I have never understood the whole tipping thing. However, here in NZ, I've found playing like it should be the done thing is an excellent way to gain a bar girl's attention.
I ordered lunch today from Papa Ginos and according to their web site, my order should have come to $7.64 with sales tax. When the driver arrived, the total was $9.48. I only had $10 with me so I gave him all $10 and let him keep the change, which turned out to only be 52 cents. I was planning on giving him a bigger tip, but since the total was almost $2 more than I was expecting it to be, I was stuck.
The driver looked a little upset at the small tip. But I figured a small tip was better than no tip at all. Was I wrong? Is a small tip more insulting than no tip at all?
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Nope. I never tip good, sure it makes you feel like a dick. But what's the point in wasting all that money to tip a guy for a job I could do myself?
Because you DIDN'T do it yourself. When you have other people do stuff for you, it is customary to pay them.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Ugh, I hate tipping threads. So many people are awful at tipping. If you don't want to tip, go pick it up AT the store. I agree. It reminds me of this one Dilbert where Alice is "Dating a Sociopath". He takes her out to dinner, and, once they get there, says to Alice, "Tipping's optional so I never do it." Alice asks, wide-eyed,"Have you ever eaten here before?" In the next panel, the waitress comes by and says,"Here's your bread." and tosses it at Alice's date's face.
[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Ugh, I hate tipping threads. So many people are awful at tipping. If you don't want to tip, go pick it up AT the store. I agree. It reminds me of this one Dilbert where Alice is "Dating a Sociopath". He takes her out to dinner, and, once they get there, says to Alice, "Tipping's optional so I never do it." Alice asks, wide-eyed,"Have you ever eaten here before?" In the next panel, the waitress comes by and says,"Here's your bread." and tosses it at Alice's date's face. That sounds like a good reason to sue :D There is no obligation to tip - if you're so depressed over earning below minimum wage then call a strike.
That sounds like a good reason to sue :D There is no obligation to tip - if you're so depressed over earning below minimum wage then call a strike. Famiking
[QUOTE="Famiking"]That sounds like a good reason to sue :D There is no obligation to tip - if you're so depressed over earning below minimum wage then call a strike. Jandurin
Flamebait is flamebait. Your post was just as much of a flamebait as mine ;)
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Famiking"]That sounds like a good reason to sue :D There is no obligation to tip - if you're so depressed over earning below minimum wage then call a strike. Famiking
Flamebait is flamebait. Your post was just as much of a flamebait as mine ;) No, my post was just as pointless, but did not incite flames in any sense. Yours was intended to provoke a negative reaction.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Flamebait is flamebait. Your post was just as much of a flamebait as mine ;) No, my post was just as pointless, but did not incite flames in any sense. Yours was intended to provoke a negative reaction. How so? One could argue you calling other posts flamebait, is flamebait.
[QUOTE="Famiking"]How so? One could argue you calling other posts flamebait, is flamebait. If your post hadn't had the words "depressed" and given the advice to "get a new job" I might have agreed. Your post was too blatant, so I can't agree in this situation. Probably I should have just reported you for trolling, but I don't do that. Depending on the mod, I'd say if my post was reported, I'd have a 50% chance of getting some sort of point loss, but that's just because the mod system is flawed. Regardless, your post was unnecessary, a complete tangent, and you've been in these arguments before, so you know the reasons behind tipping. Particularly in the US. If you don't agree with them, don't get delivery or eat at restaurants here.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Famiking"]How so? One could argue you calling other posts flamebait, is flamebait. If your post hadn't had the words "depressed" and given the advice to "get a new job" I might have agreed. Your post was too blatant, so I can't agree in this situation. Probably I should have just reported you for trolling, but I don't do that. Depending on the mod, I'd say if my post was reported, I'd have a 50% chance of getting some sort of point loss, but that's just because the mod system is flawed. Regardless, your post was unnecessary, a complete tangent, and you've been in these arguments before, so you know the reasons behind tipping. Particularly in the US. If you don't agree with them, don't get delivery or eat at restaurants here. I did not say get a new job, nor did I imply it :| Calling a strike is entirely in your favour and is your choice - though I'm not sure about the US, can you get fired for striking?
I did not say get a new job, nor did I imply it :| Calling a strike is entirely in your favour and is your choice - though I'm not sure about the US, can you get fired for striking?Famiking
There's no REASON to strike, as tips actually work in the favor of the employee. Except for when people don't tip. Tips are better for EVERYONE. Better for the employee, employer, AND the consumer. As long as the consumer continues tipping at least some minimum amount (for decent service), anyhow. On that note, yes, I'm sure you could lose your job for "striking" lol. There aren't unions for restaurant/food delivery places. Many are family owned.
i was a delivery driver for pizza hut for a few years in college... a small tip is definitely more annoying imo than no tip because the person thought about tipping and assumed $0.23 would be a good tip... which is just stupid.. on an avg. bill of ~ $10 at least $1 - $2 is fair.. especially when we're out there in a rain and snow and stuff.. and we remembered which houses the cheap folks lived in... next time around maybe we'd take the extra-long route to get to your house....
