Is it rape?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="dooly420"]it's not like the events would have happened any different if he had pointed a wad of cash at her instead of a gun. everything would have happened the exact same way.dooly420

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Nope. Because this case still lacks any form of consent on behalf of the female, and legally that is defined as rape or sexual assault.

If the service was provided and the guy ran off, then maybe - but this was being forced at gunpoint against her will.

ghoklebutter

See, this is where people failed to read the linked to article. If you had read it, you would have seen that she had consented to sex to begin with and there was an agreed to price. Once the original sex act was complete, the man pulled again and said that he would not pay for it. That right there is theft of services. Once he had her at gunpoint, he forced her to have sex with him again and then others. That is rape.

This is why it is actually both and not just rape.

I may have misread it too, but she did consent to sex. If a woman agrees to sex, it isn't rape and in that case, the judge was right, theft of services. It just happens that the service provided is sex.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="dooly420"]it's not like the events would have happened any different if he had pointed a wad of cash at her instead of a gun. everything would have happened the exact same way.dooly420

It's a prostitute and he simply had sex without paying. It's theft.

It's a prostitute and he simply had sex without paying. It's theft.

StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

It's a prostitute and he simply had sex without paying. It's theft.

ghoklebutter

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] He used the gun as a threat in order to coerce her. There's an obvious difference.toast_burner

Well, it's rape either way.

Was she still working? Then it's rape and stolen service.

If she was off-duty, it's simply rape.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

It's a prostitute and he simply had sex without paying. It's theft.

StealthMonkey4

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

It's a prostitute and he simply had sex without paying. It's theft.

StealthMonkey4

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

prostitution is illegal, last time i checked. so it doesn't matter if she was a prostitute.mrmusicman247

Depends on the country. It's legal here that still doesn't mean it's ok to rape them.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dooly420"] as opposed to using money coerce her? the broad's a hooker, she knew the risks of the trade when she got in it. this is like if a drug dealer called the cops because his customer robbed him of the drugs.dooly420

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because someone is a prostitute does not mean they can be forced into sex. Your attitude is disgusting....toast_burner

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dooly420"] as opposed to using money coerce her? the broad's a hooker, she knew the risks of the trade when she got in it. this is like if a drug dealer called the cops because his customer robbed him of the drugs.dooly420

For a price, not upon threat of being shot. And you sound like a deplorable person.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] yes go ahead and ignore the part where she was raped at gunpoint by several men ghoklebutter

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

She's a prostitute, she wasn't forced. She would've done it for cash, and simply didn't get paid. It's theft.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

StealthMonkey4

She's a prostitute, she wasn't forced. She would've done it for cash, and simply didn't get paid. It's theft.

No she was held up at gun point, then forced to have sex with them.

If it was the other way round then it would still be rape bydeception

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] yes go ahead and ignore the part where she was raped at gunpoint by several men nocoolnamejim

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

She's a prostitute, who cares. You can't rape a prostitute, it's just called stealing. The judge agrees it is stealing too. I don't see the argument.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

StealthMonkey4

She's a prostitute, she wasn't forced. She would've done it for cash, and simply didn't get paid. It's theft.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

StealthMonkey4

She's a prostitute, who cares. You can't rape a prostitute, it's just called stealing. The judge agrees it is stealing too. I don't see the argument.

It's incredibly distressing for me to see how many rape apologists are still out there. I wish social change wasn't so painfully slow. ghoklebutter

Based off the last few theft comments I wish people weren't so painfully slow.

How many times does it need to be explained?

It's not theft since the service is illegal. It is rape.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because someone is a prostitute does not mean they can be forced into sex. Your attitude is disgusting....nocoolnamejim

I personally have had sex with prostitutes on more than one occasion, I was gentle with them. They are human beings, I noticed one time that the woman who I was with had a large bruise on her leg, sadly some people treat them roughly.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

StealthMonkey4

She's a prostitute, who cares. You can't rape a prostitute, it's just called stealing. The judge agrees it is stealing too. I don't see the argument.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] It's incredibly distressing for me to see how many rape apologists are still out there. I wish social change wasn't so painfully slow. ghoklebutter

Anyone that would stalk, rape and murder a woman that's provocatively dressed would do the same with a woman that's dressed modestly. It's not like showing skin brings out some killer instinct.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, she had sex with men who didn't pay. She's a prostitute, it can't be considered rape just because they didn't pay.

StealthMonkey4

She's a prostitute, who cares. You can't rape a prostitute, it's just called stealing. The judge agrees it is stealing too. I don't see the argument.

I wouldn't call that rape, because she was a prostitute. Once you turn your sex organs into a tool for your business, they're no different than a carpenter's hammer and nails. I guess I would equate this case with someone accusing me of rape if I put a gun to a taxi driver's head and told him he had to bring some of my friends and I to a destination for free. It's a theft of service.

Being a prostitute does not waive your right to give consent or not. It was rape.XilePrincess

The hell it doesn't. If a person has established that their sex organs are a means of making a living, then they are no different from any other tool that someone uses for business.

EDIT- To clarify, I'm not saying that the judge made a good legal ruling. I'm not aware of a precedent to support his ruling. I just think he made the right ruling in terms of reality. If someone has turned sex into their business, then forcing them to have sex is no different than forcing a cashier to open the safe at gunpoint.

Anyone that would stalk, rape and murder a woman that's provocatively dressed would do the same with a woman that's dressed modestly. It's not like showing skin brings out some killer instinct.

zeldaluff

I wouldn't call that rape, because she was a prostitute. Once you turn your sex organs into a tool for your business, they're no different than a carpenter's hammer and nails. I guess I would equate this case with someone accusing me of rape if I put a gun to a taxi driver's head and told him he had to bring some of my friends and I to a destination for free. It's a theft of service.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]Being a prostitute does not waive your right to give consent or not. It was rape.hartsickdiscipl

The hell it doesn't. If a person has established that their sex organs are a means of making a living, then they are no different from any other tool that someone uses for business.