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#1 rimnet00
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I spend quite a bit of time discussing politics with a group of people that come from a wide range of political beliefs as well as religious beliefs. During one of our discussions last night, an interesting point was made, one that I was surprised never entered my mind.

While, I hold the stance that Iran is not seeking to build nuclear weapons, but is instead seeking to build nuclear power plants. We somehow decided to shift the discussion over to the question, "Why can't Iran have Nuclear Weapons?". During this heated debate, someone gave the notion that the only reason that the US even remotely cares about Iran's potential to create nuclear weaponry, is because of Israel's paranoia that Iran will gain huge economical ground in the region if they are able to expand their energy resources. He then posed, that even if Iran is able to somehow enrich uranium to the level of 80% (which is required for a nuclear weapon) from their current enrichment of 4-5% (5% is needed for nuclear power plants), they wouldn't have the missiles capable to reach the US.

I think it was the fact that it was the first time I had considered the scenario of Iran, actually, having nuclear weapons. When trying to picture this in my mind, I suddenly realized the obvious; why on earth would Iran ever drop a nuke on Israel? Israel is holy land for Muslims as well, and clearly Iran is a Muslim country. Doing so would be completely illogical and highly improbable.

So, now I am left here thinking, what are we even remotely being feared into? That Iran may one day become a major player in the world economy? None of this adds up, and only leaves me to turn towards the obvious; we are simply being fooled, once again.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. [hey, at least I can say it once without making a fool of myself on public television]
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#2 SaintLeonidas
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Um Irans leader has said multiple times that he wants to wipe Isreal out, and destoy them.What better way then with a nuke. Remember they have no regard for human life like the US, Isreal and UN countries do, Iran would kill people without hesitation.
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#3 rimnet00
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Um Irans leader has said multiple times that he wants to wipe Isreal out, and destoy them.What better way then with a nuke. Remember they have no regard for human life like the US, Isreal and UN countries do, Iran would kill people without hesitation.SaintLeonidas

However you forget a few things. First off, Iran's president said that, and the president of Iran looks over the domestic politics and holds little to no say on military action. Secondly, you are assuming that his opinion should be taken as actual intention, and as an actual agenda. Thirdly, you are assuming he is referring to the use of a Nuclear weapon, which Iran can not even begin to produce for at least a few years (and this is not even considering sanctions that would pile up on them if they even doubled their current enrichment). Then, even if you were to prove that these assumptions are actually based on some substantial evidence and if the President of Iran somehow broke his own constitution and was given military authority, we would still need to consider the underlining question I am posing: Why would a muslim country nuke land that they themselves consider holy?
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#4 Volodnikov9
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If the Holy Land was nuked, the world would be so stupid as to declare war on itself. It's a shame.
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#5 compaq345682
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Personally I dont care what Iran does as long as it stays over there. Well sure if he does actually nuke Israel which is a long shot then yeah sure the entire country should be wiped out with Military superpowers like china, Britain, U.S. and he should be sentenced to some horrible death, but if no nukes are fired than yeah I dont really care.
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#6 haloraider
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I doubt that Iran would use the nuke on Israel, if they ever even make one. As rimnet00 said, Jerusalem is holy to Muslims also.
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#7 Custodian405
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If Iran ever did produce a Balistic missile or worst yet an ICBM it would never launch it on Israel. Why? Simple, for all of their hatred towards Israel, it still has a very large Arab and Muslim population. If they try and kill a lot of Jewish Israelies they will end up killing a lot of Muslim Israelies as well. They may try some sort of an invasion but even that is far fetched for now, seeing as how US controlled Iraq is in their way. I see their neuclear research as civilian based (for now).
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#8 Ragnarok1051
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The president and dude in charge of military has stated that they will destroy Israel, and I think they will cause they hate the Jews and Israel is where a majority of them live it is their homeland. So for all you people who say that it will never happen just be warned, when it does we can just say he told he would do it and now he has you can only blame yourself. Just like Hitler wrote his autobiography that mapped out WWII and nobody payed any attention to it...
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#9 EboyLOL
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Right, but the Iranians are insane.
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#10 bastards12345
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Right, but the Iranians are insane.EboyLOL
They're no more insane than the Israelites.
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#11 Lonelynight
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Right, but the Iranians are insane.EboyLOL

agree
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#12 delol
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Right, but the Iranians are insane.EboyLOL
Iranians aren´t insane they wan´t to assume themselves as a regional power since the USA did them the favour of eliminate Iran biggest enemy Saddam Hussein
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#13 Ehsannp
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Right, but the Iranians are insane.EboyLOL

Yes, Iranians are insane because they can't walk with a girl on street or drink whiskey in a bar or throw a party in their house.We are insane because of this f*ckin religion that make us live like a prisoners and make some fool bastard our president.We are insane because over 25 millions of people here live with under $200 earning per month.We are insane because we must live 2 years like an animals in military. YES WE ARE POOR INSANES :lol:

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#14 Dasc00
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[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Right, but the Iranians are insane.bastards12345
They're no more insane than the Israelites.

