is it foolish to not accept global warming as fact?

is it foolish not to accept global warming as fact?

it is foolish if you ask me because the earth IS warming up, but it is not up to humans to fix the "problem" even if we are the cause of it. if the earth is warming up then we'll just have to adjust to that. live near the coast? pick up your sht and move, simple as that... or drown.

so what if the ice caps are melting, move to the center of the continent. why do we need ice anyway? lush, green environments are better anyway and provide practical use. it would also be cool because we could add a sixth ring to the Olympic icon and have people rep Antarctica.

The evidence is that the earth is warming, even if you quibble about the cause. So yes, it's foolish.

inb4Hokiedenial.

It's a fact that the Earth is warming, but the cause is debatable I guess.

do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.4myAmuzumament

If it's a wasted effort that only means it fits in line with most of the ways the goverment spends(wastes) money...

do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.4myAmuzumament

do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.-Sun_Tzu-

Well its not news the environmental pollution has been affecting the Earth for a long time, just perhaps people like to avoid the fact that they are somehow responsible

I think it is more complicated than just having people at the coasts packing up and moving. The current temperate regions would become arid and uninhabitable and once frozen areas with permafrost thawing out and while becoming temperate, also uninhabitable due to being marshy peat bogs. A classic example of such an area is the Haul Road in Alaska that follows the Alaskan Pipeline. They originally cut into the permafrost and once it thawed out, it was not able to be used for it's intended purpose. They had to rethink how to put roads down up there because of that.

There is also no reason to hasten it. Man has been dangerous to the planet and is the only species that has reshaped the planet during it's lifetime. We cut mountains down so cars can travel without undue strain (there is more to it than that), we fill in valleys, divert rivers and streams, drain lakes and create them where none existed. We might not be able to undo all the damage we have done, but we can stop from doing more. Will the Earth get warmer? Yeah, especially as the Sun starts to die, but why hasten our own demise as well as the planet by hastening global warming?

Regardless of Global Warming I see no reasons why we shouldn't as a species of this world find better ways to get rid of waste and not destroy the planet. At the same time though I think this is a cycle that has always been happening and its not just because of humans. At one point ice came all the way from the north down to NY. Its no longer here and it was melting before we had cars and all the other carbon footprints we have created.

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.4myAmuzumament

Still, at least you're more honest about your motives than most denialists

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"]do you think humans should spend money trying to fix it? like what obama and crew are doing? imo it's a wasted effort.4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So it makes more sense to spend money wrecking our environment? MannyDelgado

Still, at least you're more honest about your motives than most denialists

Anything we do is futile? How is that? The earth is warming precisely because of human behavior. It doesn't make any sense to acknowledge the huge negative impact that we're having on the environment and then at the same time say that anything we do to try to mitigate that harm is futile. -Sun_Tzu-

humans are a part of nature and human civilization prospering shouldn't be held back just because of natural phenomena

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] it doesn't make sense to try and "heal" the earth. anything we do is futile. might as well adapt to the changes... plus i want a hummer when i can afford one and i don't want tree huggers hatin on me4myAmuzumament

Still, at least you're more honest about your motives than most denialists

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So it makes more sense to spend money wrecking our environment? -Sun_Tzu-

There really isn't any way to prove that the Earth is warming only because of humans though. And if one believes in evolution, warming is an entirely natural effect since humans survive by depleting/modifying the environments around them.

If humans weren't present on planet Earth, there would still come a day when Earth could no longer be sustained.

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

coolbeans90

And if one believes in evolution, this is an entirely natural effect.Blueresident87

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

4myAmuzumament

if the data shows plainly that the planet is warming and it's your political ideology preventing you from accepting the data, then yes.. that's pretty stupid. comp_atkins

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] it doesn't make sense to try and "heal" the earth. anything we do is futile. might as well adapt to the changes... plus i want a hummer when i can afford one and i don't want tree huggers hatin on meBlueresident87

There really isn't any way to prove that the Earth is warming only because of humans though. And if one believes in evolution, this is an entirely natural effect.

If humans weren't present on planet Earth, there would still come a day when Earth could no longer be sustained.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] it doesn't make sense to try and "heal" the earth. anything we do is futile. might as well adapt to the changes... plus i want a hummer when i can afford one and i don't want tree huggers hatin on me4myAmuzumament

Still, at least you're more honest about your motives than most denialists

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]And if one believes in evolution, this is an entirely natural effect.MannyDelgado

But think about it. Humans survive because of our ability to utilize resources around us in ways other species can't.

If a bear or monkey was capable of burning fuel and using hairspray because it enhanced its life in some way, it would do so.

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]It's not (mostly) about healing; it's about not making it even worse than it already is

Still, at least you're more honest about your motives than most denialists

xscrapzx

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] how? there's no practical way to do such a thing at this point in time so why waste money on minuscule scale ideas?4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]You are literally just talking out of your arse Like nothing you've said in this thread has been bolstered by the slightest shred of evidence you're rubbishMannyDelgado

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

4myAmuzumament

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] my evidence is that the earth is warming naturally and will continue to do so until it naturally decides to cool down. that's all that needs to be said really4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, it's a bit foolish. Probably should attempt to deal with it at some point.

coolbeans90

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] how? there's no practical way to do such a thing at this point in time so why waste money on minuscule scale ideas?4myAmuzumament

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

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[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

MannyDelgado

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[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Jesus, so it's not gone from not having any evidence to not even knowing what 'evidence' meansMannyDelgado

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] how? there's no practical way to do such a thing at this point in time so why waste money on minuscule scale ideas?4myAmuzumament

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] how? there's no practical way to do such a thing at this point in time so why waste money on minuscule scale ideas?4myAmuzumament

Umm, there are practical ways to reduce human impact on climate change, yes. Obviously outright eliminating the use of fossil fuels at any point in the forseeable future would be utterly futile, but hardly anyone who knows what they are talking about actually is calling for such measures.

It will make some difference, yes. As long as we're stuck on this rock, we might as well keep it good condition, which climate change is projected to adversely impact. Just because something is a "natural" consequence of action doesn't mean that it shouldn't be dealt with. I naturally need to take a sh!t around 2-4 pm daily, but I don't leave it lying around because I "should" just accept it.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] No it isn't a waste of time. If there is clear cut evidence that we are effecting it at a higher rate than what naturally occurs, then that means we are making the time frame is which this planet can sustain life that much shorter. Why on gods green earth if we have the resources of managing it and have better ways of controlling it said actions why would it be a waste to help future generations?4myAmuzumament

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="4myAmuzumament"] is reducing the human impact really going to change anything really? as long as there are sentient human beings, we will always be impacting the the climate. it's natural and we should accept things as they happen because trying to control it is a waste imo.LJS9502_basic

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