Is it not in a way immoral to worship the abrahamic God?

Most religions seem to indicate that you're not to question god himself, he's bigger than you can perceive, you can't fully understand him, and so on. The judgments you're making would seem to violate those rules.

Also as you said there is confusing if he even exists. If you don't know if something exists I'm not sure you can lay down such certain judgments about it.

Most religions seem to indicate that you're not to question god himself, he's bigger than you can perceive, you can't fully understand him, and so on. The judgments you're making would seem to violate those rules.

Also as you said there is confusing if he even exists. If you don't know if something exists I'm not sure you can lay down such certain judgments about it.

duxup

When I think of God, I think of Dr Manhattan.

Attached to the world, but so outside of it he can actually see something in it we can't.

[QUOTE="duxup"]

Most religions seem to indicate that you're not to question god himself, he's bigger than you can perceive, you can't fully understand him, and so on. The judgments you're making would seem to violate those rules.

Also as you said there is confusing if he even exists. If you don't know if something exists I'm not sure you can lay down such certain judgments about it.

PC_Gamer_7

Many religions seem to imply that you're not going to grock it all, or even have teachings that say you simply you're not going to understand it all. Knowing that it would be hard to me if I were wearing the hat of someone religious to judge God and make certain conclusions about him simply based on my perceptions. IMO there is just no getting around that much of faith is in fact belief in something you don't quite fully understand and belief without hard evidence.

I also don't necessary think that if god is all powerful and created the world that he then is responsible for say everything that happens. I think it is possible for him to wave the wand, make a universe or world and then be hands off.

there is this little thing called "free will" and if he intereferes with our free will he is not much of a God.

He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? PC_Gamer_7

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

I think the world would be a better place is mankind would stop lying (9th) and always told the truth. That would drastically change our gov't and our way of life. I think things would be better if man would obey the 6th commandment and stop killing each other which, according to Matthew 5-7, includes hateing others and making fun of them.There would be no need for alarms systems. No need for the police for homicide detectives. No need for a military because man wouldn't be killing each other. I could go on but you get the point. The world is the way it is not because of God but because of man's evil heart.

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? maheo30

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

I think the world would be a better place is mankind would stop lying (9th) and always told the truth. That would drastically change our gov't and our way of life. I think things would be better if man would obey the 6th commandment and stop killing each other which, according to Matthew 5-7, includes hateing others and making fun of them.There would be no need for alarms systems. No need for the police for homicide detectives. No need for a military because man wouldn't be killing each other. I could go on but you get the point. The world is the way it is not because of God but because of man's evil heart.

Maheo30, how dare you alter the 10 commandments, written directly by our God, Clint Eastwood, in The Holy Clint. They are as follows:

1. Thou shalt watch and praise Unforgiven, the greatest movie ever made

2. Thou shalt not commit murder, unless it be with a .44 magnum.

3. Before killing thine enemies with thy .44 magnum, thou shalt sayeth unto them: "You gotta ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"

4. Thou shalt not train girls in boxing, save when Morgan Freeman doth request so.

5. Thou shalt drive a 1972 Gran Torino.

6. Thou shalt frighten thine enemies with long, badass stares.

7. Thou shalt not murder thine friend, whom you suspect hath killed thy daughter, save shouldst thou knoweth for certain that he didst kill her.

8. Thou shalt not steal. If thou doth steal, then thou must doeth so by turning in an outlaw, collecting the reward money, and then proceeding to shoot him down whilst he is being hanged. Then, thou shalt repeat this process.

9. Thou shalt worhsip no god save Clint Eastwood, and his only son as Bruce Willis.

10. Yippie-kai-yay, mother *******.

I think it is possible for him to wave the wand, make a universe or world and then be hands off.

duxup

See, I believe that is what God chose to do.

I think he may intervene at certain points. Why he does this I do not know, but I wonder?

i.e. Sodom & Gomorrah, Noah, Jesus, Job

10. Yippie-kai-yay, mother *******.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? maheo30

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

I think the world would be a better place is mankind would stop lying (9th) and always told the truth. That would drastically change our gov't and our way of life. I think things would be better if man would obey the 6th commandment and stop killing each other which, according to Matthew 5-7, includes hateing others and making fun of them.There would be no need for alarms systems. No need for the police for homicide detectives. No need for a military because man wouldn't be killing each other. I could go on but you get the point. The world is the way it is not because of God but because of man's evil heart.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I think it is possible for him to wave the wand, make a universe or world and then be hands off.

clayron

See, I believe God chose to do.

I think he may intervene at certain points. Why he does this I do not know, but I wonder?

i.e. Sodom & Gomorrah, Noah, Jesus, Job

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? PC_Gamer_7

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

I think the world would be a better place is mankind would stop lying (9th) and always told the truth. That would drastically change our gov't and our way of life. I think things would be better if man would obey the 6th commandment and stop killing each other which, according to Matthew 5-7, includes hateing others and making fun of them.There would be no need for alarms systems. No need for the police for homicide detectives. No need for a military because man wouldn't be killing each other. I could go on but you get the point. The world is the way it is not because of God but because of man's evil heart.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]10. Yippie-kai-yay, mother *******.