I know an Iranian. He's cool.
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[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Right, but the Iranians are insane.Lonelynight

agree

hell, all of them are insane

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#16 nohabs
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I think the op's assessment is a good one.  So my thoughts are that Iran is doing the same tactic as N Korea, using the nuke card to leverage better economic trade with other countries.

Iran is actually hurting right now economically, they must import their gas because they do not have the technology to refine their own. The three Countries that manufacture the refineries they need are not selling to Iran ( US , Canada and Japan ).

I would say that's not the only factor ( economic trouble ), but it is a very serious one. That is what caused the USSR to crumble. 

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#17 Ehsannp
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I think the op's assessment is a good one.  So my thoughts are that Iran is doing the same tactic as N Korea, using the nuke card to leverage better economic trade with other countries.

Iran is actually hurting right now economically, they must import their gas because they do not have the technology to refine their own. The three Countries that manufacture the refineries they need are not selling to Iran ( US , Canada and Japan ).

I would say that's not the only factor ( economic trouble ), but it is a very serious one. That is what caused the USSR to crumble. 

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and make 50 millions people hungry. yeah its great idea
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#18 Ehsannp
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I think the op's assessment is a good one.  So my thoughts are that Iran is doing the same tactic as N Korea, using the nuke card to leverage better economic trade with other countries.

Iran is actually hurting right now economically, they must import their gas because they do not have the technology to refine their own. The three Countries that manufacture the refineries they need are not selling to Iran ( US , Canada and Japan ).

I would say that's not the only factor ( economic trouble ), but it is a very serious one. That is what caused the USSR to crumble. 

nohabs
and make 50 millions people hungry. yeah its great idea
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#19 ROLFCHANK
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if you think iran is ever going to become a serious economic player apart from its involvement in oil, you need to think again.
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This is Bull$hi*!!!!

Why do we have to do this to each other?? Why cant we all unite as one country and end all this war?? everything i hear has something to do with war and im getting sick and tired of it! Americans,Canadians,British troops are all dieing in Afghanistan and Iraq for what??? Something thats never going to happen??? Yah thats right! Peace! Iraq will never see peace and our soldiers are fighting in vain. Its stupid to try to rebuild a country thats not going to accept us.

Is it only me that can see this?? We all need to unite!!!! IF the world goes on much longer like this then everybody is going to be fighting for money and oil! Its all the presidents,Pri ministers faults to!! There should be somebody who controls the country but there should also be no weapons on this planet!! "O look im going to kill hundreds of innocent children just because im Peed off at some country" Ok listen! People who cause war will always lose if there are no weapons to fight with!

Take away the weapons
Take away the presidents, priministers
Add in a council filled with people making decisions LAW etc....

Wala!! Peace for everybody!

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#21 Omni-Slash
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says a whole bunch of utopian nonsense

gokurocks2442
your right..if we left and got rid of all our weapons no-one would ever wage war again...:roll:......Iran may never "nuke Iraq"...but they'ed happily give a nuke to some waked out fundamentalist who'd have no problem doing the deed.....
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#22 buckfush311
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First of all the saying is "Fool me once shame on you, fool me again shame on me."

It would be suicide for Iran to produce nuclear weapons. I remember reading somewhere that we have a policy that if Israel is nuked and we don't know who did it, then our policy is to nuke everyone in the middle east who could have even harbored the "evil-doers."  I'll have to see if I can find a link but I'm sure I read it on the PC Gamer forums...

That basically means that if Iran were to even sell a nuclear weapon to someone in the middle east for the purpose of attacking Israel, it would basically wipe out the majority of the Muslims in the world.

There is no way they would nuke their own holy land only to wipe themselves out.

This build up for going into Iran is just more propaganda.
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First of all the saying is "Fool me once shame on you, fool me again shame on me."

It would be suicide for Iran to produce nuclear weapons. I remember reading somewhere that we have a policy that if Israel is nuked and we don't know who did it, then our policy is to nuke everyone in the middle east who could have even harbored the "evil-doers."  I'll have to see if I can find a link but I'm sure I read it on the PC Gamer forums...

That basically means that if Iran were to even sell a nuclear weapon to someone in the middle east for the purpose of attacking Israel, it would basically wipe out the majority of the Muslims in the world.

