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[QUOTE="TrashBoat"]Are you ****ing me? Atheism is practically taught in schools and there are alot less Christian entertainers. Atheists are in no way victims, they are one of the most disliked groups because they are intellectual snobs who turn their nose at anyone of the Christian faith. In b4 some Atheist calls me a redneck or backwards hillbilly for being a Republican.CycleOfViolence
I'm curious as to how atheism is taught in schools.
I had a high school chemistry teacher who asked us "Why does the universe exist?" and had us turn in a written response. Then he looked at them and if anyone said "Because God made it" he said told us that we were wrong, the universe exists because the Big Bang made it. Sure, I know all about the big bang, but that's how the universe came to be, not why.[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"][QUOTE="TrashBoat"]Are you ****ing me? Atheism is practically taught in schools and there are alot less Christian entertainers. Atheists are in no way victims, they are one of the most disliked groups because they are intellectual snobs who turn their nose at anyone of the Christian faith. In b4 some Atheist calls me a redneck or backwards hillbilly for being a Republican.Acemaster27
I'm curious as to how atheism is taught in schools.
I had a high school chemistry teacher who asked us "Why does the universe exist?" and had us turn in a written response. Then he looked at them and if anyone said "Because God made it" he said told us that we were wrong, the universe exists because the Big Bang made it. Sure, I know all about the big bang, but that's how the universe came to be, not why.Any teacher worth his salt wouldn't discuss those kind of things. They usually would rather have a job then feebly attempt to crush a child's religious opinion.
The thing is, other than that he was an amazing teacher and everyone (myself included) really liked him. I remember the event clearly though because I knew at the time that it was messed up. And in a Seattle Public School there's really no way he would get fired for that--unless the administration had something against him.Any teacher worth his salt wouldn't discuss those kind of things. They usually would rather have a job then feebly attempt to crush a child's religious opinion.
Hubadubalubahu
[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]The thing is, other than that he was an amazing teacher and everyone (myself included) really liked him. I remember the event clearly though because I knew at the time that it was messed up. And in a Seattle Public School there's really no way he would get fired for that--unless the administration had something against him.Any teacher worth his salt wouldn't discuss those kind of things. They usually would rather have a job then feebly attempt to crush a child's religious opinion.
Acemaster27
It would only take one kid to go home and tell his parents. The parents would rally and pounce on the schoolboard like hyenas. Just seems to me he's walking a thin line for very little reason.
Well, religion is easier to believe in. To simply assume "God did it"; the very nature of western religions being assumption without thought, I'd say religion is easier.
but then i'd have to get up early on sunday and sit in a room full of old farts and shake hands and sing :(Well, religion is easier to believe in. To simply assume "God did it", the very nature of western religions being assumption without though, I'd say religion is easier.
TopTierHustler
I think it all depends on how "sure" someone is about their lack of belief. Is it a rejection of religious claims due to a lack of evidence supporting them, or is it a rejection based on the disgust of the teachings themselves? Personally, I never really fell into the latter category until this year, when I finally hit my "breaking point" of desperation for answers and nearly converting to Christianity. For the longest time, I felt that religion offered something I couldn't get from science, or mere indulgence in what life offers. I was asking those existentialist questions everyone asks at some point in their life. I ended up trying practically every theistic or life-denying religion from ancient times (Sumerianism and Vedism) through currently extant ancient religions (Buddhism, Islam, etc.) and even considered modern "new religious movements" (Wicca, neo-paganism, etc.). Nothing gave me the answers I needed, and through sheer frustration at the lack of progress, I think my consciousness finally "blew out" and I just realized that all I know is that I get this life, so I better enjoy it. Here is a quote I read recently that really resonates with all the time I spent studying religion: "The more I study religions, the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself." Sir Richard F. Burton It really is amusing to think that deities, in all their concepts and forms, are really just a way for humanity to externalize ideals they have for themselves, to worship themselves by proxy. It makes me wonder why we went from deities like Dionysus and reveling in sex, booze and the pleasures of life, to "God" and abstinence, teetotalling and the rejection of carnal happiness, for the slight chance we might gain greater pleasure after we leave our physical bodies behind (what are we going to enjoy if we are nothing but incorporeal energy!?). Even before I found Buddhism, I pretty much worshiped the power of sexuality, and spent the decade after that trying to find a religion that did the same. I found none, and feel like I wasted a lot of time on something I already knew as a child and teenager (the former was more a reverence for the things around me, and the simple pleasures, rather than sex).Zeviander
I freaking love you
FoolyCooly I will be your friend noone is but I support you if they do not ban me it is hard being agnostic. UnGardeSucking up to your alt? Nice.
