Is it illegal to download a movie online IF you already own the BluRay?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] How does that mean that the company didn't lose money?blackngold29

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] But only from the source material.....;)LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"] a sale

blackngold29

Because the only loss is a potential loss that assumes that the person who downloaded the music would have bought it had they not had access to the download. If they weren't going to buy it either way, then there is no loss since there was never going to be a sale from that person to begin with.

I'm not saying that makes it legal. It is still illegal. However, this is why piracy is different than theft. They both involve taking something without permission. However, piracy involves using intellectual property without permission in which doing so poses no direct loss to the copyright holder. Theft involves taking a physical entity from another party (person, store, etc) which does pose a direct loss to the owner. Put in form of an example, if I download a new CD album I have committed a crime, but the copyright holder has not lost any money. Rather they have not gained any money. In contrast, if I instead decide to head down to Best Buy and shoplift the CD, Best Buy has lost money in the form of the cost of the CD.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Legally, yes. But morally, once you've bought it, it makes no difference; torrenting it doesn't do any harm.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You didn't buy the copy you pirated. I see a difference in that. So morally....it's wrong.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]But why, if you've paid for a copy, would it matter if haven't bought the copy you've pirated?Funky_Llama

Just a quickie: Is one indidvidul downloading a film to his PC more or less of a criminal than a teacher showing a film to 20 pupils without applying for copyright permission?jimmyjammer69

I think it's illegal.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Just a quickie: Is one indidvidul downloading a film to his PC more or less of a criminal than a teacher showing a film to 20 pupils without applying for copyright permission?blackngold29

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="duxup"]

That would be illegal. Even according to the EFF's lawyers that would be illegal. You bought a disk. If you loose it or break it you didn't buy the right to DL it again or use it in another way.

duxup

Yes, but not immoral.Funky_Llama

its would be the same as walking in to a DVD retailer and just helping yourself to a free copy.

wayne_kar

also the law of copyright don't allow you to copy anything : music / movie / and even tv show you saw on TV cause you don't own the copyright to record it on either VHS /re-write-able DVD / PVR

http://www.dailytech.com/One+Nation+Under+Infringement/article9716.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/US+Court+Rules+Consumers+Never+Have+the+Right+to+Copy+DVD+Movies/article15969.htm

it seem you don't even own right to have a PVR and Record like 1-10 episode of Stargate Atlantis ? if you follow the law

There's a difference between distribution and use.

Distribution is illegal. Use is not. If you are downloading something it's up to the distributor to ensure it's legal, not the person that is going to use it. So downloading isn't illegal. Bittorrent on the other hand distributes while you are download so you can face charges if you use that hand don't have copyright permission.

Also if you want to break any sort of copyright protection you can also legally do that as long as you don't distribute any tools, software or instuctions on how to break copyright protection. On games and such breaking copyright protection, or altering the software in any way often breaks the EULA, but that only means that they will no longer provide service it doesn't allow them to press charges (in some rare cases you could be charged w/ hacking, but you can easily tell the difference).