I've always wondered, if it was illegal to download a movie online if you had already purchased the BluRay for full price. As most older PCs don't have BluRay players, and BluRay movies can't be played on iPods, is it illegal to download the video file of a DVD rip? Technically you already own the content.. :S
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
duxup
Hmm, what happens if you downloaded the HD version from iTunes or something and for some reason it ain't compatible with Zune or something.
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
th3warr1or
Hmm, what happens if you downloaded the HD version from iTunes or something and for some reason it ain't compatible with Zune or something. In legal terms you're out of luck. The content owner can legally put what restrictions they want on how you use their content.
I imagine it's the same as downloading pirated games and music.... that is, it's illegal.
Just because you've bought one copy does not automatically give you the right to obtain as many copies as you like for free, no matter what the circumstances.
Hmm that makes sense. What happens if I rip the video file directly from the DVD on my own using a codec. That being, I don't download it from anywhere. Kinda like how Digital copies work, except it's not a digital copy.
Hmm that makes sense. What happens if I rip the video file directly from the DVD on my own using a codec. That being, I don't download it from anywhere. Kinda like how Digital copies work, except it's not a digital copy. th3warr1or
Well that would be a digital copy, but that's not really relevant. Supposedly the law says that you've a right to back it up for your own use. However, the law also says bypassing any copy protection is illegal.
Downloading it period isn't legal, buying it does not change that. And no you don't own the content, the content is copyriged to the company not to you.
[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Hmm that makes sense. What happens if I rip the video file directly from the DVD on my own using a codec. That being, I don't download it from anywhere. Kinda like how Digital copies work, except it's not a digital copy. duxup
Well that would be a digital copy, but that's not really relevant. Supposedly the law says that you've a right to back it up for your own use. However, the law also says bypassing any copy protection is illegal. The catch 22....
[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Hmm that makes sense. What happens if I rip the video file directly from the DVD on my own using a codec. That being, I don't download it from anywhere. Kinda like how Digital copies work, except it's not a digital copy. LJS9502_basic
Well that would be a digital copy, but that's not really relevant. Supposedly the law says that you've a right to back it up for your own use. However, the law also says bypassing any copy protection is illegal. The catch 22.... Two sets of laws that as far as I know haven't had a conclusive face off yet.
Thus our need for a active judiciary in this nation ;)
Its still illegal its the same as buying a pirating a game for the pc because you have the same game on a console the "Why buy the same game twice" logic does not work.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="duxup"] Well that would be a digital copy, but that's not really relevant. Supposedly the law says that you've a right to back it up for your own use. However, the law also says bypassing any copy protection is illegal. duxup
The catch 22.... Two sets of laws that as far as I know haven't had a conclusive face off yet.
Thus our need for a active judiciary in this nation ;)
I'd think they'd have to back up the personal copy but if used for other means the copyright law.
Two sets of laws that as far as I know haven't had a conclusive face off yet.
Thus our need for a active judiciary in this nation ;)
I'd think they'd have to back up the personal copy but if used for other means the copyright law. Well when the idea was established that you could keep a backup for yourself there was no DRM. Then DRM appeared and the good old corporate folks got some laws passed making it illegal to bypass the security for any reason. IMO the law about bypassing DRM also conflicts with folks rights to reverse engineer products.
Well when the idea was established that you could keep a backup for yourself there was no DRM. Then DRM appeared and the good old corporate folks got some laws passed making it illegal to bypass the security for any reason. IMO the law about bypassing DRM also conflicts with folks rights to reverse engineer products.duxup
Corporate greed. I suppose they want people to rebuy for back up. I'd rather just take care of my disc. And for those less careful.....but a disc repair. You can buy digital copies now with some DVD's....
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="duxup"] Well that would be a digital copy, but that's not really relevant. Supposedly the law says that you've a right to back it up for your own use. However, the law also says bypassing any copy protection is illegal. duxup
The catch 22.... Two sets of laws that as far as I know haven't had a conclusive face off yet.