[QUOTE="UnGarde"]FoolyCooly I will be your friend noone is but I support you if they do not ban me it is hard being agnostic. DarkOfKnightSucking up to your alt? Nice. They are friends and I am their friend only friend but still
Except in certaion places, like the middle east, what beliefs you have don't really affect your standing with others unless you're obnoxious with them, and that goes for everyone.
The internet is the only place I get mocked for being christian and the only person I know who get chewed out for their beliefs are one of my friends who converted to atheism and is going through that phase where he thinks he knows everything, so he's just incredibly annoying right now. Once he stops doing that, know one I know will care.
So, at least where I live, it's the same life for everyone.
Being an atheist in a predominantly Muslim country, I haven't noticed much hardship being directed at me from anyone else. For the vast majority of cases, I would say that from a range of least persecuted to most persecuted it's dominant religious group > nonreligious > niche religious group. The only real problems I've had to deal with as an atheist is reading all the utterly f*cking stupid arguments that religious people produce when they try to argue that I should believe in their specific religion.
Depends where you live. For me, Im 33 and my entire family is very christian and as far as they know I still believe. I won't tell them I don't because it's just not worth it. I just keep it to myself. My wife is a Christian as well and although I've shared my beliefs with her, we are on opposite sides. So overall not so easy for me...Really the only place I can share my beliefs is here and I think that is pretty cool. Yeah, not everyone will agree with my beliefs, but that's ok. At least there's a place to speak up a bit. I think many of you fail to realize that.
[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"][QUOTE="TrashBoat"]Are you ****ing me? Atheism is practically taught in schools and there are alot less Christian entertainers. Atheists are in no way victims, they are one of the most disliked groups because they are intellectual snobs who turn their nose at anyone of the Christian faith. In b4 some Atheist calls me a redneck or backwards hillbilly for being a Republican.TrashBoat
I'm curious as to how atheism is taught in schools.
The theory of evolution is taught as a fact in many schools. Because it's fact. lolololI don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
I don't know how to be an unaware dog. I am human.I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
Bigboi500
[QUOTE="TrashBoat"][QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]The theory of evolution is taught as a fact in many schools. Because it's fact. lololol And people wonder why Athiests are disliked...I'm curious as to how atheism is taught in schools.
Elann2008
[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="TrashBoat"] The theory of evolution is taught as a fact in many schools.gameking5000Because it's fact. lololol And people wonder why Athiests are disliked...I don't see why people have to draw a line in the dirt. You can be religious and believe in evolution. Not everyone who is a Christian believes every word of the Bible. There are those of us who believe that the powerful church leaders have manipulated and re-wrote parts of the Bible to suit their needs and cover up parts they don't like.
[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="TrashBoat"] The theory of evolution is taught as a fact in many schools.gameking5000Because it's fact. lololol And people wonder why Athiests are disliked...
