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#1 NaturalJoe
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http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/07/09/ireland-makes-blasphemy-illegal/

For the record, I'm hoping this will not be a religious topic and more about attacks on freedom of speech.

Personally, I'm disgusted. What are your thoughts?

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#2 joesh89
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I dont believe it... as in no way can that be true.

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#3 BlackCowDeath
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That's frightening :?

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#4 NaturalJoe
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I dont believe it... as in no way can that be true.

joesh89

I hope you're right and it isn't true.

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#5 joesh89
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That's frightening :?

BlackCowDeath

big brother watches us and now there slowly putting the tape around our mouths... if that is for real, we are heading backwards.

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You sure this is real? I have doubts.:?

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#7 ASK_Story
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Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.
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#8 northlight27
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[QUOTE="joesh89"]

I dont believe it... as in no way can that be true.

NaturalJoe

I hope you're right and it isn't true.

New York Times

wtf.

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#9 cowboymonkey21
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[QUOTE="NaturalJoe"]

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

I dont believe it... as in no way can that be true.

northlight27

I hope you're right and it isn't true.

New York Times

wtf.

S***... Time we see people moving into North Ireland, by the thousands.:|

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Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story
Because this is prohibiting blasphemy all time. Not just in the class, where you teach science because it has hard evidence.

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#11 Jessicasagitta
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I'm not surprised. It's actually a lot worse than people think. I have Irish cousins and because I haven't had First Communion (or go to Church, or really be good in any way :P) I'm like the demon child of the family.

It's hard to have freedom of speech there because most of the towns are small - everyone knows each other and being social is going to Church. I know I wouldn't like to live there. Now, I definitely won't! hahaha. But yeah, I reckon we might see a few Irish immigrating overseas now... good for them!

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#12 NaturalJoe
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Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story

Like I said, I brought this article into light because I wanted it to be about freedom of speech.There is a topic already created for the debate between church and state.

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#13 Bourbons3
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I can't believe a country that is generally relatively liberal has taken a massive step backwards like this. What happened to bring this on?
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Tis truly the end of days.

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#15 GabuEx
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I can't believe a country that is generally relatively liberal has taken a massive step backwards like this. What happened to bring this on?Bourbons3

To my knowledge Ireland has never been relatively liberal when it comes to free speech. They banned Manhunt 2, too.

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#16 ASK_Story
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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.cowboymonkey21

Because this is prohibiting blasphemy all time. Not just in the class, where you teach science because it has hard evidence.

And blasphemy's a good thing? I understand on the concerns about freedom of speech and all that but here in the US, the government thinks saying "Christmas" in schools is offensive yet we can blaspheme all we want and that's okay to them. It makes no sense to me, that's all I'm saying.
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Yup.Won't be long now until "1984" is in full effect...
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#18 RobbieH1234
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We did? I hadn't noticed.

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#19 nimatoad2000
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wow, ireland just invented a time machine and went back to the middle ages.
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[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story

Because this is prohibiting blasphemy all time. Not just in the class, where you teach science because it has hard evidence.

And blasphemy's a good thing? I understand on the concerns about freedom of speech and all that but here in the US, the government thinks saying "Christmas" in schools is offensive yet we can blaspheme all we want and that's okay to them. It makes no sense to me, that's all I'm saying.

The teachers can't teach that, they can teach blasphemy because it has solid evidence.

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#21 Bourbons3
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I can't believe a country that is generally relatively liberal has taken a massive step backwards like this. What happened to bring this on?GabuEx

To my knowledge Ireland has never been relatively liberal when it comes to free speech. They banned Manhunt 2, too.

They weren't exactly Middle East-level on enforcing religion on people. This is still an unexpected law.
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#22 SirWander
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I'm speechless.

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#23 NaturalJoe
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[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story

Because this is prohibiting blasphemy all time. Not just in the class, where you teach science because it has hard evidence.

And blasphemy's a good thing? I understand on the concerns about freedom of speech and all that but here in the US, the government thinks saying "Christmas" in schools is offensive yet we can blaspheme all we want and that's okay to them. It makes no sense to me, that's all I'm saying.

It's all a matter of perspective. Must we sacrifice our beliefs for the sensitivity of other peoples beliefs?

Personally, I think religion is a luxury institution that sells piece of mind and purpose to those in our species who desire it, where as the Government is an institution designed to bring structure and order to our society in a way that stagnent beliefs in mystical deities cannot. Religion and Government will never work together. I believe Religion is a side dish, and a better method for education and development is to do thusly:

Only after a child has gone through school to learn the ways of society, can they then choose a religion. The moral obligations and laws of the Government are more important than those of a God that can't be proven to exist.

That is all.

Peace be with you.

EDIT: Damn Glitchy.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I can't believe a country that is generally relatively liberal has taken a massive step backwards like this. What happened to bring this on?Bourbons3

To my knowledge Ireland has never been relatively liberal when it comes to free speech. They banned Manhunt 2, too.

They weren't exactly Middle East-level on enforcing religion on people. This is still an unexpected law.

And I thought Ireland was moving away from the fundamentalism that use to rule many years ago.

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#25 Fandangle
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Wow, certainly a surprise.