T_P_O

I am glad you appreciate the teachings of The Holy Clint, for those who reject the word of the almight Clint Eastwood and Bruce Willis, his son and our savior, are condemned to an eternity in Hell, forced to watch Keanu Reeves movies forever more.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]I think it is possible for him to wave the wand, make a universe or world and then be hands off.

duxup

See, I believe God chose to do.

I think he may intervene at certain points. Why he does this I do not know, but I wonder?

i.e. Sodom & Gomorrah, Noah, Jesus, Job

For the most part I believe he is.

But that doesnt change the fact that it is God who made humans so unequal, gave some so much and gave some so little. Inequality between humans is one of the prime reasons why there is so much mess in the world.PC_Gamer_7

He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? PC_Gamer_7

*sigh* Here we go again.:P

Inequality brought on by themselves. This isn't the way God created the world. he created it perfect. But man rebelled and sought out sin. This is the result.

maheo30

I agree.

I, however, do not hate God. But, I will admit I am selfish, and there is sin I indulge in.

:D Wow, I think I just grew up a little.

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? topsemag55

*sigh* Here we go again. You and crushmaster should meet sometime.:P

I really don't think the OP deserved the Tommy Lee Jones skepticism pic... :?

Inequality brought on by themselves. This isn't the way God created the world. he created it perfect. But man rebelled and sought out sin. This is the result.maheo30

Whether these threads go in one direction or the other, you have to admit they are getting kind of old, chessmaster.:P

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]But that doesnt change the fact that it is God who made humans so unequal, gave some so much and gave some so little. Inequality between humans is one of the prime reasons why there is so much mess in the world.Engrish_Major

Inequity is created by people alone.

Where the inequity is established is the value people place on respective talents.

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Inequality brought on by themselves. This isn't the way God created the world. he created it perfect. But man rebelled and sought out sin. This is the result.Engrish_Major

The funniest part is, neither Adam nor Eve was condemned to Hell, according to Christian mythology. They were cast from paradise as punishment for eating the apples, but were to rejoin God in heaven following their deaths. The reason for this was because they, unlike Satan, had been deceived into going against God's will, whereas Satan had thought of the idea to rebel against God himself.

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Inequality brought on by themselves. This isn't the way God created the world. he created it perfect. But man rebelled and sought out sin. This is the result.Engrish_Major

That has happened over years.

People have made strides to separate those people, and create distinctions between them.

If God did interfere at any, and every point, to make the world forever fair people would piss and moan about not having the supposed free will we are supposed to have.

Whether these threads go in one direction or the other, you have to admit they are getting kind of old, chessmaster.:P

topsemag55

Oh, I completely agree. TLJ is just reserved for posts that are stupid :P. The OP wasn't really stupid.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="maheo30"] Inequality brought on by themselves. This isn't the way God created the world. he created it perfect. But man rebelled and sought out sin. This is the result.chessmaster1989

The funniest part is, neither Adam nor Eve was condemned to Hell, according to Christian mythology. They were cast from paradise as punishment for eating the apples, but were to rejoin God in heaven following their deaths. The reason for this was because they, unlike Satan, had been deceived into going against God's will, whereas Satan had thought of the idea to rebel against God himself.

I did not know that.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] If billions of people suffer and starve as punishment for some girl eating an apple thousands of years ago, then god certainly isn't good, and doesn't deserve worship.clayron

The funniest part is, neither Adam nor Eve was condemned to Hell, according to Christian mythology. They were cast from paradise as punishment for eating the apples, but were to rejoin God in heaven following their deaths. The reason for this was because they, unlike Satan, had been deceived into going against God's will, whereas Satan had thought of the idea to rebel against God himself.

I did not know that.

Reading Paradise Lost, even though I was bored out of my mind by it (the only interesting part was the portrayal of Satan), at least taught me a little more about Christian mythology :).

Reading Paradise Lost, even though I was bored out of my mind by it (the only interesting part was the portrayal of Satan), at least taught me a little more about Christian mythology :).

chessmaster1989

I will look into reading it.

I really need to pick up a Bible though beforehand.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Reading Paradise Lost, even though I was bored out of my mind by it (the only interesting part was the portrayal of Satan), at least taught me a little more about Christian mythology :).

clayron

I will look into reading it.

I really need to pick up a Bible though beforehand.

Meh, don't bother. If you want to read a good epic, read The Iliad, The Odyssey, or The Aeneid. I also just started Dante's Inferno last night, and am enjoying it so far. But, the first three I mentioned are all absolutely amazing; both The Iliad and The Odyssey would make my top 10 books/epics of all time.