There is no way they would nuke their own holy land only to wipe themselves out.

This build up for going into Iran is just more propaganda.
buckfush311
and hitler wouldn't dare take over Poland.......we all know how that worked out.....your assumption that everyone is playing on the same mental field is misguided.....
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#24 Apenoot
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I don't think Iran would nuke Israel but they might attack with conventional forces if they could (but the Israeli's would wipe their forces out and they know it) OR like some of you said: they could sell nukes to terrorists.

Btw I don't hate Iranians in general as many of them strongly dissaprove of their current gouvernment and the imposed Sharia.

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#25 ROLFCHANK
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[QUOTE="buckfush311"]First of all the saying is "Fool me once shame on you, fool me again shame on me."

It would be suicide for Iran to produce nuclear weapons. I remember reading somewhere that we have a policy that if Israel is nuked and we don't know who did it, then our policy is to nuke everyone in the middle east who could have even harbored the "evil-doers." I'll have to see if I can find a link but I'm sure I read it on the PC Gamer forums...

That basically means that if Iran were to even sell a nuclear weapon to someone in the middle east for the purpose of attacking Israel, it would basically wipe out the majority of the Muslims in the world.

There is no way they would nuke their own holy land only to wipe themselves out.

This build up for going into Iran is just more propaganda.
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and hitler wouldn't dare take over Poland.......we all know how that worked out.....your assumption that everyone is playing on the same mental field is misguided.....

but he read it on the pc gamer forums. i get all my information about geopolitics from there.
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#26 buckfush311
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] and hitler wouldn't dare take over Poland.......we all know how that worked out.....your assumption that everyone is playing on the same mental field is misguided.....

But Hitler did the exact same thing to take over Poland that we're doing with Iran now. Iran is being vilified in order to justify an invasion. In order to "justify" attacking Poland, Hitler dressed a Jew in a Polish military uniform and took him to the Polish border. German troops simply killed him and reported to the press that Poland had attacked Germany and that is how the invasion began. Look at the Reichstag building being blamed on communists and how that parallels to the World Trade Center being blamed on Muslims. Look at the news recently. "Iran supplies weapons for attacks in Iraq." "Iran shows hostility and threatens to attack Israel." We're being deceived into believing that Iran is a much greater threat than they are. If we go to war with Iran that means more no-bid contracts for companies like Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, and others. It's a game of profit for Bush and his buddies.
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#27 Ehsannp
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I'm Iranian. They are 70 millions peaple living here and they don't think same about americans and nuke programs. all they want is peace and freedom.We hate our governments and our FOOL president.

I feel sorry to myself because of the way that our governments act.

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#28 sentencedogu
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Iranians are normal people like us,they do not want to kill antbody,I do know a lot of them
They just don't like the idea of zionisn
Ahmedinejah is a great leader(except being religious)and he is much more intelligent than..........Bush
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#29 sentencedogu
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and  USA damaged Iran a lot in the last 30 years although they didnt do anything
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First of all the saying is "Fool me once shame on you, fool me again shame on me."

It would be suicide for Iran to produce nuclear weapons. I remember reading somewhere that we have a policy that if Israel is nuked and we don't know who did it, then our policy is to nuke everyone in the middle east who could have even harbored the "evil-doers."  I'll have to see if I can find a link but I'm sure I read it on the PC Gamer forums...

That basically means that if Iran were to even sell a nuclear weapon to someone in the middle east for the purpose of attacking Israel, it would basically wipe out the majority of the Muslims in the world.

There is no way they would nuke their own holy land only to wipe themselves out.

This build up for going into Iran is just more propaganda.
buckfush311
lol there is a lot more muslims the dont live in the middle east... however is Israel started randomly shooting nukes everywhere and killing millions it would probly be attacked by other countries including non muslim ones...
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[QUOTE="buckfush311"]First of all the saying is "Fool me once shame on you, fool me again shame on me."

It would be suicide for Iran to produce nuclear weapons. I remember reading somewhere that we have a policy that if Israel is nuked and we don't know who did it, then our policy is to nuke everyone in the middle east who could have even harbored the "evil-doers." I'll have to see if I can find a link but I'm sure I read it on the PC Gamer forums...

That basically means that if Iran were to even sell a nuclear weapon to someone in the middle east for the purpose of attacking Israel, it would basically wipe out the majority of the Muslims in the world.

There is no way they would nuke their own holy land only to wipe themselves out.