Do they? I guess it does make more sense for the religious to pick on the people rather than their beliefs.
it is not hard at all to be atheist, agnostic, or religious. there is nothing preventing any belief, now if you want to be a vocal @sshole and attempt to impose whatever your deficient view is on others.... that is a whole other subject. even if free expression is under attack thought is still and for the foreseeable future will be free.
i wish people would stop playing the victim card, just because people call you out on being a bigoted @sshole when you call them stupid for their beliefs in an attempt to shame them into your views does not speak badly about them, it is just you being a @sshole
I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.Bigboi500People don't always choose to be atheist. And it usually is more of a choice to accept the simplest explanation rather than seeking more complicated, and fantastical reasoning. Personally, I have never experienced this "spiritual force" you speak of. I have, however, experienced the "'blinding' emotions", and should much rather rely on them, than something I cannot actually detect through neither rational nor emotive means. I find it interesting when people try and place humanity "above" animals, as if our ability to reason (or forego reason) is somehow a gift for all, and animals, in their innocent ignorance are "cursed". When I look at humanity, I see a potential for greatness among a sea of utterly disgusting brutality, intolerance and ignorance. Forgive me if I find your view of humanity to be insufficient. I prefer to view human life as merely a means to enjoy life, and revel in what pleases us.
No one "chooses" to be an atheist. It's simply a matter of not being able to believe in something you don't believe in. Belief cannot be forced.I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
Bigboi500
I just looked deep within myself and I guess my spiritual force is MIA, because it ain't there.I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
Bigboi500
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.ZevianderPeople don't always choose to be atheist. And it usually is more of a choice to accept the simplest explanation rather than seeking more complicated, and fantastical reasoning. Personally, I have never experienced this "spiritual force" you speak of. I have, however, experienced the "'blinding' emotions", and should much rather rely on them, than something I cannot actually detect through neither rational nor emotive means. I find it interesting when people try and place humanity "above" animals, as if our ability to reason (or forego reason) is somehow a gift for all, and animals, in their innocent ignorance are "cursed". When I look at humanity, I see a potential for greatness among a sea of utterly disgusting brutality, intolerance and ignorance. Forgive me if I find your view of humanity to be insufficient. I prefer to view human life as merely a means to enjoy life, and revel in what pleases us.Weren't you following the Buddhist religion at one time? If I recall correctly they shun emotions as delusions of the mind, and that avoiding them leads to true peace and happiness.
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I just looked deep within myself and I guess my spiritual force is MIA, because it ain't there. luz, no spirt bomb for you.I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I just looked deep within myself and I guess my spiritual force is MIA, because it ain't there. You'd have to abstain from worldly pleasures and distractions for a few days, and meditate to find it. Fast, avoid sex, avoid American Idol and Kanye West, the internet, music and tv. Then focus on nothing but your breathing in and out, and it shall awaken within you!I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
-Sun_Tzu-
I just looked deep within myself and I guess my spiritual force is MIA, because it ain't there. You'd have to abstain from worldly pleasures and distractions for a few days, and meditate to find it. Fast, avoid sex, avoid American Idol and Kanye West, the internet, music and tv. Then focus on nothing but your breathing in and out, and it shall awaken within you!I've actually done all of that before. Still, nothing.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
Bigboi500
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You'd have to abstain from worldly pleasures and distractions for a few days, and meditate to find it. Fast, avoid sex, avoid American Idol and Kanye West, the internet, music and tv. Then focus on nothing but your breathing in and out, and it shall awaken within you!I've actually done all of that before. Still, nothing. Hmm, a little medicinal herbage might open up the door.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I just looked deep within myself and I guess my spiritual force is MIA, because it ain't there. -Sun_Tzu-
I've actually done all of that before. Still, nothing. Hmm, a little medicinal herbage might open up the door.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You'd have to abstain from worldly pleasures and distractions for a few days, and meditate to find it. Fast, avoid sex, avoid American Idol and Kanye West, the internet, music and tv. Then focus on nothing but your breathing in and out, and it shall awaken within you!
Bigboi500
If that's what it takes to open the door I would've knocked down the entire house by now.