Meh, don't bother. If you want to read a good epic, read The Iliad, The Odyssey, or The Aeneid. I also just started Dante's Inferno last night, and am enjoying it so far. But, the first three I mentioned are all absolutely amazing; both The Iliad and The Odyssey would make my top 10 books/epics of all time.

chessmaster1989

I am currently rereading The Odyssey Robert Fa'gles Translation.

I have never read the other two though

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Meh, don't bother. If you want to read a good epic, read The Iliad, The Odyssey, or The Aeneid. I also just started Dante's Inferno last night, and am enjoying it so far. But, the first three I mentioned are all absolutely amazing; both The Iliad and The Odyssey would make my top 10 books/epics of all time.

clayron

I am currently rereading The Odyssey Robert Fa'gles Translation.

I have never read the other two though

The Iliad is also by Homer, and The Aeneid is by Virgil. I'd recommend reading The Iliad before The Aeneid.

The Iliad is also by Homer, and The Aeneid is by Virgil. I'd recommend reading The Iliad before The Aeneid.

chessmaster1989

I am definitely going to read it.

I really don't think the OP deserved the Tommy Lee Jones skepticism pic... :?

chessmaster1989

Its immortal to worship all false gods.

Bow before the one true god!

:P

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]But that doesnt change the fact that it is God who made humans so unequal, gave some so much and gave some so little. Inequality between humans is one of the prime reasons why there is so much mess in the world.clayron

Inequity is created by people alone.

Where the inequity is established is the value people place on respective talents.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Which is also why so many of us don't believe in a god, or at least a good one.PC_Gamer_7

Inequity is created by people alone.

Where the inequity is established is the value people place on respective talents.

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"][QUOTE="clayron"]

Inequity is created by people alone.

Where the inequity is established is the value people place on respective talents.

T_P_O

Ugly is subjective.

A physical/mentally deformity is not always the basis of inequity.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]So if a person is born ugly or deformed than that was also created by humans??clayron

Ugly is subjective.

A physical/mentally deformity is not always the basis of inequity.

I don't believe in God, so he can't be unfair to me.

Anyway /my say in the thread

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]He is omnipotent and omniscient, despite that he makes humans with such cruel inequalities and leaves complete confusion on whether there is an afterlife or not.. He is omniscient which means that He is fully aware of "human feelings" and thus there is no chance that He is unaware of how cruel some of His "tests" are. He is omnipotent which means that He is not at all limited to giving every human a test but still He continues to. The world really SHOULD be a much better place today in the presence of such a God. I am a christian myself and strongly believe in God, but this "thing/idea" has REALLY struck me. So whether He exists or not, do you agree that it is sorta immoral to worship such a God? maheo30

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

I think the world would be a better place is mankind would stop lying (9th) and always told the truth. That would drastically change our gov't and our way of life. I think things would be better if man would obey the 6th commandment and stop killing each other which, according to Matthew 5-7, includes hateing others and making fun of them.There would be no need for alarms systems. No need for the police for homicide detectives. No need for a military because man wouldn't be killing each other. I could go on but you get the point. The world is the way it is not because of God but because of man's evil heart.

the world is the way it is because if it was anyother way we wouldnt be here to witness it.

I think this thread needs some of this

it aint about how hard you hit

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"] Maybe it's because it's late, but that won't make sense to me, could you repeat it please?PC_Gamer_7

Ugly is subjective.

A physical/mentally deformity is not always the basis of inequity.

No, ugly is actually subjective. There is no universal measure of attractiveness. The attractiveness scale would need to be created by persons, there is no universal measure of beauty. Redundant, I know. What some people find attractive may be unattractive to another....it is all subjective.

There is no facts you speak of. Whether you believe in God or not I could not care less, but you are applying your own, or at least a human, definition of fairness to God.

That's unfair.

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"][QUOTE="clayron"]

Ugly is subjective.

A physical/mentally deformity is not always the basis of inequity.

clayron

No, ugly is actually subjective. There is no universal measure of attractiveness. The attractiveness scale would need to be created by persons, there is no universal measure of beauty. Redundant, I know. What some people find attractive may be unattractive to another....it is all subjective.

There is no facts you speak of. Whether you believe in God or not I could not care less, but you are applying your own, or at least a human, definition of fairness to God.

That's unfair.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="PC_Gamer_7"]Nop it's not really. Some people ARE ugly and even if they arent ugly in the eyes of every individual, they will still be a less than 5/10 on the attractiveness scale for like 99% of the whole population, that's not fair at all. I dont know why people intentionally ignore FACTS that no matter how you cut it, God is "really" unfair as far as this world is concerned. We donot know what's gonna happen after this life so we cant say anything for certain about it.PC_Gamer_7

No, ugly is actually subjective. There is no universal measure of attractiveness. The attractiveness scale would need to be created by persons, there is no universal measure of beauty. Redundant, I know. What some people find attractive may be unattractive to another....it is all subjective.

There is no facts you speak of. Whether you believe in God or not I could not care less, but you are applying your own, or at least a human, definition of fairness to God.

That's unfair.

If I answer those questions with anyone I know then you will say it does not matter because you do not know them.