As Michael Nugent of Atheist Ireland has pointed out:

"The proposed law does not protect religious belief; it incentivises outrage and it criminalises free speech. Under this proposed law, if a person expresses one belief about gods, and other people think that this insults a different belief about gods, then these people can become outraged, and this outrage can make it illegal for the first person to express his or her beliefs."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jul/09/ireland-blasphemy-laws

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#26 Geo119
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Really? Well, time to move out.
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#27 D3nnyCrane
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No blasphemy? THIS IS MADNESS!
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Shocking...
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#29 vitriolboy
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I look forward to police going into every church/synagogue/mosque and confiscating all those books and literature that all cause offence and outrage to each other.

I should be free to bash all religions equally.

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#30 joesh89
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I look forward to police going into every church/synagogue/mosque and confiscating all those books and literature that all cause offence and outrage to each other.

I should be free to bash all religions equally.

vitriolboy

Yeah, They will never be able to enforce it... it just wont work.

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[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story

Because this is prohibiting blasphemy all time. Not just in the class, where you teach science because it has hard evidence.

And blasphemy's a good thing? I understand on the concerns about freedom of speech and all that but here in the US, the government thinks saying "Christmas" in schools is offensive yet we can blaspheme all we want and that's okay to them. It makes no sense to me, that's all I'm saying.

So basically what I hear from you is that you're in favor of free speech if what people are saying correlates with your values but not if it doesn't? Besides, you're mixing two issues. What is taught in the classroom is not a matter of free speech, it's a matter of educational standards. What is happening in Ireland would be comprable to if you said something about your beliefs that a cop might have overhead and you got fined for it. I'm sure you wouldn't like that, so why should it be any different for anyone else's beliefs?

The whole Christmas thing is just a matter of courtesy. Christianity is not the majority religion by as much as it used to be. Classrooms are more diversified and reflect many different points of view. It's simply rude to talk to a group you know is so diverse in its beliefs as if they all share you belief simply because your belief has a longer history of being the dominant one in this country.

As for blasphemy being OK, why the hell not? Why is it that Evangelists think they can go shouting their beliefs from the proverbial mountaintops, but as soon as someone else professes a differeing belief suddenly it's a crime. I mean, the whole idea of blasphemy is totally ridiculous and outdated. It's basically saying that unless you're a Christian you're committing a crime, maybe not a legal crime everywhere but an implied moral crime by the definition of the word. I'm sure if Christianity were no longer the exception to which blasphemy didn't apply there would be a much bigger uproar about it.

And finally, look at how much this bill leaves open to interpretation. Jews can be fined for saying they don't believe Christ is the messiah? Isn't that basically saying that a majority of all Jews are completely wrong in their beliefs and can be fined just for practicing them? How the hell is that acceptable in a modern day society?

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#32 pulica_muistul
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That's sad. And it settles it, I'm never gonna move to Ireland...I start off the day with a nice hot cup of blasphemy:twisted:

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#33 RiseAgainst12
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I have never heard anything about this..

But i will say this, both governments on this Island are a joke.

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#34 tofu-lion91
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This isn't true or the person who wrote this is an idiot. "Thought Police"? I wonder where I've heard that before :roll:
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How long is it going to take for people to start doing something about the governments increasing their power and limiting our freedom?

Now we just have to make sure it doesn't spread anywhere out of those two islands, and i can tell You it is spreading. In netherlands they have begun DNA database, and has surveillance cities. In the USA too. Look, i wouldn't give a thing about You people screwing up Your countries, but this is starting to involve me.

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#36 weezyfb
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lol ireland.
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#37 ferrari2001
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If Ireland wasn't so awesome, I'd actually say something about limiting free speech.
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#38 Proobie44
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[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]No blasphemy? THIS IS MADNESS!

Madness? THIS IS IRELAND!!!!!!!!
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#39 weezyfb
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If Ireland wasn't so awesome, I'd actually say something about limiting free speech. ferrari2001
if ireland was awesome they would get the north back
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Honestly, what's the difference between this and the government prohibiting students and teachers praying, bringing the Bible, teachers saying Merry Christmas, or mentioning creation in science classes in schools here in America? Just a thought.ASK_Story
Because its a public school owned by the government.. Seriously your comparison is ridiculous, its nothing like Ireland's law..
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I look forward to police going into every church/synagogue/mosque and confiscating all those books and literature that all cause offence and outrage to each other.

I should be free to bash all religions equally.

vitriolboy
ZOMG, maybe it's a plan in disguise to get rid of religion :shock: :shock: :P
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#43 Espada12
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Back to the middle ages with them eh? What's next? An inquisition? Oh wait, they have that in the bill to :lol:

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Blasphemy! :x

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God is Dead!! (J/k and BTW that phrase is often misunderstood)
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I'm glad I live in Northern Ireland then..
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#47 Sajo7
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Wow that's downright awful.
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#48 KungfuKitten
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Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

This means atheists or any 'nonbelievers' are allowed to be angry and as a result sue preachers of any religion.
Irish people, this is Your chance to play the USA SUE GAME. See You in court!!!

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Woo, go Ireland!

(Honestly, I think that's fake)

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#50 Sajo7
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Woo, go Ireland!

(Honestly, I think that's fake)

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It's in the New York Times as well.