Hmm, a little medicinal herbage might open up the door.[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I've actually done all of that before. Still, nothing. -Sun_Tzu-
If that's what it takes to open the door I would've knocked down the entire house by now.
lolz. Small doses (in moderation mind you) it's helped to expand my mind. :P[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.ZevianderPeople don't always choose to be atheist. And it usually is more of a choice to accept the simplest explanation rather than seeking more complicated, and fantastical reasoning. Personally, I have never experienced this "spiritual force" you speak of. I have, however, experienced the "'blinding' emotions", and should much rather rely on them, than something I cannot actually detect through neither rational nor emotive means. I find it interesting when people try and place humanity "above" animals, as if our ability to reason (or forego reason) is somehow a gift for all, and animals, in their innocent ignorance are "cursed". When I look at humanity, I see a potential for greatness among a sea of utterly disgusting brutality, intolerance and ignorance. Forgive me if I find your view of humanity to be insufficient. I prefer to view human life as merely a means to enjoy life, and revel in what pleases us. So, do you view life from a very hedonistic point of view? I don't. If anything, it is far more practical to be happy and accepting of who you are, of what you have, than look towards perfection or something along those lines, like becoming rich one day. It almost makes it seem like happiness is only for a small, elite group of people, and that the poor and middle class don't deserve it at all. There are many ways to find peace with oneself, with others, and everything else, whereas happiness, like all other emotions, is transitory. It lasts only for a moment before a different emotion sets in.
Weren't you following the Buddhist religion at one time? If I recall correctly they shun emotions as delusions of the mind, and that avoiding them leads to true peace and happiness.Bigboi500Yes, there was a time that I did. Most ironically, and in-line with Buddhist philosophy, I changed. I realized that in order to be a Buddhist, one must accept the concepts of karma, samsara and "dharmas" (the little atom-like instances that make up everything)... and I just couldn't reconcile it. And very recently, I have come to gain great contempt for Buddhism, almost more than any other religion. For almost a decade, I was trying to deny not only my life, but my pleasures within it because of the "higher" ideal of so-called "enlightenment" (which ironically is just realizing one's place in the world and releasing attachment to it; i.e. trying to make it last forever). In the end, why wouldn't I want pleasure to last for as long as possible if this is the only life I get? Buddhism proceeds on the notion that we get an infinite number of "second chances" if we don't get it right in this life. I spent far... FAR to long trying to reconcile that with what I already accepted as true (which is that we die, and don't get more than one life).
I don't believe in the church's God per-se, and definitely not in that institution, just that there is an almighty Father of Creation, whether it's "the Great Seshem" or "Great Father" that some Native Americans believe, or "Allah", or "God" it doesn't really matter. I believe this God lives through his creations, and we are to blame for the heaven or hell that we create ourselves here on earth.Bigboi500I just don't see the point in externalizing the worship of ourselves onto invisible beings in the sky.
Are you ****ing me? Atheism is practically taught in schools and there are alot less Christian entertainers. Atheists are in no way victims, they are one of the most disliked groups because they are intellectual snobs who turn their nose at anyone of the Christian faith. In b4 some Atheist calls me a redneck or backwards hillbilly for being a Republican.TrashBoat
I see you're into stereo types.
I don't understand why people chose to be atheist. If you know yourself from deep within you should be able to realize that there is a spiritual force there if you can sift through your own blinding emotions. Animals don't have the ability to see it, but people do because of their self-awareness and consciousness, so simply choosing to be atheist is no better than being an unaware dog.
Bigboi500
I don't choose to be atheist. It's simply who I am. I refuse to and cannot believe in old world values and fairy tales.
I feel compelled to not give in to religion, the fear of what is after death. Only recently has humanity had the chance to refute religion; the same religions that held us back for so long and still do. I want to take that chance. Many atheists give up, often in their older years they become religious because they know they are getting closer to death. I can't do that, I'll proudly be going to my grave an atheist.
I don't hate religion, infact I'm fascinated with it. I think its time on Earth is over however, it's had its run and now its time for a new era of deeper understanding that science and knowledge has finally granted us.
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