Is it more insulting...

f***ing greedy Americans, expecting to make $100 in tips every night on top of their hourly wages.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]f***ing greedy Americans, expecting to make $100 in tips every night on top of their hourly wages.UCF_Knight

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]f***ing greedy Americans, expecting to make $100 in tips every night on top of their hourly wages.Nibroc420

If they live in America, it would be illegal for them to make $4/hr, and I'd suggest you'd let them in on that fact.Nibroc420

Yeah that's not how it works

If your total weekly income doesn't amount to at least minimum wage, you get payed the difference. Which doesn't change the fact they work many hours for very little, only to be randomly bumped up to minimum wage by a generous diner.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]If they live in America, it would be illegal for them to make $4/hr, and I'd suggest you'd let them in on that fact.UCF_Knight

Yeah that's not how it works

If your total weekly income doesn't amount to at least minimum wage, you get payed the difference. Which doesn't change the fact they work many hours for very little, only to be randomly bumped up to minimum wage by a generous diner.

I know people that make $4 an hourUCF_Knight

Care to explain?Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Care to explain?UCF_Knight

I'm just curious how you can maintain that your position that you know people who make $4/hr. Yet you understand that they CANT make only $4/hr, they have to make minimum. And you defend the fact that someone can make $4/hr, legally, despite acknowledging their employers have to make the difference up. Nibroc420

They receive two checks.

One for tips they have received. One for hourly wage.

The hourly wage check says 4.35 per hour. This is not a difficult concept. That is their hourly wage. I'm not arguing they MAKE 4.35, but to believe that most EXPECT 100 a night is completely ridiculous when most are grateful when they reach minimum wage.

most are grateful when they reach minimum wage.

UCF_Knight

Then why complain when they're not getting tipped?

They'd make the same.

EDIT:

Why should someone be grateful that they're making minimum wage?
They cant make less than minimum wage, that's why it's called minimum wage.

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]most are grateful when they reach minimum wage.

Nibroc420

Then why complain when they're not getting tipped?

They'd make the same.

If tipping wasn't used to recognize hard work, a lot of waiters/waitresses would likely not be as helpful.UCF_Knight

Tips SHOULD be used to recognize hard workNibroc420

not as some "Hey i got you your coffee that I'm going to charge you for, now pay me for walking from the coffee pot to you." while they frown and neglect to refill drinks or they spend 2 hours getting you food.

This thread is full of people with the mindset of "People who dont tip are *****", when in reality, it's the people who aren't getting tipped, because they're not deserving of the tips, who are the *****.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Tips SHOULD be used to recognize hard workUCF_Knight

not as some "Hey i got you your coffee that I'm going to charge you for, now pay me for walking from the coffee pot to you." while they frown and neglect to refill drinks or they spend 2 hours getting you food.

This thread is full of people with the mindset of "People who dont tip are *****", when in reality, it's the people who aren't getting tipped, because they're not deserving of the tips, who are the *****.

Tipping is not mandatory, and should not be expected, as it is throughout the USA.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I'm someone who sees tipping as something extra. A show of gratitude. A reward. That means: if you b*tch about a "small" 10% tip you are an absolute c*nt to me. That's crying at birthday presents tier. I'm a great tipper and customer but the obligation thing really has to die several deaths. That's something between you and your employer. People who put their signatures on the physical contract (that includes you sweetie). Not me. The same employer who is legally required to pay the difference between the minimum wage and your regular wage plus tips, by the way.Nibroc420

Personally i feel that employers shouldnt have to make up the difference, but rather than them making $8/hr (or whatever the minimum is), give them like 6.50 and tips. Or just give them 8/hr and having tipping be a "thanks man, you were quick and got me my food/drinks real fast", instead of something mandatory. because it sure isn't mandatory anywhere else.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I'm someone who sees tipping as something extra. A show of gratitude. A reward. That means: if you b*tch about a "small" 10% tip you are an absolute c*nt to me. That's crying at birthday presents tier. I'm a great tipper and customer but the obligation thing really has to die several deaths. That's something between you and your employer. People who put their signatures on the physical contract (that includes you sweetie). Not me. The same employer who is legally required to pay the difference between the minimum wage and your regular wage plus tips, by the way.Dark__Link

Personally i feel that employers shouldnt have to make up the difference, but rather than them making $8/hr (or whatever the minimum is), give them like 6.50 and tips. Or just give them 8/hr and having tipping be a "thanks man, you were quick and got me my food/drinks real fast", instead of something mandatory. because it sure isn't mandatory anywhere else.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]To answer the TC. It's more insulting to have them complain to your manager. Not tipping = they know that you're making hourly. Tipping (regardless of amount) = you deserve something extra. Even if their tip is the change they dont want to carry, it's something you didn't previously have.Nibroc420

Apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Some servers will actually make minimum wage PLUS their tips.
And will try to pretend that they only make tips, in an effort to keep patrons tipping.

Personally i feel that employers shouldnt have to make up the difference, but rather than them making $8/hr (or whatever the minimum is), give them like 6.50 and tips. Or just give them 8/hr and having tipping be a "thanks man, you were quick and got me my food/drinks real fast", instead of something mandatory. because it sure isn't mandatory anywhere else.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] In the case of $0.50, or $1, sure. It's a tiny amount, but it's not symbolically tiny (unless it's on a $200 order or something). But if they leave a penny, the customer's rationale clearly wasn't that their waiter deserved something extra, unless you count a passive-aggressive "f*ck you" as something extra. A penny is worth so little that it's an intentional insult... how do you not get that?WhiteKnight77

Apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

I never tip but then again, in my country we dont have that obligation like in the states

THE_DRUGGIE

It's not an obligation, it's basic human decency.

What a dumb thing to say. Tipping is nothing more than a cultural thing.

some states require employers to only have to make up the differenceNibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]some states require employers to only have to make up the differenceMrGeezer

I don't tip.

I just roll that way.

[QUOTE="TAMKFan"]

I never really understood the concept of tipping. Tipping isn't even a common practice in a lot of countries, unlike the US. The waiters should be getting paid more by their boss, not us.

thegerg

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="TAMKFan"]

I never really understood the concept of tipping. Tipping isn't even a common practice in a lot of countries, unlike the US. The waiters should be getting paid more by their boss, not us.

Nibroc420

With slim profit margins of restaurants, in the 3-7% range, there isn't much wiggle room for them to increase prices if they had to pay increased wages, at least here in the US. 60% of restaurants here in the US fail due to many factors and failing at basic busniness practices is one of them.

The Average Profit Margin for a Restaurant shows that a full service restaurant has profit margins from 1.8% to 3.5% with 33% of every dollar going towards wages. Limited service restaurants make up to 6% as they only pay 29% of a dollar in wages.

small tip isn't insulting if the bill isn't large