This build up for going into Iran is just more propaganda.
Omni-Slash
and hitler wouldn't dare take over Poland.......we all know how that worked out.....your assumption that everyone is playing on the same mental field is misguided.....

yeah but Hitler had exclusive authority over his military, unlike the guy in Iran. the last 4 Iranian kings who lived in the 20th century have died in exile. This means that Ahmadinejad should be extra careful, or else his people might over turn him at any moment. Iran won't through any nuclear bombs at Israel because the third holy mosque is found in Jerusalem. If they would hurt Israel military, then they would do it with no nuclear bombs.
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Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.
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#33 Ehsannp
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Iranians are normal people like us,they do not want to kill antbody,I do know a lot of them
They just don't like the idea of zionisn
Ahmedinejah is a great leader(except being religious)and he is much more intelligent than..........Bush
sentencedogu

Ahmedinejad is a fool who worship arabs. He made our economy worse than ever.He don't know anything about personal right.

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#34 Apenoot
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Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.Marx_Brother

Why not?

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#35 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.Apenoot

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

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#36 Apenoot
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Yeah after WW2 I know.

I thought it was just some random anti-jew comment you made. Guess I was wrong, srry

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[QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.Marx_Brother

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???
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#38 greeneye59
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I think if the UN sees a problem then it's a big problem because they usually let things like this slide.  And that's good enough reason for me.  You've still got old school religious leaders controlling Iran and we all know those people are not the types you want possessing nuclear technology. 

And it strikes me as odd that they're are so many "I don't trust the gov't" people here who have nothing but trust in the Iranian gov't. 

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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.AARONRULZ1

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

no where

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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.AARONRULZ1

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

Unless there is a free strip of land not currently occupited by another country.... it isn't supposed to be anywhere.

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[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.Marx_Brother

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

Unless there is a free strip of land not currently occupited by another country.... it isn't supposed to be anywhere.

[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.jointed

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

no where

Thats racist.
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#42 edgewalker16
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why?  because that's the way our government functions.  Their belief is that if they scare enough Americans, dumb Americans, into approval, then it will give the government an excuse for their beliefs or potential actions to be carried out. 

*It's called the presidential election*

Besides, if Iran ever got nuclear missiles, couldn't they waste it on something that didn't matter...I mean, Israel has THE undisputed best airforce in the world.  It would be much more logical to tell Israel to bomb the hell out of that missile than to send 120,000 troops to stir up a conflict. 

*Sound familiar*

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Um Irans leader has said multiple times that he wants to wipe Isreal out, and destoy them.What better way then with a nuke. Remember they have no regard for human life like the US, Isreal and UN countries do, Iran would kill people without hesitation.SaintLeonidas

He said that Isreal should be wiped out......this doesnt mean that Iran would nuke them........In fact, Iran would never nuke Israel because it's "holy".....but Israel would nuke Iran anyday.

I think that Israel should be wiped of the map....not with weapons but with politics

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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.AARONRULZ1

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

Unless there is a free strip of land not currently occupited by another country.... it isn't supposed to be anywhere.

[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.jointed

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

no where

Thats racist.

How come? It isnt supposed to be there.....You're the racist one if you're giving that second thoughts

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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.AARONRULZ1

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

Unless there is a free strip of land not currently occupited by another country.... it isn't supposed to be anywhere.

[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Apenoot"]

[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]Israel shouldn't even be there in the first place.jointed

Why not?

Israel was declared over somebody elses land.

Well where else was israel supposed to be???

no where

Thats racist.

Since when is 'israel' a race? Also, I am only being anti-country, not anti-people... You should take more care when reading.

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What would prevent Iran from selling a nuke to a terrorist group?
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What would prevent Iran from selling a nuke to a terrorist group?sonicare

the same thing that would prevent Britain, France, the US and China

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]What would prevent Iran from selling a nuke to a terrorist group?jointed

the same thing that would prevent Britain, France, the US and China

Britain, France, China, and the US do not publicly support terrorist groups.  Iran has.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]What would prevent Iran from selling a nuke to a terrorist group?sonicare

the same thing that would prevent Britain, France, the US and China

Britain, France, China, and the US do not publicly support terrorist groups.  Iran has.

a) Iran wouldnt give their nukes to any terrorist group because they will need all they can get.

b) Britain, France, the US and China secretly supports terrorist groups world wide and that's almost as bad...

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]What would prevent Iran from selling a nuke to a terrorist group?jointed

the same thing that would prevent Britain, France, the US and China

Britain, France, China, and the US do not publicly support terrorist groups.  Iran has.

a) Iran wouldnt give their nukes to any terrorist group because they will need all they can get.

b) Britain, France, the US and China secretly supports terrorist groups world wide and that's almost as bad...

Are you for nuclear proliferation?  I mean seriously.  I think its a crime against humanity that the US, UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, and especially Israel have nukes.  Now we want to add a unstable theocracy to the mix?