have been there either .

snakes_codec

they were there intending to start trouble there were even reports from people in the crowed that the IRA fired first i bet he didn't tell you that the British returend fire sadly and killed many inocent by standers .

There was no fire from the IRA :| The British said that they were throwing nail bombs (which was proven false by civilians) and then opened fire on a CROW OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Juggernaut140

Thats true... there was no proof of IRA activity there, they accusation went without proof.The so called "IRA men" were actually ticket sellers outside the stadium.

[QUOTE="cjek"][QUOTE="peeviness"]

Both sides have commited many atrocities, the "vote" was heavily influenced by the influx of British and Scottish sent to Northern Ireland since the beginning of the occupation.

If you want to get technical, the British started it, so they shouldn't complain about acts of rebellion.

peeviness

but what has happened in NI isn't British Imperialism its home rule that is supported by the majority of the people of NI its almost as stupid as someone once an American once trying to tell me that Scotland & Wales are English colonies when if he had read a history book he would know about the act of union of 1707 NI is the same part of the union its free not imperialism .

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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] They shouldn't have been at a football game? Juggernaut140

they were there intending to start trouble there were even reports from people in the crowed that the IRA fired first i bet he didn't tell you that the British returend fire sadly and killed many inocent by standers .

there problem is there are so many mixed accounts of the incident that we may never no the whole truth best letting the past be the past and moving on .

I already made a thread about this on the night it happened.. also the ignorance in this Thread really ticks me off.

I already made a thread about this on the night it happened.. also the ignorance in this Thread really ticks me off.

RiseAgainst12

but how many posts did yours get ?

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

I already made a thread about this on the night it happened.. also the ignorance in this Thread really ticks me off.

snakes_codec

but how many posts did yours get ?

There seem to be a lot of confusion about Bloody Sunday. There are two seperate incidents it refers to, one in the 1920's, the other much more recently.

1920's: as revenge for assassinations, British troops enter a gaelic football match and fire on civilians.

More recently: troops open fire on a peaceful demonstration, shooting fleeing participants in the back. Later claims of nail bombs are discredited.

[QUOTE="peeviness"]

Both sides have commited many atrocities, the "vote" was heavily influenced by the influx of British and Scottish sent to Northern Ireland since the beginning of the occupation.

If you want to get technical, the British started it, so they shouldn't complain about acts of rebellion.

cjek

The IRA are still around? What?Vandalvideo

They aren't the IRA proper, they're a splinter group called the real IRA. There's also a splinter group called the provisional IRA, I don't know whether that's still around.

The IRA are still around? What?Vandalvideo

Continuity IRA

Real IRA (they are claiming responsibility for the attack with a second group also claiming responsibility which is more than Likely)

Official IRA (who have given up Arms)

Provisional IRA(who also have given up arms)

Other Republican groups include the INLA, which are a considerable organisation but not in a position to pull of attacks against any armed forces. Also Oglaith na HEireann group which is a split organisation made up of ex IRA members (across the groups) with considerable experience and a real threat, this group is also claiming responsibility for the shooting.

-Mehdi1984

The Protestant majority (Around 57% of the population) won the last referendum, get over it, the majority wants to remain part of the UK.

A recent survey (By Sinn Fienn) actually showed only 33% of the population wish to join a united Ireland.

Also as part of the re-written constitution the Republic of Ireland no longer holds claim to possesion of Northern Ireland.

I would also like to say The United States of America are actually meeting a former member of this organization (Aka a terrorist) this week, First Minister of Northern Ireland Martin Mc Guniess, AndObama isgoing toshow his support for a United Ireland (reason number 10920029 why the America foriegn policy is awful) so called land of democracy where the vote is more powerfull than the person, hypocrite's is the word I think you looking for.

The Protestant majority (Around 57% of the population) won the last referendum, get over it, the majority wants to remain part of the UK.

A recent survey (By Sinn Fienn) actually showed only 33% of the population wish to join a united Ireland.

Also as part of the re-written constitution the Republic of Ireland no longer holds claim to possesion of Northern Ireland.