[QUOTE="Famiking"]I did not say get a new job, nor did I imply it :| Calling a strike is entirely in your favour and is your choice - though I'm not sure about the US, can you get fired for striking?Jandurin
There's no REASON to strike, as tips actually work in the favor of the employee. Except for when people don't tip. Tips are better for EVERYONE. Better for the employee, employer, AND the consumer. As long as the consumer continues tipping at least some minimum amount (for decent service), anyhow. On that note, yes, I'm sure you could lose your job for "striking" lol. There aren't unions for restaurant/food delivery places. Many are family owned. How are tips better for the employee? The tips cover up what would have been his wage, balanced out by the good, bad and average tips. It's also a pretty sad situation of "my employer doesn't pay me, so can you give me some money?". It's equivalent to begging IMO. I'd also argue that it's worse for the consumer. In a tipping environment, there is an excuse for bad services, the excuse being a poor tip. As opposed to a non-tipping environment where bad service is simply inexcusable. The only one who benefits from this is the employer - he gives less money to his employees. Also, it's quite sad you can't strike :? It looks as if the employer can get away with giving you a poor wage and making you work in poor conditions and can fire if you strike. It's a right that should be protected by the government, not labour unions.
next time around maybe we'd take the extra-long route to get to your house....comp_atkins
my friend mixed jalapeno juice into the tomato sauce of a pizza for a long-term non-tipper that ordered pizza every Friday at rush time... >_>[QUOTE="Famiking"] How are tips better for the employee? The tips cover up what would have been his wage, balanced out by the good, bad and average tips. It's also a pretty sad situation of "my employer doesn't pay me, so can you give me some money?". It's equivalent to begging IMO. I'd also argue that it's worse for the consumer. In a tipping environment, there is an excuse for bad services, the excuse being a poor tip. As opposed to a non-tipping environment where bad service is simply inexcusable. The only one who benefits from this is the employer - he gives less money to his employees. Also, it's quite sad you can't strike :? It looks as if the employer can get away with giving you a poor wage and making you work in poor conditions and can fire if you strike. It's a right that should be protected by the government, not labour unions. Employee: If good, will likely get much more money from tips than from a static wage. Employer: Can hire with a less discerning eye as people that get low tips due to bad service weed themselves out. Consumer: Gets better service as crappy people weed themselves out.
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] next time around maybe we'd take the extra-long route to get to your house....Jandurin
my friend mixed jalapeno juice into the tomato sauce of a pizza for a long-term non-tipper that ordered pizza every Friday at rush time... >_>[QUOTE="Famiking"] How are tips better for the employee? The tips cover up what would have been his wage, balanced out by the good, bad and average tips. It's also a pretty sad situation of "my employer doesn't pay me, so can you give me some money?". It's equivalent to begging IMO. I'd also argue that it's worse for the consumer. In a tipping environment, there is an excuse for bad services, the excuse being a poor tip. As opposed to a non-tipping environment where bad service is simply inexcusable. The only one who benefits from this is the employer - he gives less money to his employees. Also, it's quite sad you can't strike :? It looks as if the employer can get away with giving you a poor wage and making you work in poor conditions and can fire if you strike. It's a right that should be protected by the government, not labour unions. Employee: If good, will likely get much more money from tips than from a static wage. Employer: Can hire with a less discerning eye as people that get low tips due to bad service weed themselves out. Consumer: Gets better service as crappy people weed themselves out. Do you have proof that employees get more wages when they are paid from tips? Then why do waiters complain so much about... everything? This probably also means the consumer is paying more for the service then he should actually be paying - which is a con for the consumer. Consumer - Won't have to expect spit in his food or having a plate thrown at his face anytime soon. And like I said - a tipping environment gives an excuse for bad service. In a non-tipping environment the consumer wouldn't have to expect such assuming they have a supervisor. Employer - Good riddance.
[QUOTE="Famiking"]Do you have proof that employees get more wages when they are paid from tips? Then why do waiters complain so much about... everything? This probably also means the consumer is paying more for the service then he should actually be paying - which is a con for the consumer. Consumer - Won't have to expect spit in his food or having a plate thrown at his face anytime soon. And like I said - a tipping environment gives an excuse for bad service. In a non-tipping environment the consumer wouldn't have to expect such assuming they have a supervisor. Employer - Good riddance.haha, waiters that complain might just be bad waiters. I rarely complained when I was a waiter. I have never seen anyone spit in food. The employer thing is nice, because waiting is one of the few ways an non-fully educated person can make decent money. I always made great money when I was a waiter, so I rarely had need to complain at all.