Thus our need for a active judiciary in this nation ;)
I think it was the same with VHS and home recording for a long time, at least in some countries. Technically it was illegal to record copyrighted broadcasts whether songs off the radio to tape or films off the TV to video. I have no idea what changed legislators minds on that, but I know it's now considered ok in most countries. Maybe those laws are tied in to copyright laws for digital content.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Yes, but not immoral.LJS9502_basic
Would that not depend on one's personal morality?Eh, I guess so. As far as I'm concerned, once you've bought a movie, it's yours to watch however you want.
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
duxup
This is true. You can do things with your bought DVD such as rip it but you have to keep it to yourself and not let others watch the content of the rip but even this can cause problems in court according to some of the laws.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Yes, but not immoral.Funky_Llama
Would that not depend on one's personal morality?Eh, I guess so. As far as I'm concerned, once you've bought a movie, it's yours to watch however you want. But only from the source material.....;)
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
ScreamDream
This is true. You can do things with your bought DVD such as rip it but you have to keep it to yourself and not let others watch the content of the rip but even this can cause problems in court according to some of the laws.
Hmm, so technically isn't anything in an iPod 'sue-able' then?
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Would that not depend on one's personal morality?LJS9502_basic
Eh, I guess so. As far as I'm concerned, once you've bought a movie, it's yours to watch however you want. But only from the source material.....;)Legally, yes. But morally, once you've bought it, it makes no difference; torrenting it doesn't do any harm.
That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.
th3warr1or
This is true. You can do things with your bought DVD such as rip it but you have to keep it to yourself and not let others watch the content of the rip but even this can cause problems in court according to some of the laws.
Hmm, so technically isn't anything in an iPod 'sue-able' then?
I was mentioning movies. I'm not too sure about the Ipod music since it's DRM free. Best thing is to talk to a lawyer.
It is illegal, but personally if you have one, and lets say it breaks, then you can download a new version. Whenever a song skips on my cd, I'll download a good version.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Eh, I guess so. As far as I'm concerned, once you've bought a movie, it's yours to watch however you want.Funky_Llama
But only from the source material.....;)Legally, yes. But morally, once you've bought it, it makes no difference; torrenting it doesn't do any harm. You didn't buy the copy you pirated. I see a difference in that. So morally....it's wrong.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="wayne_kar"] but your stealing for the publisher all the same. wayne_kar
What is the publisher losing? a sale Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] What is the publisher losing?jimmyjammer69
a sale Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought. That doesn't make it right. If one steals an expensive high performance car should they be excused because they never would have spent that much money on a vehicle?
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] What is the publisher losing?jimmyjammer69
a sale Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought. How does that mean that the company didn't lose money?
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] What is the publisher losing?jimmyjammer69
a sale Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought.
Additionally, bitTorrent can introduce you to a range of new artists that you may never have heard otherwise. You are then more likely to buy their CD, merchandise or see them on tour.
Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought. That doesn't make it right. If one steals an expensive high performance car should they be excused because they never would have spent that much money on a vehicle?
Its not the same thing. If i see an expensive car, and then make myself an identical copy of the car how can that be wrong?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought.
dbowman
That doesn't make it right. If one steals an expensive high performance car should they be excused because they never would have spent that much money on a vehicle?
Its not the same thing. If i see an expensive car, and then make myself an identical copy of the car how can that be wrong?
Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought. That doesn't make it right. If one steals an expensive high performance car should they be excused because they never would have spent that much money on a vehicle? Sure, it doesn't make it right. The law doesn't really allow for the infinite shades of grey that the piracy debate spans and illegal is illegal.
Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought. How does that mean that the company didn't lose money? The publisher isn't losing a sale if the downloader wouldn't have bought the song in the first place.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That doesn't make it right. If one steals an expensive high performance car should they be excused because they never would have spent that much money on a vehicle?blackngold29
Its not the same thing. If i see an expensive car, and then make myself an identical copy of the car how can that be wrong?
If you steal all of the parts it is. Perfect answer.....
[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Not in all cases. I'm sure many pirates have thousands of pounds worth of music which they would otherwise never have bought.jimmyjammer69
How does that mean that the company didn't lose money?The publisher isn't losing a sale if the downloader wouldn't have bought the song in the first place. But the song is being distributed and the copyright owning party isn't recieving compensation. It's illegal no matter how you try to spin it.
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