I would also like to say The United States of America are actually meeting a former member of this organization (Aka a terrorist) this week, First Minister of Northern Ireland Martin Mc Guniess, AndObama isgoing toshow his support for a United Ireland (reason number 10920029 why the America foriegn policy is awful) so called land of democracy where the vote is more powerfull than the person, hypocrite's is the word I think you looking for.

51% of the population doesn't get to tell the other 49% what to do.MoonMarvel

The UK should just free Northern Ireland.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. There has been violence sense Britain has been there.. Why is this anything new? MoonMarvel

Who in here is actually from Northern Ireland?

The attacks where supposed carried out by the RIRA, thats all that is known at the moment.

To the person talking about a United Ireland you do realise that would be economical suicide for the Irish government as Northern Ireland is essentially maintained by UK taxes. The whole United Ireland aspect is just a front to try and justify violence. These people are no longer fighting for a cause, they are simply terrorists.

I'm not condoning the past behaviour of the British army either. Bloody Sunday was a very sad day for the country but I thought we had moved on from such events.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]51% of the population doesn't get to tell the other 49% what to do.karriston

The UK should just free Northern Ireland.MoonMarvel

agreed

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]51% of the population doesn't get to tell the other 49% what to do.karriston

The UK should just free Northern Ireland.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. There has been violence sense Britain has been there.. Why is this anything new? Ninja-Hippo

The Protestant majority (Around 57% of the population) won the last referendum, get over it, the majority wants to remain part of the UK.

A recent survey (By Sinn Fienn) actually showed only 33% of the population wish to join a united Ireland.

Also as part of the re-written constitution the Republic of Ireland no longer holds claim to possesion of Northern Ireland.

I would also like to say The United States of America are actually meeting a former member of this organization (Aka a terrorist) this week, First Minister of Northern Ireland Martin Mc Guniess, AndObama isgoing toshow his support for a United Ireland (reason number 10920029 why the America foriegn policy is awful) so called land of democracy where the vote is more powerfull than the person, hypocrite's is the word I think you looking for.

I've talked to a dude in the IRA online and he told me about some pretty ****** up things that the brits do the Irish. Juggernaut140

Maybe. But that is hardly an unbiased take on the matter. What the brits don't do is blow up hotels full of people who have got nothing to do with it.

Maybe you should ask osama bin laden what his beef is.

The IRA are a bunch of Cowards. They should fight with Sword and Spears like the Scots did.

The IRA are a bunch of Cowards. They should fight with Sword and Spears like the Scots did.

TenP

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]I've talked to a dude in the IRA online and he told me about some pretty ****** up things that the brits do the Irish. Leejjohno

Maybe. But that is hardly an unbiased take on the matter. What the brits don't do is blow up hotels full of people who have got nothing to do with it.

Maybe you should ask osama bin laden what his beef is.

[QUOTE="TenP"]

The IRA are a bunch of Cowards. They should fight with Sword and Spears like the Scots did.

RiseAgainst12

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

snakes_codec

There are some Scots that want independance too though.

[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

-Misanthropic-

There are some Scots that want independance too though.

there's independents parties in England & Wales to but neither holds any real weight behind it because all sides see the benefits of a united Britain .

there's independents parties in England & Wales to but neither holds any real weight behind it because all sides see the benefits of a united Britain .

snakes_codec

Well that means Sinn Fein are either incredibly stupid, or incredibly smart.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="TenP"]

The IRA are a bunch of Cowards. They should fight with Sword and Spears like the Scots did.

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

-Misanthropic-

There are some Scots that want independance too though.

[QUOTE="-Misanthropic-"]

[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

not that they have really fought against the act of union in fact it was there idea most Scottish people recognises that the act of union was nessesry a United Britain is a stronger Britain same maybe with Ireland one day to .

AnObscureName

There are some Scots that want independance too though.

your right Salmond and the SNP wont last past the next election and they only just scraped in last time by one seat not only that but Salmond's dream of being the man to break up the United Kingdom is already in doubt due to his party not have enough seats to put forward a referendum which if passed would be shot down in flames by the Scottish people .