[QUOTE="Famiking"] Do you have proof that employees get more wages when they are paid from tips? Then why do waiters complain so much about... everything? This probably also means the consumer is paying more for the service then he should actually be paying - which is a con for the consumer. Consumer - Won't have to expect spit in his food or having a plate thrown at his face anytime soon. And like I said - a tipping environment gives an excuse for bad service. In a non-tipping environment the consumer wouldn't have to expect such assuming they have a supervisor. Employer - Good riddance. while i was in China, I enjoyed not having to tip anyone for service. of course that's a different environment where if there is a bad waiter there are hundreds ready to take his place. This is not the case in the US. So we have the tip system to encourage the wait staff to do better than some government employee. we don't pay more because they already take tip into account by paying the waiters less than they would without that 15%
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Do you have proof that employees get more wages when they are paid from tips? Then why do waiters complain so much about... everything? This probably also means the consumer is paying more for the service then he should actually be paying - which is a con for the consumer. Consumer - Won't have to expect spit in his food or having a plate thrown at his face anytime soon. And like I said - a tipping environment gives an excuse for bad service. In a non-tipping environment the consumer wouldn't have to expect such assuming they have a supervisor. Employer - Good riddance.haha, waiters that complain might just be bad waiters. I rarely complained when I was a waiter. I have never seen anyone spit in food. The employer thing is nice, because waiting is one of the few ways an non-fully educated person can make decent money. I always made great money when I was a waiter, so I rarely had need to complain at all. Ehh, just search youtube, bunch of whining waiters calling out on bad-tippers. Either way there is no statistic showing tipped waiters get payed more than employer-payed waiters so I'm going to stand by what I originally thought.
Ehh, just search youtube, bunch of whining waiters calling out on bad-tippers. Either way there is no statistic showing tipped waiters get payed more than employer-payed waiters so I'm going to stand by what I originally thought.Famiking
I have worked at several different waiter positions and always made around 10 dollars an hour minimum. Minimum wage was around 5.50 at the time. People will whine about anything.
[QUOTE="Famiking"]Ehh, just search youtube, bunch of whining waiters calling out on bad-tippers. Either way there is no statistic showing tipped waiters get payed more than employer-payed waiters so I'm going to stand by what I originally thought.Jandurin
I have worked at several different waiter positions and always made around 10 dollars an hour minimum. Minimum wage was around 5.50 at the time. People will whine about anything. I thought ~$10 or higher was about the wage waiters get :?
[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Famiking"] Do you have proof that employees get more wages when they are paid from tips? Then why do waiters complain so much about... everything? This probably also means the consumer is paying more for the service then he should actually be paying - which is a con for the consumer. Consumer - Won't have to expect spit in his food or having a plate thrown at his face anytime soon. And like I said - a tipping environment gives an excuse for bad service. In a non-tipping environment the consumer wouldn't have to expect such assuming they have a supervisor. Employer - Good riddance. while i was in China, I enjoyed not having to tip anyone for service. of course that's a different environment where if there is a bad waiter there are hundreds ready to take his place. This is not the case in the US. So we have the tip system to encourage the wait staff to do better than some government employee. we don't pay more because they already take tip into account by paying the waiters less than they would without that 15% Well, unemployment in the US is pretty massive, there's plenty of room for more :D
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Ehh, just search youtube, bunch of whining waiters calling out on bad-tippers. Either way there is no statistic showing tipped waiters get payed more than employer-payed waiters so I'm going to stand by what I originally thought.Famiking
I have worked at several different waiter positions and always made around 10 dollars an hour minimum. Minimum wage was around 5.50 at the time. People will whine about anything. I thought ~$10 or higher was about the wage waiters get :? I don't know what that means.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I thought ~$10 or higher was about the wage waiters get :? I don't know what that means. I thought that $10+ an hour was the average wage a waiter receives. Seriously, I doubt they'd earn minimum wage, that's only $10,000 a year if you work for 2,000 hours which is already far above the national average.
I thought that $10+ an hour was the average wage a waiter receives. Seriously, I doubt they'd earn minimum wage, that's only $10,000 a year if you work for 2,000 hours which is already far above the national average.Famiking
Right... So, then, what's your point? You can't honestly be saying waiters should be making more? It's unskilled labor. If you want more money, you can use your years of experience to get a job at a more trendy restaurant where you can make more money, I guess?
[QUOTE="Famiking"]I thought that $10+ an hour was the average wage a waiter receives. Seriously, I doubt they'd earn minimum wage, that's only $10,000 a year if you work for 2,000 hours which is already far above the national average.Jandurin
Right... So, then, what's your point? You can't honestly be saying waiters should be making more? It's unskilled labor. If you want more money, you can use your years of experience to get a job at a more trendy restaurant where you can make more money, I guess? The point is - the minimum wage is not the average wage of a waiter. In many countries.
look.. in the US it is customary to tip for these services.. its that simple.. if you decide not to, that is your right but just know people will ( possibly wrongly ) assume you are a cheapskate... :wink:
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