Is Adolf H. more evil than Stalin?

According to the wikipedia articles on Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin, Hitler's death total amounted to about 17 million, yet Stalin's death total amounted to approximately 20 and up to 30 million.

So, assuming Stalin killed 30 million people, that's about double the amount of people Hitler killed. Therefore he should be about twice as evil as Hitler was.

Yet, whenever there's a list of the most evil men in history, Hitler seems to rank higher on the list than Stalin does, although he approximately killed far less.

So why is Hitler always the "bad guy" and Stalin is always just a regular bad guy and not bad guy #1?

Is it because people knew about Hitler's genocide sooner than they knew about Stalin's genocide?

Is it because the Nuremberg War Trials focused on the Nazis' warcrimes and not on Stalins' warcrimes?

Is it because killing half as many people makes you more evil?

Is it because Russia was on the winning side of the war and Germany was on the losing side?

Is it because Stalin survived WWII while Hitler killed himself and wasn't able to right his wrongs, so to speak?

Is it because Hollywood makes WWII movies depicting Hitler and the Nazis as the spawn of Satan so people start to associate the Hollywood influence?

Is it because Hollywood is in the United States, who was a victor in the war?

Is it because the United States' economy started booming after the war and was able to afford more movies while Germany was cut up and divided and their economy went down the tubes?

Is it because much of Hollywood happens to be owned by many Jewish people and they are more likely to choose Hitler as a bad guy for their movies rather than Stalin?

Is it because the movie Saving Private Ryan happens to be a WWII movie about the American campaign into France against Germany was directed by Steven Spielberg, who happens to be Jewish?

Is it because Steven Spielberg, a Jewish movie director, also directed a movie in 1993 about the Holocaust that won best picture, Schindler's List?

I don't understand how Josef Stalin can kill twice as many people and not have Hitler's 'notoriety' as the 'most evil man in the world.' It just doesn't make sense.

Ethnic cleansing and all that crap plus Hitler publicly acknowledge that the inferior races had to go. If you kill people for lulz its some how less evil. I don't know I'm not thinking right.

Is it because Russia was on the winning side of the war and Germany was on the losing side?

QuantumNihilism

The winners are the ones who write down history.

Is it because Russia was on the winning side of the war and Germany was on the losing side?

The winners are the ones who write down history.

It's very interesting to me how Soviet Russia is so much less stigmatized than Nazi Germany. Somehow it's OK to joke around about Stalin, but if anyone mentions Hitler it's suddenly serious business.

It's very interesting to me how Soviet Russia is so much less stigmatized than Nazi Germany. Somehow it's OK to joke around about Stalin, but if anyone mentions Hitler it's suddenly serious business.

Cherokee_Jack

Bingo.

It makes no sense to ask yourself who's more evil.

They both had different motives.

Stalin for instance build workcamps in the coldest regions to develop Russia's economy. People there died of cold and were complete worn out by working there all days, even when it was deadly freezing out there. (Stalin is now (almost) considered a hero in Russia.)

Hitler wanted a true sophisticated race, there his book explains why jews, gypsy's etc. were not equilavent to the so called Aryan people. Stalin had not such ideals, but he merely wanted to silence everyone who could oppose him.

There you have it, you can't compare apples with pears or such.

Stalin for instance build workcamps in the coldest regions to develop Russia's economy. People there died of cold and were complete worn out by working there all days, even when it was deadly freezing out there. (Stalin is now (almost) considered a hero in Russia.)enfantprodigue

[QUOTE="enfantprodigue"]Stalin for instance build workcamps in the coldest regions to develop Russia's economy. People there died of cold and were complete worn out by working there all days, even when it was deadly freezing out there. (Stalin is now (almost) considered a hero in Russia.)Cherokee_Jack

Stalin wanted to silence the people who might oppose him. Ukraine wanted independence from his rule, while Stalin asked full obedience from 'his' people.

They both are terrifying leaders, though Hitler seems more idealistic and less rational then Stalin does.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="enfantprodigue"]Stalin for instance build workcamps in the coldest regions to develop Russia's economy. People there died of cold and were complete worn out by working there all days, even when it was deadly freezing out there. (Stalin is now (almost) considered a hero in Russia.)enfantprodigue

I didn't forgot that, Stalin wanted to silence the people who might oppose him. Ukraine wanted independence from his rule.

They both are terrifying leaders, though Hitler seems more idealistic and less rational then Stalin does.

Less rational?!!

Germany got the shaft after World War I, having to admit unconditional surrender and blame for the war and pay back ALL war damages for ALL countries involved, which sent it into one of the worst economic crises and hyperinflation rates in modern, if not, world history.

It should be NO SURPRISE a leader like Hitler rose, given the horrendous circumstances.

You can't base Evil-ness off amount of people killed...

Using this logic, we can see that Ted Bundy killed 35 people, thus making him 2.05882353 × 10-6 % as evil as Hitler.

Thats 0.00000205% (I think?) as evil as Hitler.

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Don't forget the forced famines.QuantumNihilism

I didn't forgot that, Stalin wanted to silence the people who might oppose him. Ukraine wanted independence from his rule.

They both are terrifying leaders, though Hitler seems more idealistic and less rational then Stalin does.

Less rational?!!

Germany got the shaft after World War I, having to admit unconditional surrender and blame for the war and pay back ALL war damages for ALL countries involved, which sent it into one of the worst economic crises and hyperinflation rates in modern, if not, world history.

It should be NO SURPRISE a leader like Hitler rose, given the horrendous circumstances.

Please, do notice seems I placed in there. I did not say, it is so.

EDIT: Maybe I should not say this, but I have read Hitler's book. That's why I was referring to 'seems more idealistic and less rational'.

You can't base Evil-ness off amount of people killed...

Using this logic, we can see that Ted Bundy killed 35 people, thus making him 2.05882353 × 10-6 % as evil as Hitler.

Thats 0.00000205% (I think?) as evil as Hitler.

havokmaster

It should be NO SURPRISE a leader like Hitler rose, given the horrendous circumstances.

[QUOTE="QuantumNihilism"]

It should be NO SURPRISE a leader like Hitler rose, given the horrendous circumstances.

GamerPro1984

[QUOTE="GamerPro1984"][QUOTE="QuantumNihilism"]

It should be NO SURPRISE a leader like Hitler rose, given the horrendous circumstances.

tonberry007

They should've let Hitler into artschool, then maybe we would've known him for the paintings he had created, instead of the holocaust.

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They should've let Hitler into artschool, then maybe we would've known him for the paintings he had created, instead of the holocaust.

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enfantprodigue

Perhaps he would've painted his vision of the holocaust and gotten praise for it?

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They should've let Hitler into artschool, then maybe we would've known him for the paintings he had created, instead of the holocaust.

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freek666

Perhaps he would've painted his vision of the holocaust and gotten praise for it?

Maybe so... the paintings he made were all (peacefull) sceneries. (As far as I have seen.) I guess if he had painted such thing, he might have done it to get into art school. Since his paintings were way out of time. Modern art was developing greatly, when Hitler took his exams.

For a moment I thought the topic title said "Is Adolf H. more evil than Satan?" My immediate thoughts were Satan telling Hitler "Now that was just plain wrong!" o.0mindstorm

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I think they were both as bad as one another, but don't the people they ruled over looked at them as heroes? Maybe it depends on how we look at it maybe?

I do not accept the term "evil".

However, I believe it was because Hitler killed people for no more a reason than there background or beliefs, that people think him to be a far worse a person.